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How can I simulate hill work on the treadmill? We have no hills in our town.


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kaburns1214 - 2013-01-02 6:09 AM

Morning everyone.  Swim this morning and easy bike after work for me today.

Also I registered yesterday for the US Masters / American Swimming Coaching Association Level 1 and 2 coaching clinic in March in NYC.  There's a entire "chapter" on triathlon swimming, which should be interesting. 

Oh yes! Interested in what they saw about kicking.

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rizer22 - 2013-01-02 7:00 AM An hour on the trainer this morning. Still little resistance. Also, is unsweetened almond milk ok for while 30, or is it just coconut milk?

I'm pretty sure the Whole30 plan just calls for coconut milk.

 

The unsweetened I was buying has carageenan (spelling?) and that's not allowed. It was Almond Breeze brand, and I loved it. Oh well.

Kelly - is the one you found online really fatty? Like 17grams per serving? I know fat is "ok", but I'm already adding coconut oil, ghee, olive oil all day long! I'm not used to that much fat.

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kaburns1214 - 2013-01-02 6:09 AM

Morning everyone.  Swim this morning and easy bike after work for me today.

Also I registered yesterday for the US Masters / American Swimming Coaching Association Level 1 and 2 coaching clinic in March in NYC.  There's a entire "chapter" on triathlon swimming, which should be interesting. 

Awesome Kelly!
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rizer22 - 2013-01-02 7:00 AM An hour on the trainer this morning. Still little resistance. Also, is unsweetened almond milk ok for while 30, or is it just coconut milk?

I'm pretty sure the Whole30 plan just calls for coconut milk.

 

The unsweetened I was buying has carageenan (spelling?) and that's not allowed. It was Almond Breeze brand, and I loved it. Oh well.

Kelly - is the one you found online really fatty? Like 17grams per serving? I know fat is "ok", but I'm already adding coconut oil, ghee, olive oil all day long! I'm not used to that much fat.

Karen- was that the unsweetened almond breeze coconut milk? Can you post a link to the coconut milk you are using?
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It was pitch black and 1 degree at 5AM as I drove to the Y. 2000 swim, 4 mile easy run.

It's strange, some days when I swim I find that I struggle to catch my breath. Whereas today I felt as if I could just keep going and going and my last 100 was the fastest I have ever done and i wasn't out of breath.

Can anyone else relate?



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2700 in the pool this morning.  Blech.  The last 300 or so really sucked.  Went out and got in 25 mins of an easy run afterwards. 
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DDVMM - 2013-01-02 8:06 AM How can I simulate hill work on the treadmill? We have no hills in our town.

Pop up the incline on the treadmill to 4 or 5% and go.

As an aside a flat treadmill is actually like running ever so slightly down hill because the treadmill belt propels you forward.  The simulate a flat run the treadmill should be set a .5 or 1%. 

For hill repeats on the treadmill do the warm up at 1%, go to 4 or 5 % for about 90 seconds to simulate a hill, go back to 0% for the recovery (running downhill) and then repeat.  Just make sure the treadmill is all the way to 4 or 5% when you start the 90 seconds or so (it takes the treadmill a little while to adjust the incline). 

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karen26.2 - 2013-01-02 8:26 AM
kaburns1214 - 2013-01-02 7:54 AM

rizer22 - 2013-01-02 7:00 AM An hour on the trainer this morning. Still little resistance. Also, is unsweetened almond milk ok for while 30, or is it just coconut milk?

I'm pretty sure the Whole30 plan just calls for coconut milk.

 

The unsweetened I was buying has carageenan (spelling?) and that's not allowed. It was Almond Breeze brand, and I loved it. Oh well.

Kelly - is the one you found online really fatty? Like 17grams per serving? I know fat is "ok", but I'm already adding coconut oil, ghee, olive oil all day long! I'm not used to that much fat.

Cocnut milk is essentially fat (its a medium chain fatty acid to be specific).  You're not going to find a lower fat coconut milk without it being processed.

 

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kaburns1214 - 2013-01-02 8:33 AM

DDVMM - 2013-01-02 8:06 AM How can I simulate hill work on the treadmill? We have no hills in our town.

Pop up the incline on the treadmill to 4 or 5% and go.

As an aside a flat treadmill is actually like running ever so slightly down hill because the treadmill belt propels you forward.  The simulate a flat run the treadmill should be set a .5 or 1%. 

