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2008-05-05 6:50 PM
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Hey guys Thanks Bryan, Mav, Peter for the kind words. It's nice to be missed. Life away from fitness got a hold of me last week and wouldn't let go. Plus, I have to admit, I feel a bit out-classed here these days. I can't really relate to you guys anymore. My goal is simply to survive a teeny tiny beginner triathlon.  And I don't have the money to invest in the sport the way I'd like to.    But please know that I admire the heck outta you guys! You are all amazing!

I'd like to submit a question for Annie: I have problems with my toes and the front half of my feet going numb after I've been on the bike for about 6 or 7 miles. I thought the problem was specific to the biking motion only (it happens on my Trek and on the stationary bike), but I recently discovered the same problem on the elliptical machine. I added elliptical workouts last week, because my left knee is bothering me a little and I wanted to substitute a lower impact cardio for running to make sure the knee would be ok. (The knee started bothering me when I increased resistance on the stationary bike to over 12 for longer then 5 or 10 minutes. But it feels ok when I stop peddling.)

Back to the numbness... I've loosened shoe strings almost to the point where my heel slides in the shoe, but it hasn't helped. I don't use clipless pedals/shoes and really don't want to at this point. But if that is the problem, I'll sure re-consider. I really appreciate the oportunity to ask the question! Thanks!

So good to read everyones posts! WTG, y'all.          sTRIving on



2008-05-05 7:31 PM
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Hey Dan and Juanita - great to have you both back and posting!!

Juanita - what's with the comments about being "outclassed" ??? That surely doesn't apply in this group - aren't you the one who swims 100 miles at a time while others of us (like me !!) struggle to stay afloat for 500m ??? And last I understood, we're all trying to survive or first tri's - "upright and smiling" at the finish line is my goal. So, enough of that "I can't relate to you guys" crap. I won't hear of it !!!

Not sure if I passed along news last week that my daughter got her marks for 1st year and she exceeded what was necessary to retain her tuition scholarship - yippee. Here in Canada tuition is very inexpensive by comparison to many US colleges - about $6000 per year -  but its still nice not to have to worry about funding it!! Of course there's still books, residence, etc. so I'm not off scott free. Another bit of good news is that she got a summer job offer and started today. Full time working as a customer service rep at a local equivalent to Home Depot.

Didn't get any sort of workout in today due to a meeting that ran way over time. Probably OK though as I should be trying to rest this week in advance of the "Half Mary" on Sunday.

 Ooh, and the 2 sets of bike name stickers arrived today so I am heading down to the garage to  "pimp my ride". I'll try to post a pic. Don't tell Mrs FBP that I expect to order a couple more sets - she already thinks I'm wacky for what I've done so far.

Dan - I wonder two things about your calf/heel problems - a) are you in the right category of shoe (stability, motion control, neutral) and/or b) do you need an orthotic or heel wedge or something. I wouldn't think that the move from TM to outdoors should cause such a problem. As for your bike, I am really happy with the entry level road bike that I decided upon (Trek 1000) and I'm glad that I didn't go hog wild (not that our financial resources would've made it possible) on super duper machine. I would rather wait for the day when I can both afford and justify being on a tri-specific bike for example. I must say too, I sometimes chuckle at the folks who show up at 5k fun runs, obviously new to the sport yet they are tricked out with $400 Garmins, all the best of this and that. I love the fact that they are there and keen but in my mind better to work into things rather than blow the bank early on.

That's it for now, off to spend a few minutes with Seb ...

FBP

2008-05-05 9:02 PM
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Juanita , Juanita , Juanita....WE ALL MISSED YOU>>>DONT GO FOR THAT LONG AGAIN.

If I've said it once I've said it a hundred times...We all have to start somewhere. Remember when you couldn't run and then recently run 2 miles without stopping. HUGE MILESTONE...HUGE. Do you think I got up off the couch after smoking my last cig and ran 5 miles???? It took me over a year to get to 2-3 miles without wanting to die. You are not outclassed, thats just ridiculous. You are new to the sport and we are here to support eachother. We missed your witty humor...it wasn't the same.SO just show up , O.K.???????? Besides I cannot be the only female here it's gotta be more balanced than that in the group.

And Dan when you do get your bike I am sure the colors that you get will be picked carefully for speed.

Funny story.... I'm out biking, and young guys in truck honk at my butt... wish I could have seen their faces when they turn and realized I am probably older than their mothers!!! I consider it an ego boost from the sport LOL!!!!!

