Let's talk politics

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Subject: RE: Let's talk politics

scoobysdad - 2012-07-03 10:46 AM

trinnas - 2012-07-03 11:34 AM

JoshR - 2012-07-03 12:28 PM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-28 12:47 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-06-28 2:43 PM

1. Obama said he could provide ObamaCare and do it without raising taxes. With this decision, ObamaCare will result in an enormous increase in taxes. More independent voters will begin to understand that it's not "free".

This will be his main weapon. All he has to do is quote the SCOTUS as saying that the ACA is a tax.

Romney's campaign is declining to call this a tax. Thoughts?

He pretty much had to because of the Romneycare mandate. Then again the rest of the republican party can and will beat that drum loudly so that Romney doesn't have to.

I agree. Right now, Obama has two choices: he can call it constitutional tax or he can call it an unconstitutional penalty. The RNC and third party groups will hammer home that it's a tax while Romney can force Obama into the unenviable position that ObamaCare is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL penalty. Romney comes off as "agreeing with Obama" and Obama is still screwed on the issue. He forces Obama into a classic "Catch-22".

And it means nothing at all.

What I find so amazing about the whole thing is that in 08 Obama and Hillary went toe to toe. A very smart veteran, and Obama comes out ahead.

The Republican party is powerless to do a thing. They went with McCain and threw out a Hail Mary with Palin, all of which leads a to a resounding defeat.

Here it is '12... the Republican party has had 4 years to work on it... to hear them tell it the country is in worse shape than 08 due to an ineffective radical liberal... and all they can come up with is Romney. Are you kidding me?

Obama will get 4 more years. The Rebublican party has no answer. All it has is a desperate plea to put up some white washed vinnila yes man out there. It astounds me that these two men are the "best" the partyies can put forward. Obviously President Obama has had 4 years, but it amazed me he got elected in the first place with his resume.

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Subject: RE: Let's talk politics

powerman - 2012-07-03 1:35 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-07-03 10:46 AM

trinnas - 2012-07-03 11:34 AM

JoshR - 2012-07-03 12:28 PM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-28 12:47 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-06-28 2:43 PM

1. Obama said he could provide ObamaCare and do it without raising taxes. With this decision, ObamaCare will result in an enormous increase in taxes. More independent voters will begin to understand that it's not "free".

This will be his main weapon. All he has to do is quote the SCOTUS as saying that the ACA is a tax.

Romney's campaign is declining to call this a tax. Thoughts?

He pretty much had to because of the Romneycare mandate. Then again the rest of the republican party can and will beat that drum loudly so that Romney doesn't have to.

I agree. Right now, Obama has two choices: he can call it constitutional tax or he can call it an unconstitutional penalty. The RNC and third party groups will hammer home that it's a tax while Romney can force Obama into the unenviable position that ObamaCare is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL penalty. Romney comes off as "agreeing with Obama" and Obama is still screwed on the issue. He forces Obama into a classic "Catch-22".

And it means nothing at all.

What I find so amazing about the whole thing is that in 08 Obama and Hillary went toe to toe. A very smart veteran, and Obama comes out ahead.

The Republican party is powerless to do a thing. They went with McCain and threw out a Hail Mary with Palin, all of which leads a to a resounding defeat.

Here it is '12... the Republican party has had 4 years to work on it... to hear them tell it the country is in worse shape than 08 due to an ineffective radical liberal... and all they can come up with is Romney. Are you kidding me?

Obama will get 4 more years. The Rebublican party has no answer. All it has is a desperate plea to put up some white washed vinnila yes man out there. It astounds me that these two men are the "best" the partyies can put forward. Obviously President Obama has had 4 years, but it amazed me he got elected in the first place with his resume.

Would you want to be president? Both parties have poisoned the well when it comes to politics.

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Subject: RE: Let's talk politics

powerman - 2012-07-03 1:35 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-07-03 10:46 AM

I agree. Right now, Obama has two choices: he can call it constitutional tax or he can call it an unconstitutional penalty. The RNC and third party groups will hammer home that it's a tax while Romney can force Obama into the unenviable position that ObamaCare is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL penalty. Romney comes off as "agreeing with Obama" and Obama is still screwed on the issue. He forces Obama into a classic "Catch-22".

And it means nothing at all.

The same type of drooling masses that voted for Rangel in the last primary (a man who has been essentially convicted by Congress of ethic violations including evading taxes and stealing money for his own uses) will still vote for Obama despite his actions.

Obama could go on live TV and club a baby seal with a kitten and there would still be people would would vote for him.

