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2009-02-14 6:01 PM
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stevebradley - 2009-02-14 6:11 PM Hey! This is the 25th post on this page! Who's going to claim top spot on page 19?? It's up for grabs!

I'll take top spot!

Lisa, how was the marathon!?!?



2009-02-14 7:06 PM
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Congrats, Mindy! As a prize you get breakfast in bed for as long as you're where you are, somewhere in the middle of nowhere, I thought......but then why are you near a computer?

Well, never mind. Just tell the other components of the family that they have to faithfully and dutifully serve you breakfast in bed, at least up through Monday morning.

Victory carries some sweet benefits sometimes, yes?

(Terrific psychedelic imagery with the photo-times-four! I think I'm pretty hot stuff now when I can manage to post a photo after about 25 attempts, and then along comes you, trumping technology left, right, and center......)

(And for what it's worth --- blue IS your color!)
2009-02-15 7:38 AM
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Thanks to a bunch of you for sending your support and well wishes for the marathon.  it really is a great group we have here.  i am very grateful for it.

The race did not go according to plan.  An injury i have been struggling with gave me significant issues and forced me to walk alot of it.  you win some you lose some, i guess.

as steve points about, there are so many things to be thankful for.

1.) i did start and finish with my husband, ryan.  this was the first time we have started and finished a race together.  my injury, i guess, helped with that.  he is a significantly slower marathoner than i am (he has beat me in every tri, though).  we had actually planned on staying together anyway because 1) i knew i was not in any condition to pr and 2) it was valentines day!!  i feel very lucky to have him do these things with me.

2.) the course was perfect.  if you are looking for a flat course, this is perfect

3.) the forecast looked scary, but turned out to be not so bad.  instead of the 45 degrees it was calling for at start time, it was already 56 degrees when we left for the race.  the rain did come, but since it wasn't cold, it wasn't a big deal. 

4.) i hopefully got some good clues as to what might be the source of my injury.

 Race report here: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=147349

Thanks again for all your support and well-wishes.

 lisa

2009-02-15 7:44 AM
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GOOD MORNING, GANG!

It's a gloriously beautiful winter day here, bright sun shimmering off the crystalline snow, which itself vividly complements the clear blue sky..........and I'm off to the dismal inner sanctum of the gym, and maybe pool - dopey places both, on such a fine day, but it is what is.

No word from Lisa, eh? Looking at the weather at Myrtle Beach yesterday, it seems she caught a break in that regard (no big rains, anyhow), so I hope she had a merry old time romping for a few hours near the ocean.

Everybody hunky-dory, then? Life is copacetic, one and all? Enjoy the day, wherever you may be!
2009-02-15 7:48 AM
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LISA -

THERE you are! While I was plodding away at my two-fingered pecking technique, you snuck yours through. Well, without further ado, I'll head over to your race report. And, I hope your injury is nothing that a bit of rest won't help immensely.
Bye for now!
2009-02-15 8:21 AM
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LISA -

Wonderful race report, Lisa, but of course I am very sorry that it was such an uncomfortable experience for you. I will read it a few more times to try and get a clear idea of what the hip pain could be, or from where it is emanating. (But see below for thoughts on A.R.T.)

Speaking for the group here, give Ryan a big old hug from us - we are very grateful to him for sticking with you for the entire 26.2! And we DO want to see the finish line photo of you two crossing it, holding hands! (Remember - without photos, it didn't happen!)

I'm with you on the winter marathon thoughts. The second one I ever did was in early March, just east of Baltimore, and training for it was trying. I also did Boston, in mid-April, and training for that was only slightly better. Like you, right now I have no marathons in sight, but any I do in the future will be in the fall.

Yeah, it's cruel and unusual punishment when a long race (marathon, IM) course manages to find its way back PAST the finish line en route to doing a whole bunch more stuff before it actually delivers you there. In the spirit of misery-loving-company, someday I will describe the sadistically teasing nature of the run course at IM Lake Placid - but not until your MBM feelings have dulled a bit!