Bryan I am going to try to make it tommorow nite but I am co-hosting a baby shower for a friend from work and I'm not sure I'll be done in time . I will post some questions tommorow2 am in case I cant make it back

I REALLY appreciate this group. I'd be lost without you all! Thanks
2008-05-05 9:12 PM
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PS Dan your swimming has really improved....thats what you were doing while you were gone from the group!
2008-05-06 5:01 AM
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mav - OK so they were honking at your butt ... for good or for bad ? (LOL) ....

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2008-05-06 6:20 AM
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Very funny FBP... after I wrote that I knew there would be some backlash. Thats why I need Juanita!!!!

Questions for Annie in case I dont make it tonight
1. I am having a very hard time exhaling while swimming in the open (pretty cold 55 degree water). It seems to be instictive to hold your breath while your face is in the water. I dont have this problem in the pool at all. Any suggestions/ drills?

2. I get terrible cramps , mostlly in my right foot, although sometimes in my left, when swimming with fins. I've tried blue zoomers as well as the lighter blue and orange fins. I have tried socks, no socks, eating increased potassium... nothing seems to help. I usually abandon them half way through my masters class. Do you have any suggestions/ ideas???

3. I am doing my first olymic distance in June (mooseman in NH). Water temps are likely to be pretty cold. Typically I dont eat during sprints or 10ks. Just a little water and I am fine. Any suggestions about nutrition on this type of route? I understand there are alot of hills on the bike and run. I am 5'10" and 146 lbs.. I just dont want to run out of steam. I hydrate well several days before the race and I typically eat 2000 cal/ day.

Thanks so much for helping us turtles!
Marianne


2008-05-06 9:39 AM
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Like Juanita, I too have been sensing that the front part of my foot is getting numb during rides - I'm wondering whether I might be "grabbing" with my toes inside my cycling shoes because I'm pretty confident that it's not that the shoes are too small or the straps too tight.

Also, like mav, I find that cramping in my feet often happens during swim sessions.

Now, for your viewing pleasure, a couple of pics of my ride:

 

 

 

Peter



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2008-05-06 4:29 PM
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Well it is truly good to be back. Thank you for all the kind words.

Juanita - I have found you to be a true inspiration for my swimming over these last few months. Your encouragement has truly helped me. I am doing my first ever outdoor tri in June and my second in August, so we are in the same boat!!!!!!! I appreciate your posts and hope you keep coming back.

I will not be able to be on the chat tonight - my daughter has 2 basketball games this evening - but I posted my current questions and emailed them to Coach Annie. She is going to post her answers tonight.

Mav, have your Sox take it easy on my Tigers this week! We need the help. I will be thinking about you while I am at the game Thursday Night! Also, I am sure I would have honked at your butt too (and you are NOT old enough to be my mother! :^) ....

Pete, thanks for bike advice. I am going to start looking around and will let everyone know when I narrow it down to 3 or 4 for your opinons!

I have been swimming 2 - 3 times a week and I am finally happy with the results! I did 750m non-stop this morning again and finished with 1,400m for the day! The sprints really "kick my butt." So I have to work on my speed now that I am getting the distance thing down a bit. I still want to be able to swim 1,000m non-stop before taking on a 750m OWS.

I look forward to hearing Coach Annie's answers. Thanks again Bryan for having her on!


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2008-05-06 5:27 PM
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Hello everyone.

Flipper, there are no 'classes' with this group. We are all in the same boat, and no one is critical of anyone else. That being said, I understand how you feel, because I get so discouraged with my swimming. I wish I could swim like you! Don't bail out on us, we need you.

Nice stickers FBP! In fact, maybe we should call you "Stickers" as your new handle (you know, like Lightning McQueen in Pixar's 'Cars' movie...Flipper..?) I think that one may stick with you (pun intended). The ride looks sweet, and INSPIRED!

On my swimming, I've gone to the masters group swim 3 times, and I don't think it's for me. I am re-reading my Total Immersion book on triathlon swimming again, and it is helping me to get better focused on streamlining and ease while swimming. I don't get that with my masters group. I just need to work more on the drills until I get much better technique. It's been tough, and some shoulder problems have not helped at all, but I'm trying to keep a positive attitude and 'Keep Moving Forward' (what movie is that phrase from...?).

I have one question for Annie (and for anyone else of you with insights):
I have a history of ITBS and so I've been really careful about not overtraining on my running and all has been well since I started training in January. However, I've recently started running outside (on the roads, instead of the treadmill) and I get the ITBS symptomatic pain after running fairly easy for 30 minutes or so. I try to avoid canted roads, but not very easy to do. I'm running on canal banks as much as possible to try and help that out. I'm also doing some hip abductor exercises to try to strengthen the gluteous medius muscles. What else would you recommend? Thanks for helping out!

sTRIve on!

