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2011-10-03 7:33 PM
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GENE -

Nope! Different victim each day!

I think this is the first time I have done two races each on consecutive weekends, and don't think I will do it again. I have done several "doubles" on weekends, and it is always a unique learning expereince --- how to pace, how to fuel, how to recover, how to avoid letdowns; there are probably a few more.

In the past I have done:
Musselman -- sprint Sat, half-iron Sun
Fronhofer Tool -- oly Sat a.m., sprint sat p.m.
Lakeside -- sprint Sat., sprint/oly hybrid Sun.
Toronto Islands du Sat., 1000 Islands sprint Sun.
Chicago "Triple Challenge" -- super-sprint Sat a.m., then sprint at 6 a.m. Sun., followed by oly at 9:30
Nickel City -- oly Sat, sprint Sun

I much prefer something like Nickel City, where the longer race is one the first day. The other way, it is potentially too easy to go too hard in the shorter race, and then have not quite enough left for the longer one on the second day.

The Fronhofer one was unique, allowing about four hours between the end of the oly to re-fuel and get ready for the sprint. And even though the sprint was the easier bike course, my average mph was lower than for the oly -- guess I didn't re-fuel well enough!

Chicago was hard, going from the sprint to the oly with little downtime. The super-sprint the day before was nothing, but Sunday was kind of tough.5
And then there is Triple-T, which has a "Prologue" on Friday evening that takes about 20 minutes to do, then an oly Sat a.m., then at 3 p.m. a second oly, only in bike/swim/run order, and then on Sunday a half-iron --- and all of these on wicked hilly terrain in southern Ohio! I have NOT done Triple T, but at some time would like to -- if my body could handle that training, which is a huge qusetion mark. So....I don't think I will do it. (However, there is a second TTT, this one in flat country in NC in October; same format, though).

If curious, go to www.americantriplet.com.




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ALEX -

How're ya doin'? Is the jaw/tooth any better?

It was okay there yesterday. A bit chilly in the morning, but part of thr problem for me was that I stayed in the tent in the campground --- I was quite cold setting up my stuff, retreating frequently to the heater in the car!

I wore toe warmers on my cleats, and that saved my feet. I had my arm warmers on my aerobars, but never used them. Beyond that it was just my regular race clothes, and I left on the bike dripping from the swim, to no ill effect.

The water was warmer than the air, which worked well at 8:30!

Some wind on the bike, especially the first half; actually, a fair bit of wind.

Anything else you are hoping to squeeeeeeze in? As for me -- i'm done for 2011!


2011-10-04 6:18 AM
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DAVID -

You conquered Pinehurst ---- and now you know why it has the reputation it has! I was torn last week between telling you everything I've heard, or just enough so that you didn't go into expecting anything at all easy. I opted for a bit more than the latter, and from looking at your results it seems that you did well with the hills -- and woulda done better had you not had the bottle incident.

A general rul;e of thumb is to attend to what is essential to your race day success, with it always in mind that you don't want to pass on dong soemthing that will take 2 minutes to fix if not doing so might cost you 20 minutes further along. Nutrition certainly counts in that category, so if one only has one bottle of energy drink on the bike, and they fumble it and it falls to the ground, then they had better go back and fetch it so that they don't have nutritional problems later. But SEVEN minutes trying to "reattach" it....I'm trying to picture what exactly fell off!

Yes, yes, yes.........hearing people zoom past is an awful feeling. I've had a few over the years, with the worst being about 18 minutes at Columbia '05, wrestling with a flat. And then it was about 9 minutes at West Point '10, and that was worse because it was one of my "A" races. Grrr!

As for your run, though, you clobbered that one-hour barrier!! I wonder how much of that was anger/repentence for the aerobottle. I sure had fiery runs at those two races just mentioned, and I'm thinking that might've contributed to your run success at Pinehurst. But even without that fire under you from the aerobottle incident, you would've bested one hour easily.

