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mdg2003 - 2012-09-01 3:13 PM

ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-01 1:47 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-09-01 2:03 PM It truly astounds me that we have a president who defends the practice of partial birth abortion, in which viable babies basically have their brains sucked out before being completely delivered, and somehow Ryan alone is considered by the mainstream media to have the "controversial" stand on the issue. Whatever. This election will be solely decided on economic issues, as it should be. IMO, one party has a plan and is energized to do something about the country's fiscal problems, the other party has completely run out of ideas and is just flailing at this point. The record clearly shows that just throwing money at a problem does not solve the problem. Still, Obama's plan to win the election could work. If you throw enough goodies to enough different groups, you probably can buy enough votes to win. It's the strategy that has gotten us to the place we are now.

I respectfully disagree. There are a host of issues that will impact this election, especially with different segments of the population...women, Latinos, union workers, teachers, etc. Immigration, foreign policy, separation of church and state, women's reproductive rights just to name a few...the list goes on.

As for the "plan" put forward by the GOP, I will be interested to see how energized the American public will be when they are asked to watch the richest Americans during a time of economic challenge be given tax cuts. I think we can agree that the overwhelming majority (when laying out their pros and cons) will place that in the cons column.

I'd be more interested to see how long the that overwhelming majority will chew on that "class envy bone" being tossed out there by a group of people that are 1%ers themselves. That's some rich irony right there...

I'm trying to understand the "class envy" charge from the Right. I listen to Hannity talk about how "liberals are good at spending money, when it's not theirs..." to which I counter, when a rich liberal willingly supports candidates who require them to pay more themselves, how is that spending someone else's money?

Isn't it admirable of a "1%er" to put more into the pot to help out their fellow countrymen? ...and when I say "more," I mean more than they do right now which was a direct result of the Bush tax cuts.

Both sides have their tough sells, and this most definitely is one of the GOP's.

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scoobysdad - 2012-09-01 2:03 PM It truly astounds me that we have a president who defends the practice of partial birth abortion, in which viable babies basically have their brains sucked out before being completely delivered, and somehow Ryan alone is considered by the mainstream media to have the "controversial" stand on the issue. Whatever. This election will be solely decided on economic issues, as it should be. IMO, one party has a plan and is energized to do something about the country's fiscal problems, the other party has completely run out of ideas and is just flailing at this point. The record clearly shows that just throwing money at a problem does not solve the problem. Still, Obama's plan to win the election could work. If you throw enough goodies to enough different groups, you probably can buy enough votes to win. It's the strategy that has gotten us to the place we are now.

One could argue this applies just as well to fundraising for presidential campaigns. Do we really need to spend over a billion dollars "educating" voters? If the economy is such a shambles, where's it coming from?

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ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-01 2:20 PM

mdg2003 - 2012-09-01 3:13 PM

ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-01 1:47 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-09-01 2:03 PM It truly astounds me that we have a president who defends the practice of partial birth abortion, in which viable babies basically have their brains sucked out before being completely delivered, and somehow Ryan alone is considered by the mainstream media to have the "controversial" stand on the issue. Whatever. This election will be solely decided on economic issues, as it should be. IMO, one party has a plan and is energized to do something about the country's fiscal problems, the other party has completely run out of ideas and is just flailing at this point. The record clearly shows that just throwing money at a problem does not solve the problem. Still, Obama's plan to win the election could work. If you throw enough goodies to enough different groups, you probably can buy enough votes to win. It's the strategy that has gotten us to the place we are now.

I respectfully disagree. There are a host of issues that will impact this election, especially with different segments of the population...women, Latinos, union workers, teachers, etc. Immigration, foreign policy, separation of church and state, women's reproductive rights just to name a few...the list goes on.

As for the "plan" put forward by the GOP, I will be interested to see how energized the American public will be when they are asked to watch the richest Americans during a time of economic challenge be given tax cuts. I think we can agree that the overwhelming majority (when laying out their pros and cons) will place that in the cons column.

I'd be more interested to see how long the that overwhelming majority will chew on that "class envy bone" being tossed out there by a group of people that are 1%ers themselves. That's some rich irony right there...

I'm trying to understand the "class envy" charge from the Right. I listen to Hannity talk about how "liberals are good at spending money, when it's not theirs..." to which I counter, when a rich liberal willingly supports candidates who require them to pay more themselves, how is that spending someone else's money?

Isn't it admirable of a "1%er" to put more into the pot to help out their fellow countrymen? ...and when I say "more," I mean more than they do right now which was a direct result of the Bush tax cuts.