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2008-05-06 6:40 PM
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FBP aka stickers ... I think thats a great name for you!

Dan the last time you said that the Sox were going to do well we got our a$$ kicked by the tigers! Enjoy the game, I have to teach a class Thurs nite but I'll be there in spirit! Lately Big Pappi has been more like Big Poopie!!

Juanitia is it really you that I see here?????
2008-05-06 6:45 PM
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Aye, it's me Marianne. *grin* Good to see you, too. 

"Stickers" is a great name for Pete! LOL



2008-05-06 7:01 PM
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Did you read all of our posts..did ya feel the love??????
2008-05-06 7:22 PM
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Boy did I! You guys are the BEST!!
2008-05-06 7:31 PM
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Hello all! I am now online and ready to help you for the next half hour. Let me start with some of the previously asked questions (which is great, by the way – I wouldn’t have had time to answer them all in 30 minutes). I’ll start with Bryan’s question – does he whine when the workouts are tough…..yes!!! And then he begs for me to give him easy workouts J Ok, I’ll actually REALLY start with Juanita’s question, because I need a little more information from her to help come up with a better answer. Juanita’s question was:
Q: I have problems with my toes and the front half of my feet going numb after I've been on the bike for about 6 or 7 miles. I thought the problem was specific to the biking motion only (it happens on my Trek and on the stationary bike), but I recently discovered the same problem on the elliptical machine. I added elliptical workouts last week, because my left knee is bothering me a little and I wanted to substitute a lower impact cardio for running to make sure the knee would be ok. (The knee started bothering me when I increased resistance on the stationary bike to over 12 for longer then 5 or 10 minutes. But it feels ok when I stop peddling.) Back to the numbness... I've loosened shoe strings almost to the point where my heel slides in the shoe, but it hasn't helped. I don't use clipless pedals/shoes and really don't want to at this point. But if that is the problem, I'll sure re-consider. I really appreciate the opportunity to ask the question! Thanks!
A: Normally I’d say your straps are too tight on your bike shoes, but then after you said it happened on your elliptical too, then I need to ask what type of socks you’re wearing? Synthetic socks, dri-fit socks, no socks? Do you normally have bad circulation (get blue feet/hands, even at rest, or frequently get the pins and needles sensations in arms and legs?) If you normally have bad circulation, that may be something to talk to a medical professional about and may be playing a part in this situation. Let me know the answers to these questions, though, and I might be able to help you a bit more.
2008-05-06 7:31 PM
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hey gang - just got home frm a fantastic session by a sports psychologist. I will write more about it in a separate post once our "chat" is done tonite
2008-05-06 7:33 PM
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Hi Peter! Glad you are here to join us. Here are some answers to your questions:
Q1. When I am pedaling, should the sole of my shoe be parallel to the ground throughout the full rotation of the crank or should it vary (ie. heel up vs. toe up) at different points in the rotation?

A1:During the majority of your pedal stroke, your foot should be flat with the sole of your shoe parallel to the ground. The one exception is that your foot can be slightly angled with the toe pointed down during your up stroke. The important thing is that you don’t have your toes pointed down when you are on your down stroke. This can put undue strain on your ligaments and Achilles.


 Q2. How do you learn to "feel" whether you are pulling up as well as pushing down on the pedals?

A2: To learn how to feel the pulling and pushing sensations, just clip in one foot to a pedal and only use that foot to push and pull through the entire stroke. Ride around the block like this and you will learn very quickly how this feels. If you think of the pedal stroke as a clock, consider two o’clock to seven o’clock as the pushing down phase and then seven o’clock to two o’clock as the pulling up phase – pulling slightly forward as you reach the top. Try it one foot at a time and you’ll quickly experience the differences in the two.


 Q3. The event that I find to be the hardest is definitely the swim. I'd be interested in any "tips" in this discipline, ie. things that I should be thinking about, concentrating on, trying to do, etc. when I am at the pool. For example, I remember as a kid when they taught us side stroke it was "pick an apple, put in in the basket" as the visual for the stroke motion. Annything similar for how to most efficiently do the crawl - arm/hand position, when to start the head rotation, how far back to pull before starting forward again, kicking technique, etc. ?
A3. As far as increasing efficiency, the best thing a person can do is to focus on body position.  It sounds like you like analogies, so the best way to explain it is to picture your body as a "pig on a spit" - your spine is the spit and should always be straight.  The rest of your body needs to roll around the spit.  Traveling through the water, one should always be on one side or the other - not flat on the stomach or on the back.  The analogy is that of a piece of wet spaghetti vs. a piece of not yet cooked spaghetti.  If you push a wet noodle across a pool deck it will wobble back and forth and not go in any one direction.  In contrast, the straight noodle will go straight in the direction it is pushed in.  By keeping the "spine in line" and rotating the rest of your body around it, you maximize your efficiency and minimize the resistance against the water.  Good drills for this are catch-up, and sidekick 12 (essentially just basic freestyle but broken down so that the swimmer is floating on his/her side for

a kick of 12 beats before taking a single stroke.)