And more impressive, as I think you can now realize, is that you did it coming off of a tough and over-long bike --- not rreally too conducive to scintillating run times!

Looking forward to a fuller report, and.....was this the last race of the season for you?

CONGRATS!!!



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Good Morning Everyone,

I hope you all have a great tuesday.  I want to thank everyone for their input on the half marathon plan, it looks like I will go with the Higdon one.

Steve -Awesome job on the back to back.  Heck I just had a sprint on Sat and I still feel tired from it so I dont know how you did it.

Gene - Great new profile Pic, I think you also did a back to back and then 1 week later did another one??? Man yall are like 8 year old kids In a candy store, where do yall get your energy from.

David - Awesome job on your race and congrats on the 10k time.

Alex - I hope your jaw feels better and it does not lead to a root canal.  I had a mouth issue about 1 year ago and I was on pain pills for 1 week.  I ended up seeing 3 different dentist before the 3rd one said I needed a root canal.  The 1st dentist gave me a crown, so that was a waste of time, money and pain.  Good luck and I hope you will be sinking your teeth back into a big juicy thick hamburger with all the fixins.   YUMMMMMMM

Johanne - Hows the bird building (sorry I forgot what its called).  Man my kids would love one like yours.  Are the birds tame enough that when you go in there with some food that they fly to you?  Me and the family went to the Birmingham AL zoo last year and they had one that you would walk into with some sweet liquid in a cup and they would fly and land on you to feed them.  The kids loved it and it was pretty cool.

Jeff - I bet you are starting to like some of this cooler weather we are getting down in the South.  Maybe next year we can find a race somewhere in the middle where we can do and meet up.

Ellen - If I can save the money up, I would love to bring the family up to DC next year for Nations.  I was really looking forward to that race.  I need to put a Nations Jar out on my counter and start dropping $ into it for the race.  That would be cool to go up there and if Steve does it again we can all get together. That would really be fun.

Hey that is an idea, lets make it a group race event.  All the Mojo's start saving $ and we will meet once a year at a race for a group together.  Johanne, you can bring the horses and we all can go riding around DC on them. 

Well gotta go wake my little angel up for school.  I hope everyone has a great day.

 

2011-10-04 8:52 AM
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But SEVEN minutes trying to "reattach" it....I'm trying to picture what exactly fell off!

As for your run, though, you clobbered that one-hour barrier!! I wonder how much of that was anger/repentence for the aerobottle. I sure had fiery runs at those two races just mentioned, and I'm thinking that might've contributed to your run success at Pinehurst. But even without that fire under you from the aerobottle incident, you would've bested one hour easily.

And more impressive, as I think you can now realize, is that you did it coming off of a tough and over-long bike --- not rreally too conducive to scintillating run times!

Looking forward to a fuller report, and.....was this the last race of the season for you?

Steve,
Still recovering and haven't got to my report yet...but hopefully I will have some time today. The 7 minutes seemed like 30 minutes to me. I had just purchased a Profile Design Aerobottle on Friday, and put it on Friday night (probably not the best idea). Apparently during the first 10 miles or so, the velcro strap that goes in the front of the bottle came loose. I'm not sure how, but maybe some of the rough road conditions jarred it loose. I noticed it, but kept an eye on it as I was riding. Then the nasty bridge came up on me (at the bottom of a long downhill) and I couldn't react quick enough to hold it in place and poof it was gone. Part of the time was running back to pick it up while dodging other cyclists, the rest of the time was trying to feed this tiny velcro strap through 2 small holes while my hands were shaking due to being a little chilly and a lot pissed off. The bottle came with additional velcro tabs that I could have used to secure the bottle more, but I took a shortcut and payed in the long run....lesson learned!


I did run with a vengeance due to the aerobottle issue, but really what kept me in the race was spotting 2 people in my AG and literally running on their heels for the first 4 miles. After mile 4 I decided to make a move and I never saw them again...that felt good!!!