For hill repeats on the treadmill do the warm up at 1%, go to 4 or 5 % for about 90 seconds to simulate a hill, go back to 0% for the recovery (running downhill) and then repeat.  Just make sure the treadmill is all the way to 4 or 5% when you start the 90 seconds or so (it takes the treadmill a little while to adjust the incline). 

Only 4 or 5%??? How boring.

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kaburns1214 - 2013-01-02 8:33 AM

DDVMM - 2013-01-02 8:06 AM How can I simulate hill work on the treadmill? We have no hills in our town.

Pop up the incline on the treadmill to 4 or 5% and go.

As an aside a flat treadmill is actually like running ever so slightly down hill because the treadmill belt propels you forward.  The simulate a flat run the treadmill should be set a .5 or 1%. 

For hill repeats on the treadmill do the warm up at 1%, go to 4 or 5 % for about 90 seconds to simulate a hill, go back to 0% for the recovery (running downhill) and then repeat.  Just make sure the treadmill is all the way to 4 or 5% when you start the 90 seconds or so (it takes the treadmill a little while to adjust the incline). 

Only 4 or 5%??? How boring.

You can go higher than 4 or 5 % but thats a good place to start. 



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I started the day with a ZR/Z1 35 minute run.  I'm very interested to see how I will do in the 5k I am doing this Sunday.  It's not an easy course, and I'm awful when it comes to pacing myself.  I usually blow up because I start out too fast.

So I think I'm going to go with the healthier choices option.  Whole30 is sooo restrictive.  I did do very well yesterday, as I was at my moms, and lunch was ham and broccoli.  The more impressive thing was that I would have had, but chose to decline, pepperoni bread, mashed potatoes, corn, diet coke, pudding pie, and tons of cookies with artificially sweetened coffee.  For dinner I had salad with olives, avocado, and a dressing with lemon and extra virgin olive oil.  Yes, this was only day 1, but this was a success for me.

I have a question.  Can someone explain the difference between a paleo diet and whole30.  As Whole30 is a huge extreme for someone that eats as poorly as myself, I'm wondering if a Paleo diet at this time would be a nice transition for me, rather than diving into Whole30.  Thoughts?

 

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trilooney - 2013-01-02 10:22 AM

I started the day with a ZR/Z1 35 minute run.  I'm very interested to see how I will do in the 5k I am doing this Sunday.  It's not an easy course, and I'm awful when it comes to pacing myself.  I usually blow up because I start out too fast.

So I think I'm going to go with the healthier choices option.  Whole30 is sooo restrictive.  I did do very well yesterday, as I was at my moms, and lunch was ham and broccoli.  The more impressive thing was that I would have had, but chose to decline, pepperoni bread, mashed potatoes, corn, diet coke, pudding pie, and tons of cookies with artificially sweetened coffee.  For dinner I had salad with olives, avocado, and a dressing with lemon and extra virgin olive oil.  Yes, this was only day 1, but this was a success for me.

I have a question.  Can someone explain the difference between a paleo diet and whole30.  As Whole30 is a huge extreme for someone that eats as poorly as myself, I'm wondering if a Paleo diet at this time would be a nice transition for me, rather than diving into Whole30.  Thoughts?

The diets are very similar.  Kind of like any diet they draw lines around the edges somewhat randomly. 

The real goal should be to eliminate as much processed food from your diet as possible, make sure to include fat, protein and carbohydrates (from fruits and vegetables) at each meal and eat to fuel your body.  Going from eating almost 100% processed foods to strict Paleo or whole 30 is a really dramatic step.  I think the real goal should be moving in the right direction and thinking about making better food choices. 



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trilooney - 2013-01-02 10:22 AM

I started the day with a ZR/Z1 35 minute run.  I'm very interested to see how I will do in the 5k I am doing this Sunday.  It's not an easy course, and I'm awful when it comes to pacing myself.  I usually blow up because I start out too fast.

So I think I'm going to go with the healthier choices option.  Whole30 is sooo restrictive.  I did do very well yesterday, as I was at my moms, and lunch was ham and broccoli.  The more impressive thing was that I would have had, but chose to decline, pepperoni bread, mashed potatoes, corn, diet coke, pudding pie, and tons of cookies with artificially sweetened coffee.  For dinner I had salad with olives, avocado, and a dressing with lemon and extra virgin olive oil.  Yes, this was only day 1, but this was a success for me.