 Q4. Is it reasonable to think that I can do  a second sprint tri about 3 weeks after my first?

A4: This is definitely reasonable. Just make sure you take the week after your first sprint tri to recover. Keep strength training light that week and if you are working on speed workouts, make the recovery time longer in between sets. That 2nd week you can bump up your workouts again in terms of duration and intensity, and then that 3rd week would be your taper again.


 Q5. Is my plan to do sprint tri's this summer/fall, oly tri's next summer/fall and a HIM in the summer/fall of 2010 reasonable?
A5: Definitely! Very good plan, especially as a beginner in the sport. You will feel so comfortable racing that by the time you reach your HIM goal, you will be a pro! J


2008-05-06 7:37 PM
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OMG - one footed pedaling. What a great suggestion !! Re the swim, many days I feel like I should be a pig on a spit  
2008-05-06 7:40 PM
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Annie -what would you identify as the main mistakes that newbies like us tend to make ?
2008-05-06 7:40 PM
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Peter - I was hoping you weren't a vegetarian by my pig on the spit analogy Cool. Ok, on to Dan's questions -are you on right now, Dan?

Answers to Dan’s questions:
Q1: All of my training has been indoors.  Moving to outside has been totally different – when I run outside, my calf and heal have been very, very sore for several days afterward.  I have good Brooks running shoes.  Any suggestion on how to help this?
A1: My first thought is your shoes – have you gone to a specialized store to have your foot measured and assessed? You should always get your shoes measured at night because your feet are bigger in the evening than in the morning. How long have you been wearing the current shoes you are running in? You need to replace your running shoes every 400-600 miles or every 6 months – whichever comes first.  Although I am not a medical professional, I have to say that it is also possible that you may have plantar fasciitis, which is essentially heel pain caused by inflammation or a tear in the tissue on the bottom of the foot. You can get plantar fasciitis from over-pronating (rolling your foot too far inward), and if that is your case, you may consider orthotics. You can also get this from overly tight muscles and tendons in the feet and from overly tight calves – which sounds like it could certainly be a problem for you. Treatment includes RICE plus massage on the bottom of the foot either by hand or by rolling the foot over a golf ball or soda can. The best thing I can tell you is to stretch, stretch and stretch – both your feet and calves – and make sure you are wearing the proper shoes!
Q2. I do not own a road bike.  I do plan on sticking with Tri’s and hope to do an Olympic distance next summer.  I don’t mind spending $1,500 - $2,000 on a bike, but don’t want to waste my money if I can get the same thing for $700 - $800!  Any suggestions on what I should buy.
A2: I think the easiest thing to do if you are looking for a less expensive buy is to start with a standard, entry level bike (like Peter got – his Trek 1000) and then you can add componentry on that. I am a big believer in Trek and Felt bikes for entry level rides, but it all depends on your build – so make sure you go to a store that will fit you for your body type, goals, and personal needs. Then, it’s only a matter of time before you will want to add the componentry – which makes the biggest difference. Generally, most people upgrade their wheels first and even that little change will make a big difference in your ride. But it sounds like with your needs for right now, an entry level bike is the best for you and you can upgrade later on.
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Can you explain to me what upgraded wheels will do for us 
2008-05-06 7:47 PM
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Peter - great question. In my personal experience, I have found that newbies tend to overdo it. Most of us triathletes are A types who have to do everything right - and more is better, right? Well, not so much in the triathlon world. Overtraining just leads to nasty injuries, increased heart resting heart rate, sickness...and all lead to decreased performance.

 As far as the upgraded wheels, they lighten your bike and make you more aerodynamic. Simply put - it makes you faster! Don't feel like you need to get Zipp wheels, though, you can just get an upgrade from the entry level and you will feel a big difference - especially in the descents.



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Ok, Marianne, on to your questions:

Q1. I am having a very hard time exhaling while swimming in the open (pretty cold 55 degree water). It seems to be instinctive to hold your breath while your face is in the water. I don’t have this problem in the pool at all. Any suggestions/ drills?