That was the last Tri of the season....slowly working my way into my Half-Marathon training for my race in Nov. After that I am really going to focus on strength/core training this off-season in hopes that helps my swim times a little bit.

Congrats on your 2 races by the way....my wife was joking with me after the race and said "You can do the sprint tomorrow if you want"...I told her...."I am no Super-Steve yet"....and proceeded to tell her about your past month of racing...needless to say she was impressed...as am I!

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George,

The aviary is good. I started with 3 doves (thinking they were all girls) and then had 2 babies. After sending what I thought was the boy back to my friends house, I had 2 more babies. They just came out of the nest. Now, the nest and any eggs they lay are coming out. Doves are like mice and I'll be overrun!

I have a pair of finches that are laying on eggs but it's late in the year and the female is really young so I think they might not be good. 

They won't come and sit on my hand but they do all look at me when i go out there to see if I'm bringing treats

 

Everyone seems to be winding down with training. I still have another HIM in 2 1/2 weeks so I'm still plugging away. I signed up for another marathon in February so my official training for that starts this week. I'll adjust it for the next few weeks until after the tri. I'm hoping that a years worth of fitness might make this marathon a little better for me. We'll see.

We took my youngest to Vegas for her 21st birthday last weekend. It was tons of fun, went to an Ice Bar and a show and walked through a lot of the casinos. I can do Vegas for a couple of days then I have to get out of there! I'll try to attach a pix. If it comes up, she's on the right. My kids have all grown up now!





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gdsemiller - 2011-10-04 6:19 AM

Jeff - I bet you are starting to like some of this cooler weather we are getting down in the South.  Maybe next year we can find a race somewhere in the middle where we can do and meet up.

The weather is a blessing for sure, October and Early November is the best time of year in Texas IMO, we still had a couple of 100+ days in late September but those are easy to take when it doesn't go on for weeks and weeks!

So a  Louisiana or Mississippi race? Interesting

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GEORGE -

I was fine until today, and I'm now feeling very weary. It might be a couple of nights of poor sleeps, or the two races, or the long drive, or a composite of the past four weeks -- drive to VA and DC (10 hours each way), for Nations on 9/11, and then the 24/25 for the two in Buffalo (5+ hours each way), and then to NJ (9+ hours each way) and back this past weekend. Remarkably, though, I have no muscle soreness at all, and didn't last weekend after the Buffalo events. I thought I might swim and run today.....but will likely do neither; I think I need this as a rest day, too!

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DAVID -

Okay, NOW I an picture what happened. I ahve learned over the years to attach things to their max, just because my clutziness with tools makes it problematic how well they are put together by me at the outset. That's not to say that I learn my lessons to perfection, and so I generally feel I can expect some problem at any time!

At some point, just try two on a weekend. As I said the Gene above, there are lots of things to be learned by doing that kind of silliness. One thing I forgot to mention to him was that it makes you work under a certain amount of duress, which is good for whenever you might want to "go long" (HIM or IM). It's not exact, of course, but it can work at teaching you how to extend yourself a bit further than normal. And, usually, two smaller events are less expensive than one long event; most half-irons nowadays are over $200!




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JOHANNE -

SOMA! I forgot about SOMA! It is very cool that you are doing that, and I'm really interested in your view of it. It might be in about its 8th year now, and it was there before IMAZ, and for a couple of years in my manic-driving days I thought about hauling myself out there for it. But that was then, and this is now, and I doubt I will ever do it. So, I will live it vicariously through you!!

Winding down with training is about where I am at, too. After last tri season I did a 10km and a half-marathon and thought about doing several more road races, but the H-M messed up a bunion AND got my neuromas going, so I am hesitant to get agressive with straight running races.

Right now I am "at peace" with the season being over, just because it has been so race-full since 9/11. But i think before lonmg I will hanked for another......and there is a half-iron in NC on Oct 29 that is subtly beckoning me. I think I can rebuff its advances.....but I am historically weak in the face of race temptation!

Now family photo!!!!