I have a question.  Can someone explain the difference between a paleo diet and whole30.  As Whole30 is a huge extreme for someone that eats as poorly as myself, I'm wondering if a Paleo diet at this time would be a nice transition for me, rather than diving into Whole30.  Thoughts?

The diets are very similar.  Kind of like any diet they draw lines around the For edges somewhat randomly. 

The real goal should be to eliminate as much processed food from your diet as possible, make sure to include fat, protein and carbohydrates (from fruits and vegetables) at each meal and eat to fuel your body.  Going from eating almost 100% processed foods to strict Paleo or whole 30 is a really dramatic step.  I think the real goal should be moving in the right direction and thinking about making better food choices. 

Amen.

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ccmpsyd - 2013-01-02 8:54 AM

It was pitch black and 1 degree at 5AM as I drove to the Y. 2000 swim, 4 mile easy run.

It's strange, some days when I swim I find that I struggle to catch my breath. Whereas today I felt as if I could just keep going and going and my last 100 was the fastest I have ever done and i wasn't out of breath.

Can anyone else relate?

No - but good for you!

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trilooney - 2013-01-02 10:22 AM

I started the day with a ZR/Z1 35 minute run.  I'm very interested to see how I will do in the 5k I am doing this Sunday.  It's not an easy course, and I'm awful when it comes to pacing myself.  I usually blow up because I start out too fast.

So I think I'm going to go with the healthier choices option.  Whole30 is sooo restrictive.  I did do very well yesterday, as I was at my moms, and lunch was ham and broccoli.  The more impressive thing was that I would have had, but chose to decline, pepperoni bread, mashed potatoes, corn, diet coke, pudding pie, and tons of cookies with artificially sweetened coffee.  For dinner I had salad with olives, avocado, and a dressing with lemon and extra virgin olive oil.  Yes, this was only day 1, but this was a success for me.

I have a question.  Can someone explain the difference between a paleo diet and whole30.  As Whole30 is a huge extreme for someone that eats as poorly as myself, I'm wondering if a Paleo diet at this time would be a nice transition for me, rather than diving into Whole30.  Thoughts?

 

For a 5k, you should be almost puking at the end!!!!! There is no pacing. At least that's what I am told. Seems to work for me.


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DDVMM - 2013-01-02 8:39 AM
karen26.2 - 2013-01-02 8:26 AM
kaburns1214 - 2013-01-02 7:54 AM

rizer22 - 2013-01-02 7:00 AM An hour on the trainer this morning. Still little resistance. Also, is unsweetened almond milk ok for while 30, or is it just coconut milk?

I'm pretty sure the Whole30 plan just calls for coconut milk.

 

The unsweetened I was buying has carageenan (spelling?) and that's not allowed. It was Almond Breeze brand, and I loved it. Oh well.

Kelly - is the one you found online really fatty? Like 17grams per serving? I know fat is "ok", but I'm already adding coconut oil, ghee, olive oil all day long! I'm not used to that much fat.

Karen- was that the unsweetened almond breeze coconut milk? Can you post a link to the coconut milk you are using?

Yes, I was using Almond Breeze Coconut Milk. Can't anymore...

The one I bought was from the farmers market, and I can't even read the words other than ingredients is just coconut milk. It's actually in a cardboard box, not a can, but I think it's the same as what's in the cans. I still have not opened it up yet.

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trilooney - 2013-01-02 10:22 AM

I started the day with a ZR/Z1 35 minute run.  I'm very interested to see how I will do in the 5k I am doing this Sunday.  It's not an easy course, and I'm awful when it comes to pacing myself.  I usually blow up because I start out too fast.

So I think I'm going to go with the healthier choices option.  Whole30 is sooo restrictive.  I did do very well yesterday, as I was at my moms, and lunch was ham and broccoli.  The more impressive thing was that I would have had, but chose to decline, pepperoni bread, mashed potatoes, corn, diet coke, pudding pie, and tons of cookies with artificially sweetened coffee.  For dinner I had salad with olives, avocado, and a dressing with lemon and extra virgin olive oil.  Yes, this was only day 1, but this was a success for me.

