Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX (Page 160)

Dirk, we had a guest speaker at our tri club last night and I know it was a sales pitch but she said this company makes specialty clothes for muscle recovery.  I was especially intrigued with the socks as they support the foot. She said if you have the arch problems I can't think of the term but it really helps tht problem.  here is the site www.ec3dsports.com  They also have a sock, calf sleeve you run in and then twist it and then wear it as recovery.  There thoughts were that compression for the whole muscle is not as good as compression to the sides of the muscle that engorges the muscle with blood.  They are very expensive but my wife got a pair of the sock separate from the compression calves to run in since she is running a 50K Dec. 8.  She will wear them in her practice run this Fri and see how she likes them.  The lady also said if you run 5 days per week, run in the compression 3 days and 2 days do not use the compression to run in but only for recovery.

Again I know it was sales pitch but.....  ya'll can make the call.  Just wanted to give ya'll the info.

Matt, have you been watching me swim..lol  BTW, I just found out the high schools have finished their swim meets so the pools have been opened back up.  I'll start going after Thanksgiving.

had a nice run at 4:00 am, it was 60 degrees and cloudy, just beautiful!

Karl I really appreciate that and I hope Frank (the owner) and his staff take good care of you. My last name looks a lot worse than what it sounds. It's Holewienko (hollow - winko). I'm sure if you are somewhere in the ballpark they will figure it out and I am a member of their Tri Team and in their system so they should know who I am. Are you going to get the larger flywheel as well?

michgirlsk - 2012-11-19 10:24 PM

mambos - 2012-11-19 6:35 PM Great work everyone, new bikes, drafting runs, crazy swim workouts all of you are inspiring! for me it's just another day of scraping dirt off the bottom of the pool! Last week was frustrating in the pool, no rythm, couldn't breath, barely moved everything out of sync, if it was negative I did it! Sometimes I feel the drills are overrated and just want tO doggy paddle down the pool ! main concentration has been on balance and bilateral breathing, like Tony, I have used the suggestions jonathan gave and can almost feel the correct method, almost. I think concentrating on staring at the floor to the side wall may help, only time will tell! at least I can still run!

Hey Matt, just want to say you are inspiring too!  I had read about your 7 mile run on the treadmill followed by the swim.  Well it was a couple days ago I was on the treadmill and I really didn't feel like doing much AT ALL.  But then I thought about how you did SEVEN miles on the treadmill and I was like well I can keep going!!!  I ended up making it through 50 minutes, which is good for where I'm at now!!!  I also did make it to the pool afterwards as that was planned, which was a feat as well.  I really was ready to go home, especially because this was at midnight.  It is days like these that I need to remember months from now and the times that I got my butt running or in the pool, despite severe lack of motivation!!!!

Samantha way too go! I think we all feel like this at times. I know I do and it is nice to see you be able to draw some inspiration from the group. I do this as well and it works for me. I definitely don't want to feel like a slacker when everybody else here is working hard.

Without knowing what it costs, I CAN say that it will make your riding experience more pleasant.  If the cost isn't a deterrent for you then I do recommend it.

Matt, I can see you using too much tricep, but am having a hard time imagining how the biceps can be overworked.  Can I see some video of your swim stroke?

Right!  And also on the flip side, the point I was hoping to make is not to automatically blame issues on your training but also keep looking, and make sure your Dr. keeps looking, for underlying causes rather than just assuming it's fatigue...because often it's not (well, at least in my 3 or so cases).

Hope you feel fully restored as soon as possible.

It's always possible that anything new you've introduced in your attempts to help with your PF is causing increased aggravation of the area.  It's also possible that inflammation from the origin point (by the heel) has migrated along the tissues, or within the sheath around these ligaments and this just marks a migration or spreading of the inflammation, not necessarily the injury itself.

Would you like me to send you my superfeet insoles for evaluation?

I am having the same trouble figuring out how the bicep would be engaged unless you are drawing your inner wrist toward your midline.

For instance: if you are fully extended with your left arm and you start the pull and begin to turn your left hand counter-clockwise.  Then begin a sort of "S" type of pull where you are pulling your hand toward your chest and then downward toward your belly button.  It is not a great way to explain what I am thinking about but it would cause the use of your bicep to some degree.