Edited by TriRSquared 2012-07-03 12:43 PM

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Subject: RE: Let's talk politics

powerman - 2012-07-03 12:35 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-07-03 10:46 AM

trinnas - 2012-07-03 11:34 AM

JoshR - 2012-07-03 12:28 PM

TriRSquared - 2012-06-28 12:47 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-06-28 2:43 PM

1. Obama said he could provide ObamaCare and do it without raising taxes. With this decision, ObamaCare will result in an enormous increase in taxes. More independent voters will begin to understand that it's not "free".

This will be his main weapon. All he has to do is quote the SCOTUS as saying that the ACA is a tax.

Romney's campaign is declining to call this a tax. Thoughts?

He pretty much had to because of the Romneycare mandate. Then again the rest of the republican party can and will beat that drum loudly so that Romney doesn't have to.

I agree. Right now, Obama has two choices: he can call it constitutional tax or he can call it an unconstitutional penalty. The RNC and third party groups will hammer home that it's a tax while Romney can force Obama into the unenviable position that ObamaCare is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL penalty. Romney comes off as "agreeing with Obama" and Obama is still screwed on the issue. He forces Obama into a classic "Catch-22".

And it means nothing at all.

What I find so amazing about the whole thing is that in 08 Obama and Hillary went toe to toe. A very smart veteran, and Obama comes out ahead.

The Republican party is powerless to do a thing. They went with McCain and threw out a Hail Mary with Palin, all of which leads a to a resounding defeat.

Here it is '12... the Republican party has had 4 years to work on it... to hear them tell it the country is in worse shape than 08 due to an ineffective radical liberal... and all they can come up with is Romney. Are you kidding me?

Obama will get 4 more years. The Rebublican party has no answer. All it has is a desperate plea to put up some white washed vinnila yes man out there. It astounds me that these two men are the "best" the partyies can put forward. Obviously President Obama has had 4 years, but it amazed me he got elected in the first place with his resume.

Yes, a successful governor who made millions in the private sector turning around businesses and who turned around a failing organization of the Olympic Games versus a President with a well-established track record of ineffectiveness, incompetence, extreme partisanship and whose only idea is to spend money like a drunk sailor.

Oh, and the president must now defend his only "accomplishment" as a massive new tax or an unconstitutional penalty that a growing majority of Americans already want to repeal.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_eve...

Clearly, the Republicans are dead in the water.

Oh, wait...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_admin...

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Subject: RE: Let's talk politics

TriRSquared - 2012-07-03 11:42 AM

powerman - 2012-07-03 1:35 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-07-03 10:46 AM

I agree. Right now, Obama has two choices: he can call it constitutional tax or he can call it an unconstitutional penalty. The RNC and third party groups will hammer home that it's a tax while Romney can force Obama into the unenviable position that ObamaCare is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL penalty. Romney comes off as "agreeing with Obama" and Obama is still screwed on the issue. He forces Obama into a classic "Catch-22".

And it means nothing at all.

The same type of drooling masses that voted for Rangel in the last primary (a man who has been essentially convicted by Congress of ethic violations including evading taxes and stealing money for his own uses) will still vote for Obama despite his actions.

Obama could go on live TV and club a baby seal with a kitten and there would still be people would would vote for him.

Because of course it would be all Bush's fault and a Congress that will not work with him

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Subject: RE: Let's talk politics

scoobysdad - 2012-07-03 11:47 AM Yes, a successful governor who made millions in the private sector turning around businesses and who turned around a failing organization of the Olympic Games versus a President with a well-established track record of ineffectiveness, incompetence, extreme partisanship and whose only idea is to spend money like a drunk sailor. Oh, and the president must now defend his only "accomplishment" as a massive new tax or an unconstitutional penalty that a growing majority of Americans already want to repeal. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_eve... Clearly, the Republicans are dead in the water. Oh, wait... http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_admin...

Please... I have nothing against Romney, but the Republican party does. Remember, he was not Republican enough before. He is a centrist and the only reason the conservatives put him up is because they can't get one of their own elected. Romney for conservatives has problems... he leaves a bad taste, but it is all they have.

And Obama Care is not the defeat they were hoping for. It was upheld plain and simple. We can argue over semantics. We all called it a tax at the time, but regardless, it was upheld... by a "conservative" Justice no doubt! Hardly a dagger to the heart.

Obama will get elected again for the same reason Bush did. The faithful are not all that happy, but don't want to change course right now. The moderates and middle of the roaders will do the same because even though Obama may have let them down, Ronmey is not causing them to jump for joy. Successful Govenor sure, a Republican puppet... no thanks.

Edited by powerman 2012-07-03 12:58 PM

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