Have you ever had A.R.T. on your hip? If not, check around for a practioner of this. It is a fabulous form of physiotherapy, partway between a standard massage and rolfing. It requires the patient to work with the provider with every manipulation - that is, while she is digging into some muscle group, you are rotating/bending/moving your leg, say, so it works kind of like an augmented cross-friction massage. I am sure that hips are high-success areas for A.R.T. treatments, as are any of the adjacent structures (glutes, psoas, periformis, ITB). I have not had hip problems per se, but a couple of times my psoas has gone wonky, and A.R.T. brings about almost immediate relief. (It's an uncomfortable treatment, however, on the psoas.)

Back home now and resting? Or, at the beach, and resting? At any rate, at whichever place, kept yourself nicely replenished. And most definitely pat yourself on the back a few dozen times for persevering through it, but doing so very intelligently. Remember that these are ALL learning experiences, and while the lessons right now might seem just way too bitter to be valuable, after a while you will begin to see some positives about yesterday, and how those can be applied to most any of your future races. Take good care of yourself, and of The Loyal One as well!


2009-02-15 8:26 AM
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Oops!

Re-reading my post, I forgot to say what A.R.T. stands for, which is Active Release Technique. I think it has its own website, which it used to and which was quite informative. I will check it out later myself.
2009-02-15 8:45 AM
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I'm opting out of the half-mary I had planned today at Hampton Beach. As of Friday, my shin was hurting just walking around at work, and I haven't been able to run more than 3 miles at a time in the past few weeks. I agree with Lisa on her post about the difficultly of running distances in the winter. The short days and icy roads made it a pain.
2009-02-15 8:49 AM
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Kudos to you Lisa for finishing such a difficult run.  Not sure I would have been able to do that.

Steve, I am definitely in the middle of nowhere, but we have DSL!  Go figure.  I did bring my bike and if the weather clears a bit I plan on trying a ride in a valley that is close by.  Have to drive a couple of miles to get to paved roads, but the valley is a long stretch of rolling hills, no mountains, and little traffic.  It's a bit cold now but I'm hopeful it will warm up sufficiently to go.  Looking forward to my first real ride on the bike!



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2009-02-15 1:00 PM
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Congrats to Lisa!  I posted on your RR

 

Eric...perhaps a wise decision!  Good to see you can make that on your own.

 

Steve,

 When I originally signed up for IMCA 70.3 my trng partner was suposed to sign up the same day.  Probably within an hour of me signing up he tried and it was sold out.  I have been trying to contact members that have dropped out they may be able to let him use there reg...do you know of any way to get him in this race??

2009-02-15 2:30 PM
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SAX -

The only sure-fire safe way to do it is to request the favor from the race director. Many races will hold a few spots open, for whomever; I recently got a spot this way. The short story is that when he gave me the link to sign up on, it was listed as "Special Registration". Maybe IMCA70.3 has a similar under-the-table registration process!

Does the race have a waiting list? If so, have him get on it asap. Often for races of this length people will have to bail for any number of reasons, and in the final 2-3 weeks before the race spots become available. On the other hand, many RDs do not want to scramble to re-assign bib numbers and all, so even if there are spots available, they just go vacant. For this reason, most races do not have waiting lists.

Be very careful about trying to get him someone else's spot. Well, the boom won't fall on you, but if he or his benefactor is a USAT member, they can face the wrath of USAT. Many races strictly prohibit the selling or transferring of a race spot, so check all the fine print on the race's website before you go too far with this. However, some RDs will allow a spot to be sold, but I'm not sure how they get away with this - most likely if their race is not USAT-sanctioned. IMCA70.3, though, is USAT-sanctioned.

For a lot of races these days, he who hesitates is lost, as so many races sell out in a matter of days, hours, minutes. Registration for NYC Tri opened at 12:01 a.m. Nov. 1, when we were in Spain. I had previously giving my daughter all of my pertinent info (USAT #, credit card #), and told her to try to register right at 12:01. Dutiful daughter that she is, she got me registered in what turned out to be a very small window - 12 minutes!! And for IMLP '09, it filled the morning following the '08 race ON-SITE, and never even made it on-line. Compare this to '03, when I had a few days to discuss this with my coach before registering for the '04 race. I think it filled in about three days back then, but that type of pause-and-deliberate opportunity is long gone!



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ERIC -

Yes, that was a wise choice. As a result of your prudence, you now have some time to get it nice and rested before gearing back up for the "real" season.