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stevebradley - 2011-10-04 10:58 AM JOANNE - SOMA! I forgot about SOMA! It is very cool that you are doing that, and I'm really interested in your view of it. It might be in about its 8th year now, and it was there before IMAZ, and for a couple of years in my manic-driving days I thought about hauling myself out there for it. But that was then, and this is now, and I doubt I will ever do it. So, I will live it vicariously through you!! Winding down with training is about where I am at, too. After last tri season I did a 10km and a half-marathon and thought about doing several more road races, but the H-M messed up a bunion AND got my neuromas going, so I am hesitant to get agressive with straight running races. Right now I am "at peace" with the season being over, just because it has been so race-full since 9/11. But i think before lonmg I will hanked for another......and there is a half-iron in NC on Oct 29 that is subtly beckoning me. I think I can rebuff its advances.....but I am historically weak in the face of race temptation! Now family photo!!!!

SOMA is part of my grand plan for this year and next I did an Oly in Tempe last May and now SOMA. I'm already familiar with the area since my daughter went to ASU. This was/is all to get more comfortable on parts of the course so if I pull the trigger and sign up for IMAZ it won't be quite so scary!

It's supposed to be a really nice race with good support. I'll keep you posted.

Off season is tricky, isn't it? I think by the end of the season our bodies are tired and prone to injuries. Off season seems to be the time to work on weak areas which kind of makes it a season in itself

Would you have to put in a lot of extra time to be ready for a HIM or do you keep yourself pretty fit for that distance? Are there any races in Canada? You're always traveling

Question for you all:

I'm finishing up my HIM training plan and this week starts my marathon plan for a early February race. I'll make some adjustments for the next 3 weeks and then follow the run plan as closely as my body lets me. I also want to keep my bike/swim fitness up and work on specifics so I was planning on 3 days a week on the bike and 3 in the pool. What do you think? Reasonable? Too much?



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STEVE

Had to have my tooth extracted Monday afternoon.  not a lot of fun!  It is probably a really good thing I didn't push to go down to NJ and race.  I have been nursing it along for a week or so which was a mistake.  

In terms of racing, I am only planning a sprint in Florida the first weekend in December.  My friend down there has picked one in Miami that she wants to do.  Other than that I am focusing on my off season planning and what my focus should be.  

Sounds like your races went well.  great job!  

Once I get more focused on what my off season plan will be I will start posting questions for the group!

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What are this group's and our mentor's thoughts on a 2nd marathon 4 weeks after my first?
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JOHANNE -

Yes, very tricky. I generally don't give myself enough time off, but this year with Yoga in my life, it should be easier.

Yes also to it being its own season -- which is especially true if someone is following a fairly rigorous Periodized plan. I used to do that more than in recent years, with the shift now to being just keeping in race-approximate shape. What exactly does that mean? I HAVE NO CLUE!!

Seriously, it is just a feeling that I am working my way back to being ready to race, and there really is no structure to it. I wopuld NOT recommend it for anyone else, although no doubt others could do well with it. But it is probably too wishy-washy for most people, especially those who are relatively new to multisport.

But like with technology....I wonder how much better I could be if I used the available tools (Garmin, HRM, power meters) or used the available "science-based" training protocols. I try not to think about those too often, and it helps me some to feel I had one of my best seasons ever, and that in the face of very scattered training. My five September races were all good performances, and at some point I will sit down and figure out how relatively little cycling and running I did leading up to those races. I think it will show that heavy-duty training is not an absolute necessity, and if so...............

Last year I did my only HIM of the season two weeks after West Point, and that itself was a week after an oly and a sprint, both on a Saturday. So those latter two were on Aug. 7, West Point was on Aug 15, and the HIM was on Aug 29. I was in peak form for the two on the 7th and the one on the 15th ---- but that was peak form for the shorter stuff. In hindsight, I did not do the bigger miles I might've benefitted from leading into Vermont Half, and paid some on the bike and run. I finished in 5:18, so I was able to do it reasonably well, so I guess you could say I am mostly in good enough shape for half-irons.