I have a question.  Can someone explain the difference between a paleo diet and whole30.  As Whole30 is a huge extreme for someone that eats as poorly as myself, I'm wondering if a Paleo diet at this time would be a nice transition for me, rather than diving into Whole30.  Thoughts?

The diets are very similar.  Kind of like any diet they draw lines around the For edges somewhat randomly. 

The real goal should be to eliminate as much processed food from your diet as possible, make sure to include fat, protein and carbohydrates (from fruits and vegetables) at each meal and eat to fuel your body.  Going from eating almost 100% processed foods to strict Paleo or whole 30 is a really dramatic step.  I think the real goal should be moving in the right direction and thinking about making better food choices. 

Amen.

X2 Very well said Kelly.

Start looking at labels, and if you can't pronounce half the ingredients you should put back on the shelf.

Shop the perimeter of the store, the aisles are full of the processed crap - the perimeter is where the fruits and veggies and meat are. Load up on that and you'll be doing good.

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trilooney - 2013-01-02 9:22 AM

I started the day with a ZR/Z1 35 minute run.  I'm very interested to see how I will do in the 5k I am doing this Sunday.  It's not an easy course, and I'm awful when it comes to pacing myself.  I usually blow up because I start out too fast.

So I think I'm going to go with the healthier choices option.  Whole30 is sooo restrictive.  I did do very well yesterday, as I was at my moms, and lunch was ham and broccoli.  The more impressive thing was that I would have had, but chose to decline, pepperoni bread, mashed potatoes, corn, diet coke, pudding pie, and tons of cookies with artificially sweetened coffee.  For dinner I had salad with olives, avocado, and a dressing with lemon and extra virgin olive oil.  Yes, this was only day 1, but this was a success for me.

I have a question.  Can someone explain the difference between a paleo diet and whole30.  As Whole30 is a huge extreme for someone that eats as poorly as myself, I'm wondering if a Paleo diet at this time would be a nice transition for me, rather than diving into Whole30.  Thoughts?

 

Nice. I can so empathize and am with you on it.
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2012 totals
Bike:255h 50m 28s  - 4742.39 Mi
Run:201h 54m 16s  - 928.85 Mi
Swim:73h 41m 57s  - 256555.1 Yd
Strength:41h 29m

I am very happy with my 2012.  I feel like I learned a lot about training, nutrition, recovery, etc., and I can't wait to apply all of this knowledge to my 2013 season.  

I have been gone for the last 5 days and have missed lots of valuable discussions.  I have been reading them but only had my phone to work with, and it's just too hard to type on that thing.  So, I hope to be more useful now that I am home.  

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Kelly - Is there a particular brand of coconut water you drink?  


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I started the day with a ZR/Z1 35 minute run.  I'm very interested to see how I will do in the 5k I am doing this Sunday.  It's not an easy course, and I'm awful when it comes to pacing myself.  I usually blow up because I start out too fast.

So I think I'm going to go with the healthier choices option.  Whole30 is sooo restrictive.  I did do very well yesterday, as I was at my moms, and lunch was ham and broccoli.  The more impressive thing was that I would have had, but chose to decline, pepperoni bread, mashed potatoes, corn, diet coke, pudding pie, and tons of cookies with artificially sweetened coffee.  For dinner I had salad with olives, avocado, and a dressing with lemon and extra virgin olive oil.  Yes, this was only day 1, but this was a success for me.

I have a question.  Can someone explain the difference between a paleo diet and whole30.  As Whole30 is a huge extreme for someone that eats as poorly as myself, I'm wondering if a Paleo diet at this time would be a nice transition for me, rather than diving into Whole30.  Thoughts?

The diets are very similar.  Kind of like any diet they draw lines around the For edges somewhat randomly. 

The real goal should be to eliminate as much processed food from your diet as possible, make sure to include fat, protein and carbohydrates (from fruits and vegetables) at each meal and eat to fuel your body.  Going from eating almost 100% processed foods to strict Paleo or whole 30 is a really dramatic step.  I think the real goal should be moving in the right direction and thinking about making better food choices. 

Amen.

X2 Very well said Kelly.

Start looking at labels, and if you can't pronounce half the ingredients you should put back on the shelf.

Shop the perimeter of the store, the aisles are full of the processed crap - the perimeter is where the fruits and veggies and meat are. Load up on that and you'll be doing good.