Even with my scenario above I can't imagine that it would fatigue your biceps in such a way that you would be sore at all.  I am with Jeff, I would need to see a video of your under water stroke to see what's going on.

A quick bit of biographical details of late.

Since our pool has been closed for maintenance going on the 2nd week, I haven't had the usual M/W/F workout of swim/run which are my 'easy' mornings.

I've been doing my T/Th workout routine each day which are my 'hard' mornings which consist of riding as hard as I can tolerate for about 1:30 and running an easy 5.

Doing that each day is really hard but in a good way.  It's been a stressor!  I had also been throwing in a 2nd run M/W evenings.  All was going fine with that but having some late nights here and there and a few nights of partial sleeplessness had me drained beyond words.  I was feeling mildly ill (mild nausea and mild headache) and had to just sleep until noon on Friday and take the day off. 

It seemed more from sleep deprivation than physical fatigue because my workouts were all just fine. 

I escaped from House Arrest on Sunday and went for a run with my daughter on the trails.  It was awesome!  I'm feeling pretty much invincible right now...just meaning that I don't have a fear of a fall messing it up like I definitely did have earlier in the process, and with my other shoulder.  It's based on how 'fragile' the shoulder feels and my shoulder doesn't feel fragile.  I am months ahead on my rehab.  Still don't want to tempt fate, but a fall while running?  super rare.

My daughter Jordan told me while running that she had been accepted to a graduate program and that she was offered a FULL RIDE for her post-grad studies!!!

This is that time of year where triathlon becomes drudgery.  There are the short days, so that all training hours seem to be dark.  There is the cold.  There is the lack of impending races.  There are a lot more indoor training sessions (in my case ALL of them). 

I know it's hard for the rest of you too.  I encourage you to seek out training partners or groups to help.  I do my indoor rides in spin classes and that makes it tolerable.  Swim practices with a team are far more motivating.  Group runs are a great way to enjoy the run and help the miles disappear.

Those of you that work during the days, if you can do a run on your lunch break it gives you a daily dose of daylight that you may otherwise never get if you work inside.

Dirk, I'll bet you nailed it.  If the initial catch is pulling inward with the bicep such that the hand is passing in front of the face it would use bicep.

Jeff congrats to your daughter that is awesome and it is even more awesome if you don't have to pay for it. Paying for any schooling is killer trust me I know. Also I think you made some great really suggestions regarding training. I am fortunate enough to work from home so I always take a long lunch as long as the schedule permits and I get my swimming in or I get a lunch time run in and take advantage of the daylight when I can.

Since I am off this week I am actually taking advantage of it and I am going to head out the door very shortly and get an outdoor bike ride in. The last time I rode the bike outdoors was during my HIM! Need a break from the trainer and it's really nice out today.

Crap!!  I keep forgetting about the superfeet.  I did purchase some of the Dr. Scholls inserts for my work boots and they have seemed to help.  (These are the "stand in the machine and be evaluated" inserts.)  They seem to have helped some but nothing major.

I also agree with what you are saying about the aggravation and inflammation.  I have tried to change a couple of things in the past couple of weeks and they may be catching up to me.  I changed slightly my running form the beginning of last week and began to allow a little more of a heel strike.  It would be closer to the way I had been running a few months ago.  I also ran, on Sunday, in my Brooks Adrenalines as an attempt to see if there was anything going on with the Newtons making anything worse. 

There are a couple of things I think I am doing right now or have done that are detrimental:

1.

The slight change mentioned above to get away from a totally mid-foot strike.  I decided to do this when I noticed that I was beginning to have more pain in my arch while running.  I considered how this might be happening by and came to the conclusion that as i land my foot would stretch slightly, expanding the arch of my foot downward and stretching the tendons and ligaments more than usual.

2.

The following week I decided to run in the shoes I had been running in for the past couple of years (Adrenalines).  I had a good run with my Newtons on Sunday over the 10 miles of trail and had a 2 mile run on Saturday with no problems.  Then after 5 miles on Sunday morning and then shopping with Lis seemed to have really thrown be backward.