I'm now in my 12th day not running, still trying to get my Achilles cooperative. I REALLY want to get back to running, but I know that it still needs more time. Maybe Tuesday? (Injury happened 3 weeks ago today, went 8 days off, then ran 13 minutes on treadmill, and I'm now in my 12th runless day since then.)

Well, it is always best when these things happen in the depths of winter, as opposed to the heart of the summer race season. For this we can be thankful!
2009-02-15 2:40 PM
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MINDY -

Nothing about breakfast in bed? Is it possible that Support Crew did not recognize or honor your Top-of-Page-19 award? Harumph.

The valley you describe sounds like a marvelous spot for a ride. I hope you were able to do it!
2009-02-15 6:56 PM
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PROTEIN FOR LONG COURSE TRIATHLONS --- Some thoughts specifically for:
NEIL - IMCA70.3 (April)
JESS - Mooseman HIM (June)
NATHAN - Rev3 HIM (June)
LISA - Eagleman70.3 (June)
NEIL - IMAZ (Nov.)

(This is sort of a follow-up to the long thing I posted yesterday about energy stores.)

Reading today about proteins during longer endurance events (either training or races) some sources recommend that protein be including along with carbohydrates so as to protect against "cannibalization" of muscle tissue when the activity goes beyoind 2-3 hours. So, for you folks listed above, that would mean that at some point during the second half of the bike of your half-iron you should optimally start taking in protein. The most reliable way to do this is through drinks, such as Perpetuem or Sustained Energy (both from Hammer Nutrition), Accelerade, and a protein-enhanced formulation from InfinIT.

Sustained Energy is made with a 7:1 carb:protein ratio, whereas Accelerade is made with a 4:1 ratio. The protein source in both S.E. and Perpetuem is soy, and Perpetuem is formulated to be 10% protein, thus replacing the 10% that is normally taken from the muscle stores for protein.

Another way to add protein is to use AccelGel, where each 41g packet has 5g of protein. (HINT: The chocolate AccelGel is positively divine! The gel division of Accelerade was purchased by Cadbury a year or two ago, and Cadbury's command of chocolate is obvious in the gel. YUMMY!)

I'm mentioning this now so that you can start experimenting with which protein source(s) work for you during training. Some of the products above are, for many people, "acquired tastes", so you want to practice with them now rather than buy a tub of, say, Perpetuem at the pre-race expo, mix it the morning of the race, and expect it to work without imploding your stomach.

Another note: For the drinks, they get REALLY gnarly if mixed too early and then left to ferment in the heat. I have fallen victim to this phenomena on a couple of occasions over the years, and it is an awful, sickatating experience to take a big swig from a bottle whose contents have begun to "turn"!
2009-02-15 9:20 PM
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Steve,

 

Thanks for posting this, I am looking at getting serious about this nutrition thing once my distances get longer.  I havn't seemed to need much for 2hr and less workouts other than some Heed on the bike and maybe a gel on a long run over 10. 

So for the HIM I am thinking...and this is just a thought but based on what you have typed out:

Sip on HEED prior to swim start, maybe a gel as I walk down to the swim start.

T1, finish bottle of HEED

On bike have 1 bottle HEED, 1 Bottle WATER, 1 bottle SUSTAINED ENERGY at Special needs.

Drink every 20min on bike (assuming it will take about 3hrs):

water, heed, water, heed, water, SE, water, SE, water(about 3hrs)

maybe pack 3 gels, 1 @20miles, 1 @40miles (1 for emergency)  is that necessary?

T2...take in that 3rd Gel, water

Run...pack 3gels for, 1 for every 5 miles and rely on water/Gatorade/coke...whatever they have for the last half of the mary

Finish line: lots of water then a pint of Guinness, or two!

 

Does this make sense...I haven't calculated up the calories yet but I am sure I will soon just to make sure.  I can do math, and if math can help me out there lets do it.  No need to go ad hoc here like I have for the Olys and Sprints.