A1. This is very normal……really the only key is practice, and giving yourself plenty of time to warm up before a race and get comfortable with the water. The problems in exhalation that come from the cold water (such as increased heart rate and blood pressure) can be altered by giving yourself plenty of time to warm up before you start the race– and of course, you should be wearing a wetsuit in 55 degree water too. That is pretty cold. You really just have to force yourself to while your face is still in the water.  The other problem other than the cold is that nerves and anxiety speed up respiration and quickens your pulse, and lots of swimmers become somewhat panicked, causing disruptions in breathing. Try visualization by picturing yourself in your nice clean warm water pool and imagine you can see all the way to the bottom. You just got to psyche yourself out. This is a great example of mind over matter. You can even try “practicing” this in the pool and swim with your eyes closed – be cognizant of how your breathing changes just by this simple exercise.
Q2. I get terrible cramps, mostly in my right foot, although sometimes in my left, when swimming with fins. I've tried blue zoomers as well as the lighter blue and orange fins. I have tried socks, no socks, eating increased potassium... nothing seems to help. I usually abandon them half way through my masters class. Do you have any suggestions/ ideas???


A2. I wouldn’t get too concerned over this issue because you wouldn’t actually use flippers in a race, but there is something to be said for doing exercises to strengthen your feet. Since I have little time here, I’ll just send you to a site that I found helpful. Try some of these exercises and it should at least help a little bit as you use fins in your swimming drills (which, by the way, is an excellent tool for swimming): http://www.comfortshoe.com/foot_exercises_.htm

Q3. I am doing my first Olympic distance in June (mooseman in NH). Water temps are likely to be pretty cold. Typically I dont eat during sprints or 10ks. Just a little water and I am fine. Any suggestions about nutrition on this type of route? I understand there are alot of hills on the bike and run. I am 5'10" and 146 lbs.. I just dont want to run out of steam. I hydrate well several days before the race and I typically eat 2000 cal/ day.
A3: Depending on how fast you race, this could make a difference. If you are going any longer than 1 hour, it is crucial that you consume carbs to sustain your energy. Your body has enough stored glycogen to fuel your body for about an hour and a half at 70% effort, and I’m assuming you aren’t just going 70% at a race. Once you run out of the stored glycogen, intensity drops and you’re forced to rely on fat for fuel, and you simply can’t race at the intensity you want to. So, I recommend consuming 30-50 grams of carbs for every hour you exercise. You can get this from energy bars, gels, solid food, or a combo of these with a sports drink. As far as hydration goes, you should be drinking about 7-10 oz every 15 minutes. If you are drinking sports drinks, look for a sports drink with a carb level of about 6% and at least 15 mg per ounce of sodium to help fuel the body quickly and supply enough energy to working muscles. The combo of carbs and hydration will help you get over those hills and tackle the course.
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Peter - you can actually demo a set of Zipp wheels on trisports.com (our triathlon store sponsor) for $200 for up to 7 days. And when you buy your next wheelset within two weeks of receipt of the demo wheelset, they'll credit you $150 toward that purchase. You can learn more at http://www.trisports.com/trisports-wheel-demo-program-tri-before-you-buy.html
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Leston - your turn - here is the answer to your question:

 

 

Q1: I have a history of ITBS and so I've been really careful about not overtraining on my running and all has been well since I started training in January. However, I've recently started running outside (on the roads, instead of the treadmill) and I get the ITBS symptomatic pain after running fairly easy for 30 minutes or so. I try to avoid canted roads, but not very easy to do. I'm running on canal banks as much as possible to try and help that out. I'm also doing some hip abductor exercises to try to strengthen the gluteous medius muscles. What else would you recommend? Thanks for helping out!

 

 

A1: You certainly have the right idea in that you really do need to avoid those slanted roads and running surfaces. Again, I’d ask you how long you have had your shoes. It may be time for new shoes because worn-out shoes can be quite a setback for those with ITBS. You need to continue to focus on stretching your ITB because if you continue to experience IT band problems, you could potentially get pain in the front of your knees, so stretch, stretch and stretch! A good ITB stretch is to stand about a foot away from a wall and put your right arm on the wall. Cross your left leg over your right. Then, bend your arm so your forearm touches the wall, and bend your left knee, dropping your right hip toward the wall. Hold 15 to 30 seconds. Perform the stretch two more times. Switch sides and repeat.

 

 

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New wheels (even on a demo basis) aren't in the budget at present but I will ceratinly keep in mind that demo-ing is a possibility on down the line.
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