I have not run since Sunday and I plan to run again for a couple of easy miles Wednesday afternoon to get my legs back before racing on Thursday morning.  After that I will assess where to go from there.  Honoestly I am getting nervous again about my training for Boston.

Jeff, congrats on your daughter. What is her major?  Glad you are getting your workouts in.

Dirk, good luck with the foot problem, keep us informed on how you treat it and the results.

My daughter's major is 'Christian Ethics'.  It's a religion degree that is heavier in philosophy than a typical theological degree.  But yes, she can read and write both Greek and Hebrew (and Russian!  but that's extracurricular).

Her graduate degree with be a Master's of Divinity.

That is so funny... I had the same question.  Just yesterday I was putting more concentration into the pull, and I was feeling like I was really working my biceps... which I don't think should be the case....

I got my first cold weather ride into but it really wasn't that bad probably around 50 and a little windy so maybe that doesn't really count. I took a ride down by the marina and the water where I normally ride. I just had to see what happened down there after the storm.

It was sad to see, while I did not see any houses destroyed outright thankfully but there were a lot of homes that suffered damage from the wind and flooding as well as the properties. Alot of fences and gardens are gone. Siding on the house just gone. One home was damaged pretty badly where the walls were gone on one side of the house. Large areas of reeds where just flattened and debris was all over the place. You can see a huge dredge in the bay. Just unbelievable.

A good portion of one of the roads I ride Riveria Dr. which is right on the water was covered in sand. It just sucks to see what happened it's such a beautiful area to ride in. You can see where the water went and it must have been pretty high in some areas. A number of very big trees are no more. they were knocked down or broken in half.

There were some picnic tables that were on the water near the marina.Tthey were taken so far from where they were I could not believe it. They were literally on the other side of the road down the block. I mean these weren't like light tables they are pretty heavy and solid. At least the restoration has started as I've seen a number of homes there being repaired. Hopefully in time it gets back to what it was but man it was very sad to see that. I know it was worse a few blocks over. I just couldn't bring myself to ride over there I saw enough.

It was another busy training day for me!  I rode the trainer for 50 minutes (Jorge's Week 6:Day 2) in the morning and I ran 6 miles (in the rain) in the evening.  I train by heart rate on the bike since I do not have a power meter.  Due to a higher average HR during the time trial last month, I've been working off of new HR Zone numbers on the bike.  I like them!  I was starting to feel like things were too easy.  Now I feel like I'm working at an appropriate level.  Yay!

Now for my question.  (I think I asked it before.  Whatever.)  I am able to hold a higher average HR on the bike than I am for running.  My current Zones for running still feel appropriate.  I thought a persons threshold HR while running should be higher than that while cycling?  What gives?

• Cycling average HR (threshold) = 172
• Running average HR (threshold) = 165

Time for one quick post before "the man" calls me to duty.

It sounds like a very unfavorable scene Tony.  The devastation must be pretty bad but what I think about are the lives that will suffer such mental anguish in the aftermath.  The homes will be rebuilt, the bay will be repaired but it's the people that will have be torn apart.  I can't imagine losing so much at one time and not knowing when I would be able to get some of it back.  And then there are the things that they will never get back, like members of their families and possessions that they held so dear.

I have seen similar devastation but not on such a massive scale.  Work has called me into some ravaged parts of our service territory and a few beyond.  Partial small towns have been wrecked by tornado's, but those things pale in the wake of Sandy's damage.

Jeff, no wonder she got a scholarship..she is SMART!!! Greek, Hebrew AND Russian, shoot I have a hard time w/ english.  Tell her the junkies said congrats!

Tony, thanks for keeping us posted on the destruction.  I hope they all have the best Thanksgiving they can. 

Matt, good luck on the swim, keep working on it!  I'm in tahe same boat with you and I hope he boat does not spring a leak because it if does, well we are in TROUBLE!

Just wanted to tell everyone HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!

Tracy I can't answer the HR question but man you are a trooper! I can't ever bring myself to go out and run in the rain during the day much less do it in the evening. It sounds like you had a really good workout yesterday.