 

 



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stevebradley - 2009-02-13 8:24 AM GRACE - The adjustment for clipless pedals is pretty easy (heck, even I can do it!). If it's Look pedals ... I do "flying dismounts" when finishing the bike leg of a race

STEVE,

Thanks for the tips on adjusting clipless pedals. I finally got down to asking Spencer about mine and he said my pedals are Crank Brothers' 'Egg Beater' pedals and are non-adjustable, easy clip-in-out and very light. Apparently the trouble I had with the left pedal clip-in-out was because that one was bent. If I had known about the pedal being wonky (instead of me!) I might have not fallen over so much? (Or at least had a more graceful crash.) Speaking of which an attempt at a flying dismount right now would probably result in a crash landing for me hehe. I need to work on my bike skills!



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stevebradley - 2009-02-13 6:32 PM GRACE - ...I'm just cogitating* on it, as well as trying to get past the vague queasiness I'm feeling at the thought of monitor lizard organs. Lynn and I spin in different recreational orbits...For all my love of being in the water, I dislike boats quite a bit...I'm trying to figure out how to say what I want to say without all of my usual verbosity....

STEVE,

Oh, I don't actually eat monitor lizard organs. Those are kinda small and too much work cleaning em. Actually the only time I had them was when my grandma made some soup out of a monitor lizard that someone gave to her. I got the neck. It tastes like chicken Cool

Spencer and I like the same activities but at very different intensities. I enjoy boating, even white water kayaking a mild Class II, but he likes Class IVs yikes. I like to bike slowly and take in the scenery, he likes mtn biking at perilously fast speeds. And so forth. I am scared of going too fast on the bike, afraid of drowning. I'm even afraid of bugs, which isn't good if one is an entomologist hehe.

Sorry Steve & all, I am extremely verbose and feel bad about being forum hog. I think i need to start cogitating  too.

 

2009-02-15 10:40 PM
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Steve and all,

I read Neil's (I think) post about better speeds after warmups and decided to apply the warmup regimen suggested for my training plan. Previously I had gone almost directly into my run and did a 21 minute 5 k (2% slope). So today I walked 5 min, slow jogged 5 min, stretched 5 min, walked another 5 min, THEN started my run. I brought my time down to under 18 minutes! Woohoo! Then after the run I walked 10 min and stretched 10 min. I'm glad I read everyone's posts!

2009-02-16 1:16 AM
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Awesome post Steve...both of them. Thanks for sharing and for the pep talk. Had another long day yesterday - but you are right. I need to focus on the future. Have a question...how long do I need to wait after REV3 before I attempt a Sprint? I am really trying to get into the NCTS rankings this year (here are the races, many are closed already http://www.setupevents.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=events&series=n... There is one a week later and then another 3 weeks later. I'm going to have to put off the NC Mary because I'm not sure if I'll be home yet, but I'd like to do a few sprints. I think you have to do 4 to be ranked, but I'll have to look.

 

Also, if you all want to learn more about me, they posted my bio at the REV3 site: 

http://www.rev3tri.com/!/blog/2009-02-05-NathanHangen.html

2009-02-16 9:14 AM
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NATHAN -

Just quickly for now, as I'm leaving for a swim.

First, I think you could do a sprint a week after Rev3. For Tri Latta, the age group day (Saturday, 13th) is closed, but with a waiting list possibility. The next day is the novice and novice masters day, and that is still open, with 167 spots left. I don't know how they define novice, and don't know how those results would tally into the NCTS series standings. The distances for both days are the same - 750meter/17mile/5km - and those are doable the week after a half - if you emerge from that pain-free, however! The approach would be to take a few days for rest, then on Thursday (maybe even Wednesday) an easy recovery ride and/or a gentle swim. Depending on how good you feel after Rev3, maybe a slow run of only a mile or two on Friday, if you're in the Sunday race. Saturday, you might want to ride the run course, and go for a 10-15 minute swim at the race site, just to stay loose.

The Kura Beach one on the 28th sounds pretty cool! Those "Formula 1" races are quite wild (in a good way), with the multiple transitions, and they're good exercises for mental organization. The K.B. race will end up with 750meters/20miles/3miles, but it won't seem like that at all, broken up as it is. The ONLY POSSIBLE CONCEIVABLE WAY you won't be able to do K.B. is if you've really messed something up at Rev3, so definitely sign up for that one!