Both sides have their tough sells, and this most definitely is one of the GOP's.

This argument right here is all that is needed to know... it is business as usual and nobody is serious about fixing ANYTHING. Ryan wants to leave Defense off the table. Obama ONLY cares about taxing the rich. Romney only cares about entitlements... Medicare/Obamacare.

HEY JACK****! It's all of them! The 50% sitting on their butts not contribuing a dime need to contribute a dime! The Bush tax cuts need to expire for good. The entitlments need to be reigned in. The Defense Dept. and evey other Dept. needs to be cut back.

Yet here we are debating the merits of their "plans". Fun stuff.

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ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-01 3:20 PM

mdg2003 - 2012-09-01 3:13 PM

ChineseDemocracy - 2012-09-01 1:47 PM

scoobysdad - 2012-09-01 2:03 PM It truly astounds me that we have a president who defends the practice of partial birth abortion, in which viable babies basically have their brains sucked out before being completely delivered, and somehow Ryan alone is considered by the mainstream media to have the "controversial" stand on the issue. Whatever. This election will be solely decided on economic issues, as it should be. IMO, one party has a plan and is energized to do something about the country's fiscal problems, the other party has completely run out of ideas and is just flailing at this point. The record clearly shows that just throwing money at a problem does not solve the problem. Still, Obama's plan to win the election could work. If you throw enough goodies to enough different groups, you probably can buy enough votes to win. It's the strategy that has gotten us to the place we are now.

I respectfully disagree. There are a host of issues that will impact this election, especially with different segments of the population...women, Latinos, union workers, teachers, etc. Immigration, foreign policy, separation of church and state, women's reproductive rights just to name a few...the list goes on.

As for the "plan" put forward by the GOP, I will be interested to see how energized the American public will be when they are asked to watch the richest Americans during a time of economic challenge be given tax cuts. I think we can agree that the overwhelming majority (when laying out their pros and cons) will place that in the cons column.

I'd be more interested to see how long the that overwhelming majority will chew on that "class envy bone" being tossed out there by a group of people that are 1%ers themselves. That's some rich irony right there...

I'm trying to understand the "class envy" charge from the Right. I listen to Hannity talk about how "liberals are good at spending money, when it's not theirs..." to which I counter, when a rich liberal willingly supports candidates who require them to pay more themselves, how is that spending someone else's money?

Isn't it admirable of a "1%er" to put more into the pot to help out their fellow countrymen? ...and when I say "more," I mean more than they do right now which was a direct result of the Bush tax cuts.

Both sides have their tough sells, and this most definitely is one of the GOP's.

Well, I'm not sure what to call it other than what it is. Take where we are right now. Eliminate the Obama/Bush tax cuts, raise the tax rate on the 1%ers and you still have not made a dent in the problem. Unfortunately any tax increases from our current leaders will come with increased spending, most likely more than the tax increase would cover. That ain't the answer to the problem. I do wish the House would have stopped Obama and his extension of the Bush cuts. I wish they would have allowed him to raise the taxes to any rate he saw fit. I promise you, we would still be bleeding and they would apply the money to new spending, not paying down the debt or balancing the budget.

Now if someone proposes tax increases, across the board spending cuts and elimination of all new spending, you might get somewhere. For either party to suggest they can fix the problem without doing all three is nothing but a lie and pandering to their base. And Dude, stop listening to Hanitty... he's had his panties set to " in a bunch" since Obama took office!!!

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Yeah as a conservative I can say Hannity is our Ed Shultz. No substance whatsoever. Just pander to the far right/left talking points with no real meat on the bone.

Tax code is screwed: no one should pay 0%, upper earners should have a minimum required instead of being able to shelter it.

Spending's outta control.

Social security has no hope of being there when I turn 65.

Medicare will probably not be there when I'm 55.

It's all because our congress is full of career politicians instead of being a cross-section of society as it's supposed to be (Ryan and Biden both for example). Had the framers seen how long someone could sit in congress, they would've placed term limits at least on the House.

No matter how much we hope our guy fixes the problems they won't until we literally run out of people to borrow from and have to resort to war to take wealth. So let's just keep all the military spending in place so we can kick someone's tail and take their $$$.

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I agree with Powerman that Abortion will never again be illegal, but it says something to me about people who are willing to lose votes for their principles. I'm not sure what positions Obama has taken even though it cost him votes. Libya maybe? But that was to help the Europeans who get most of Libya's oil.

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