HOWEVER, my regular training does not get me in peak form for a HIM, and experience and decent shape will carry me only so far. I think I took a cavalier attitude towards Vermont Half, and I wouldn't want to make that mistake again. It is arrogant at best, and downright foolish at worst.

Finally, yes, there are races in Canada. But I kind of live to do the USAT Rankings "game", which is why there are so many -- most -- of my races in the U.S. The thing about the ones up here is that the local series provids only three splits, and that just rankles me. It is usually swim+T1, and bike, and T2+run. The other ay is zwim, and T1/bikeT2, and run. Either way, it is impossible to see how you truly placed against anyone else, other than for the "pure" time possibilities in those two scenarios.

There are two other big races series in Ontario, but both are centered out of Toronto, which is at least five hours a way, and most of the races in those series are further west or north of Toronto. So, I can either drive 5-7 hours each way for those, or drive a bit less to do ones in northern New York. Of course, crossing the border is almost always worth a delay or hassle or two.

Onwards!




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JOHANNE again -

As for your training question......

You should have a pretty big gap between where you'll be after Soma and where you need to be for the February marathon. That is, you will have hit the 13-mile point in training for Soma, and then still have four months or 16+ weeks to ramp that up to whatever your plan calls for -- 22 or 23 miles?

It's good to have downtime after Soma, so the fact that the marathon won't be for a while is fortuitous. That might be a good time to put an exclamation mark or two on cycling for the season, with the thought that cycling might best be reduced during the marathon training. I foyu do cycle, though, technique work might be best, and that could include, cadence, one-legged drills, eliminating rough or uneven spots in your pedaling. I wouldn't advocate doing any long rides, or anything else that would work on your legs too much.

As for swimming, did you see what i said to Jeff a week or two ago? If not, it was pretty simple -- avoid too much kicking, especially as your run vol,ume increases. I would go with the pull buoy for most swims for two reasons: (1) so you don't tax your legs, and (2) so you build some shoulder/upper-arm strength. The later is important because during a marathon, it can often be the arms that get gassed the soonest. That's why you see a lot of marathoners with their arms way low, or even dangling at their sides -- they just can't be held up and continue pumping any more.

You mention 3 and 3, and I would mildly suggest 2 bike and 3 swim.....and an upper-body lifting session, if you can swing it. I would steer away from leg work in the weight room, just for the same reasons above -- you don't need to add too much of a work load to legs that are already working veruy hard for however many days/miles a week your plan calls for.

Whadaya think?




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ALEX -

No. no fun at all. I have a mouthful of gaps where teeth used to be, and my entire denatl histroy has been prety lurid. I could regale you with some tales, to be sure!

Before I discovered and completed Clam Man, I gave some thought to races in Florida in Nov. and Dec. So, I will be very interested in how the one you do turns out.

You've had a very ambitious and successful season so far, and I hope you don't feel too bad about missing Bassman. (Well, I missed seeing you there, and if you want you can feel bad about that............ KIDDING!!!!!!)




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JEFF -

It's doable, but you need to make some decisions first. These involve how competitive you want to be, and if one of the two is more important to you than the other.

It will work best if the first one (White Rock, right?) is the most important, simply becasue you can't tell how your recover between the two will go. In an ideal world you could use the first as a tune-up for the second, but marathon trainin g and racing rarely follows an ideal, so you can't count on that at all.

If the second is the most important one, however, you have to decide that White Rock will not be an all-out effort. Another way to say that is that you need to make sure that you don't leave most of yourself on the White Rock course, with not near enough to bring to the second race.

If White Work is top priority, however, then you have options for the second one: cruising it is one, giving it your best shot (but rwdy to adapt as necessary!!) is the other. Either of those will aloow some learning to happen, and that will hepl you a ton if you are eyeing other marathons.