Oops! Late already! I'll be back later.
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Well yesterday was too cold and today is even colder (currently 45 degress F) so no bike ride for me.  One last chance tomorrow but it doesn't look good.  I am a wimp when it comes to cold.


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SAX -

That looks like a very solid nutritionally plan, Neil! But, never being one to leave well enough alone, let me throw out a few things for you to think about:

1.) Yes, I think a third gel is necessary, just in case something happens to one of the first two. This could include dropping it, or having 2/3 of a packet end up running down your arm (both of these have happened to me, and more than once). If it turns out that you don't need it, then towards the end of the bike tuck it into one of the pockets of whatever you are wearing.

2.) I tend to "over-drink" my energy drink (Usually H.E.E.D., sometimes InfinIT) on the bike, which means I drink much more of that than water. I do this for the following reasons: (a) I can't count of what the course offers, both in terms of what my body needs and what I can tolerate; that is, sometimes I can handle Gatorade, sometimes not; (b) related to the above, I can always tolerate water, and that is omnipresent on the run; (c) I tend to perform better on the run when I have followed this strategy, proably because I have topped-up my system with carbs and electrolytes.

3.) I am a cola addict on HIMs and IMs. That is something I can always tolerate, and in those settings in it something I simply crave. HOWEVER - and this is a very big HOWEVER - make sure that once you start using cola, that you continue to use it - like, at every aid station. The reason for this is that there is a "sugar-high" connected with using it, and that can be very tough to experience if you don't keep feeding it. I'm guessing that at IMCA70.3, they will have aid stations every mile, so as long as they have cola at all of them, you should be fine. But check about this with the RD, by all means, as the only control you have over this is making sure that once you start, you continue using. Beyond that, though, the RD has to come through with providing it at all aid stations, or at least at every station after the first one at which it is available.

4.) Just a follow-up to the last is that I NEVER train with cola, even when a race says that it will be on the run course. I really don't think it's a quality training fluid (that's an understatement!!), and I can just take it in without thinking twice about it when it is provided on a long course run.

5.) I use one of those Bento boxes for HIM and IM. These are little mesh thingies that velcro over the top tube, and in mine I store my gels, a strand or two of red licorice, broken-up bits of whatever energy bar I am using, maybe a small pretzel or two, and a small baggy of Endurolytes. If there is stuff from that selection that I think I want on the run, I tuck it into pockets towards the end of the bike. (The Endurolytes always go, and sometimes the chunks of bar.)

6.) I never use a fuel belt, just don't like the feel of it around me. However, I don't mind stuff in various pockets, and to this end for longer races I wear a DeSoto top, with the two side pockets, and the DeSoto tri shorts that have either one or two mesh pockets down each leg.

7.) You mention water at the finish line, which is good, but also add something with carbs and protein to jump-start the recovery process. I ALWAYS have something for this purpose, but - guilty confession here - more often than not I forget about using it until well, well after I have finished. I tend to hit the food area with the voracity of a shark, but that's not necessarily the best place to replenish all of the micro-elements that have been depleted during the previous five hours of racing.

And that's that!
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MINDY -

I wouldn't say that dodging 45-degree F makes you a wimp. It probably entitles you to consider yourself a Sensible Person who is not yet so obsessive-compulsive about all this stuff that you feel compelled to bundle up and brave the elements. Wise decision!!
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GRACE -

ARGHH! Stealth attack! Here I was, fully recovered (or so I thought) from the trauma of thinking about monitor lizard organs ---- and you bring them back into the discussions here. That's just cruel and unusual punishment!

I will have to go to the Crank Brothers website and see exactly what "egg-beater" pedals look like. I have heard that term, but I realize that I have no idea what is being referred to. Ah, the education about all of this stuff never, ever ends.

(And, you are definitely NOT too verbose. Your posts are always enjoyable (even the monitor lizard references.....), so keep 'em coming more posts, more words per post, even!
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GRACE -

Ah-ha! So THAT'S what egg-beaters are! You know, I've seeen them on loads and loads of bikes in transition zones.....and never really thought about them. Now I have to go and figure out what sort of cleat arrangement works wuth them. (I started to do this, but our typically-slow dial-up internet is even more pedestrian at the moment, so that will have to wait.)

Now we can talk the same pedal-language! (Esperanto for cyclists?)
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