It is very restrictive, but the point of Whole30 is to try and reset your homone level.  All the chemical laden junk we put in our bodies throws our body chemistry off.  If we can just detox in a healthy way, lots of things get better.  But Kelly is 100% correct  in that any changes you make are better than none.  And the Paleo diet does allow sweetners and dessert items whereas Whole30 doesn't.

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jarvy01 - 2013-01-02 4:41 PM Kelly - Is there a particular brand of coconut water you drink?  

Zico unsweetened coconut water in the tetra pack.

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I started the day with a ZR/Z1 35 minute run.  I'm very interested to see how I will do in the 5k I am doing this Sunday.  It's not an easy course, and I'm awful when it comes to pacing myself.  I usually blow up because I start out too fast.

So I think I'm going to go with the healthier choices option.  Whole30 is sooo restrictive.  I did do very well yesterday, as I was at my moms, and lunch was ham and broccoli.  The more impressive thing was that I would have had, but chose to decline, pepperoni bread, mashed potatoes, corn, diet coke, pudding pie, and tons of cookies with artificially sweetened coffee.  For dinner I had salad with olives, avocado, and a dressing with lemon and extra virgin olive oil.  Yes, this was only day 1, but this was a success for me.

I have a question.  Can someone explain the difference between a paleo diet and whole30.  As Whole30 is a huge extreme for someone that eats as poorly as myself, I'm wondering if a Paleo diet at this time would be a nice transition for me, rather than diving into Whole30.  Thoughts?

The diets are very similar.  Kind of like any diet they draw lines around the For edges somewhat randomly. 

The real goal should be to eliminate as much processed food from your diet as possible, make sure to include fat, protein and carbohydrates (from fruits and vegetables) at each meal and eat to fuel your body.  Going from eating almost 100% processed foods to strict Paleo or whole 30 is a really dramatic step.  I think the real goal should be moving in the right direction and thinking about making better food choices. 

Amen.

X2 Very well said Kelly.

Start looking at labels, and if you can't pronounce half the ingredients you should put back on the shelf.

Shop the perimeter of the store, the aisles are full of the processed crap - the perimeter is where the fruits and veggies and meat are. Load up on that and you'll be doing good.

It is very restrictive, but the point of Whole30 is to try and reset your homone level.  All the chemical laden junk we put in our bodies throws our body chemistry off.  If we can just detox in a healthy way, lots of things get better.  But Kelly is 100% correct  in that any changes you make are better than none.  And the Paleo diet does allow sweetners and dessert items whereas Whole30 doesn't.

Agreed on the hormonal issues.  Ben Greenfield has a good piece on it on his website.  I'll try and find it when I get home.  Paleo allows natural sweetners like honey and agave correct?

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First day of Whole100 -  2 c. coffee w/coconut milk, eggs and spinach in coconut oil; homemade dried fruit/nut bar; organic ground beef and sugar snap peas; fresh sockeye salmon, roasted butternut squash, fresh green beans.

Been busy with teaching my fitness classes and getting some of my students on board with the Whole30 program.  Had class this morning and a nutrition class.

I've got to start getting in some training.  It has been very cold for Texas and rainy.  Not too good for bike riding especially on a new bike I'm not too familar with.  I have a treadmill at our studio, but I despise treadmill running.  Think I'll finally get outside on Thursday with my running partner.  Got to get back up to speed for the Hot Chocolate 15k in February.  Need to get on the bike so I can do the Freeze Your Fanny bike ride in February, too.  I don't have a trainer.  Maybe I should consider buying one.  That sounds boring, too.  Don't know much about them though.  Now that the holidays are over, I will also go back to the recreation center that has the indoor pool to start swimming again, hopefully Friday.  Don't care for pool swimming, but this one is very nice and it's saline.

They're a complete necessity in cold climates.  Trainers are essentially stable fly wheels that place resistance on the back wheel of the bike.  Different trainers use different methods to create resistance (e.g. magnets, wind and fluid).  Outside of a compu trainer, fluid trainers give the most accurate road feel. 

Trainers aren't just good for cold weather, they also provide an incredibly efficient way to train.  You can control variables much better on a trainer and I lots of people who will use a trainer year round for interval work.  After my bike crash in July, I did 80-90% of my biking on the trainer. 

Thank you!  All this stuff is still so new to me.  Typically, we don't get a lot of cold weather, but January and February (good training times) are usually our coldest months.  So, I will start pricing them!

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