I think I have done 6 stand-alone marathons, and only two of them were kind of close. That would be Quebec City and Columbus, with the former in August (?) and the latter in mid-November. That was in my second year of serious running (pre-triathlon days), and while I can't remember details, i can tell you that Q.C. was fairly tough, and that Columbus was surprisingly tougher, given it being an easier course. I wish I could tell you that I know for a fact that I found the training for the two of them, that close together (~three months), top be a strain.....but I can't recollect that so specifically.

What I CAN tell you is that I came out of Columbus with a sore right calf that proved itself, about six weeks later, to be a tibial stress fracture, and I attribute that to the heavier training I was doing for those two marathons. HOWEVER, many people knock off very big training for multiple marathons and never get a stress fracture, so I'm not trying to scare you -- just letting you know how it affected me, is all.

So, which one is the first, and which is the second??



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White Rock is first The New years day marathon is second, they also have a half and 5k New Years Eve and new Years day-conceivably I could do a Marathon on the 31st and 1st I wont do that.

http://www.newyearsdouble.com/

I think White Rock will be the priority since it will be my first, let the NYD run be for fun and to support relatively local races

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GANG!

Following this post will be my race report for Bassman. This was on Sunday, the dat after Clam Man. I wrote that report and posted it to my other actibve group, BigSkies, in the Beginner Mentor Group section. It's on page 63 there, if you want to read the more immediate pre-Bassman history!


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RACE REPORT -- Bassman (Lake Absegemi, NJ), Sunday Oct. 2

Following the laong fdrive to Clam Man, getting to Bassman was a walk in the park - just 30 miles or so further south on the Graden State Parkway. Seeing as how Clam ended so early, I had a huge swack of time to kill, and spent about three hours just browsing in thr Barnes and Noble in Brick, NJ. I left about 1:30 to head down to the Pine Barrens, where Bassman is held. I got a campsite in the park, about 3/4 mile from transition, picked up my race stuff, and then headed down to Absecon, near Atlantic City, where I had a chicken breast and rice and cole slaw at a Denny's. Then it was back to the campsite, and with nothing much to do I was alseep by about 8:45. Transition didn't open until 6, so I didn't get up until 5:20 -- what a decent sleep, overall!

I have history with Bassman. I did the half-iron in its first year '07, and suffered on the run. It was hot, and around the halfway point I was sure I was going to be sick -- enough so that I ducked into the bushes and spent a minute or two dry-heaving. I had no stoamch for anything further, so the rest of the run was a big struggle. The at the international in '09, I got too focused on besting a drafting pack that kept passing me, and then I would pass them.....and not even thinking I was pretty taxed by the time the run begun. The upshot of this was that, on a 4.2 (maybe 4.1) mile run, I walked a couple of times! My run time was cruddy, and so part of doing Bassie this year was to find sweet retribution on the run course.

It was a cold morning, and I had nothing hot to drink -- just chcolate milk and some PowerAde Perform. Ate a cold bagel and part of a Clif Mojo bar. Had a gel about 20 minutes before the swim. I couldn't find my big baggie full of little baggies of HEED, so I resoprted to a Gu Brew that I had never tried before. I wondered if I mixed it too strongly, but a little sip at 7:30 suggested that it was okay. I hung around until we massed at the beach for the 8:30 start (sprint had started an hour earlier, or maybe 90 minutes earlier).

SWIM (0.5 mile)
Straightforward, a half-mile going clockwise. I was doing well until the final leg back to shore, which was directly into the sun. I think most people navigated this okay; I didn't. I firts went too far to the run, then over-corrected too far to the left. Damn! The swim also included a 150/200-yard run to transition, and I covered that well.
17:08
40/125

T1
Pretty good, no serious complaints
1:12
15th

BIKE (29 miles)
Mostly flat, mostly good roads. I was in the second wave, so had the fish in my wave and the women in the first wave to try to reel in. The most notable thing about the ride was that, like in Nation's, I had the good sense to back off a bit on the final couple of miles. This may have lost me a minute of time, overall. The next most notable thing was that my drink was mixed way too strong, and after the first swig I couldn't handle it. So, I relied on water and two gels to get me through the bike and primed for the run. The first was about mile 8, the second was maybe mile 26. The gel used at the seocnd one was a Gu Roctane, cherry-lime, and that set very well with me. I wouldn't hesiate to use that again, but shhould add that I have used Gu Roctane in other years.
1:20:23
17th
21.6 mph

T2
Okay, could be better.
1:05
52nd

RUN (4.2 - maybe 4.15? - miles)
Odd course, mostly on park roads but about a mile on a sandy trail through the pine woods. There are a few small rises on this course, with a couple being enough to make one to think. I felt good from the start, and as I hit about 1.5 miles I really started to click. My cadence was great. and I felt that redemption was indeed mine. In the final mile I was passed by two guys, 34 and 33, and a 25-year old woman. It was good that they did this, because they gave me something to chase (even though all three kept pulling away from me). I finished strong, and was pleased to break 29 minutes.
28:45
29th
6:50 or 6:55 per mile (depending on whether it was 4.2 miles or 4.15)

2:08:31
22/125 overall
1/2 M60-64


Further thoughts:
-- Smart move to dial it back at the end of the bike. My two best runs this season came when I did this.
-- With the end of the season soon to be met, i had no reason to baby myself on the run; so, it was all-out (by my standards, anyhow). VERY sweet to finally have a good run at a Bassman race!
-- I was mostly fine for this race, considering having done Clam Man the day before. There were a couple of times I felt my legs didn't have much "snap" on the bike, but that passed with a bit of creative gearing.
-- The biggest problem was getting psyched for the second time on the weekend, which kind of logically followed having also done two races the previous weekend.
-- I survived some bad nutrition situations; whew!!
-- Awards were a bit slow happening, and I didn't leave until about 12:30. Harumph.
-- Good race to finish the weekend with -- and the season, for that matter!











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stevebradley - 2011-10-05 5:19 PM JOHANNE again - As for your training question...... You should have a pretty big gap between where you'll be after Soma and where you need to be for the February marathon. That is, you will have hit the 13-mile point in training for Soma, and then still have four months or 16+ weeks to ramp that up to whatever your plan calls for -- 22 or 23 miles? It's good to have downtime after Soma, so the fact that the marathon won't be for a while is fortuitous. That might be a good time to put an exclamation mark or two on cycling for the season, with the thought that cycling might best be reduced during the marathon training. I foyu do cycle, though, technique work might be best, and that could include, cadence, one-legged drills, eliminating rough or uneven spots in your pedaling. I wouldn't advocate doing any long rides, or anything else that would work on your legs too much. As for swimming, did you see what i said to Jeff a week or two ago? If not, it was pretty simple -- avoid too much kicking, especially as your run vol,ume increases. I would go with the pull buoy for most swims for two reasons: (1) so you don't tax your legs, and (2) so you build some shoulder/upper-arm strength. The later is important because during a marathon, it can often be the arms that get gassed the soonest. That's why you see a lot of marathoners with their arms way low, or even dangling at their sides -- they just can't be held up and continue pumping any more. You mention 3 and 3, and I would mildly suggest 2 bike and 3 swim.....and an upper-body lifting session, if you can swing it. I would steer away from leg work in the weight room, just for the same reasons above -- you don't need to add too much of a work load to legs that are already working veruy hard for however many days/miles a week your plan calls for. Whadaya think?

Steve,

My marathon plan has 2-20 mile runs in the last few weeks. I think the timing of being 1/2M ready in October and getting myself full M ready by early February should work well. I really want to work on staying healthy for this one. I didn't 'break' anything last time but it took many visits to the chiro to keep me moving

I agree with the bike advice. It would help me a bunch to work on some specific bike stuff which shouldn't take as much time as the long rides. 

I want to keep up the swimming because it helps me so much in recovery and I feel a huge difference in my swim when I get in the pool consistently. Go figure!

Strength training is getting back on the calendar after SOMA. I was doing pretty good last off season and if I'm going to do an IM next year I'll need it

Thanks for the advice!

I had a great swim this morning, 3000 yds! It's been a good training week but I'll be ready for my taper coming up.



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Hello Everyone,

Steve - Man you sure can rock it on your race. You ran a sub 7min mile on your race and that is after biking 28 miles. Man I want to grow up to be like you.

Johanne- Good luck on your HIM on 10/23, the way you have been training it will be a cake walk.  Nice family photo.

Alex - Sorry about the tooth, so was it to bad to do a canal.  If I could have it all back on my root canal, I would have had them just yank the darn thing out, because it turned out the tooth that I had to have the root canal on also has a crack and he said one day I will need to get it pulled, but we did not know about that until the canal was completed.

Is there anyone racing this weekend? I think most of us are pretty much finished with tri races until next year.  My Tri group that I joined does an indoor Ironman, so I guess I will be an IM pretty soon, I hope.  I think they are looking at doing it in Feb.  What I know so far is you have 1 week to put in the full IM distance and your times have to be turned in.  The only ones that will count are the ones that got the distance.  So I guess I will be biking and swimming indoors for 1 week and taking the running outside if its held in Feb.  They are going to give trophys out also.  We have our meeting on Monday so I hope to find more about it. 

Well I hope everyone has a great evening and a great weekend



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Mimi and I are volunteering at the Cooper Fall Out Sprint Triathlon Saturday morning. I have a 15 mile run planned Sunday
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JOHANNE -

With your plan finishing off with 20-milers, you're practically at spittin' distance from it right now! Thar really should help make the training relatively ache-free, given how long you have to ramp up the mileage. Nice!

Excellent swim,, too. I have enjoyed my first post-season, doing six Yoga classes since Monday (two yesterday), and a 48-minute run yesterday and a 28-minute swim today. the swim was maybe my last OWS of the year, as the water was 62 degrees and I have no geood reason to subject myself to cold. That said, tomorrow and Sunday will be in the 70s, and if the water can nudge up a degree or two.....I might give it onnnnne more shot!





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GEORGE -

Thank you! Those were two very good weekends for me, and I'm surprised at how well I managed to string those four races together like that. I think as I said in the Bassman report, it really did seem pretty easy, given I went all-out on the sprint the day before. I don't know if I said this imn the report, but i had a huge sleep in the tent the night before Bassman, and maybe that helped more than I might think. I am a chronically poor sleeper, so maybe if I could just manage good sleeps the night before a race.......

Actually, I have heard from several different soursces that the key sleep is the one two nights before a race, that is, Friday night for a Sunday morning race. That's the one I usually aim for, especially since I am almost assured of sleeping poorly the night before. I have this compulsion to be at every race right when transition opens, and that usually entails a wake-up in the 3:30-4:15 range. Bassman as extra good because not only was my tent site just about a mile from transition, but transitoion didn't open until 6:15. I got there at 6, but still -- didn't wake up until 5:20!!!!!!

I don't remember if I mentioned this, but the Clam Man report is over at the BigSkies site in the beginner mentor section. I still haven't done either of the two from Nickel City the weekend before.

That IM idea is pretty neat! Just so I have it straight, within the span of a week each aspirant has to swim 2.4 miles, bike 112, and run 26.2. Are you able to take some time off work to help fit things in? Thes wim should be easy, 2 or 3 sessions. The bime could be done as two long ones on a weekend, and then the run becomes a matter of a series of four or five or six 4-6 miles runs. Intriguing!!

Finally, I really think the season is over for me. My last tri last year was on Sept 25, and then I did two stand-alone running races, a 10km on about Oct 16 and then a half-marathon on Oct 23. I have a wee urge to do the half-mar again, but i think i'm best to avoid it. It's amazing that i manged to piece toghether the season i had, given a few setbacks along the way, and I should probably just pack it in now and start some good off-season recovering. Ya think?



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