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2006-03-14 4:17 PM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
ChipmunkHeart - 2006-03-14 2:28 PM

Well, the last time I went the Sprint store to get a new phone, the guy helping me was flirting and then asked me if he could call me (already had the number, what with it being my cell company and all). Now, I didn't want him to call me, but I did want the sweet deal I was getting on the phone ... so, yeah, he had the "power" in that instance,  but you'll notice I said it was the LAST time I went to the Sprint store. Asked him not to call me, and haven't been back. Yeah, it might be have been ok for him to ask, yeah, it was Ok for me to say no (after NOT getting my discount -ahem), but seriously? I don't care. It was a long day, I was tired, I didn't want to fluff some Sprint store employees ego -- I just wanted my phone, and while I'm occassionally happy to flash a smile (or whatever) to swing some discount, I'd rather not feel like I HAD to in order to get service. It's annoying. You're in a service industry -- the last thing you need your customers to feel like is that they have to cater to YOU.


but in my case i dont ask for a number (i ask, even though its on their order form, BC just taking it is CREEPY without asking), untill tthe job is done, and they have paid. at that point i have no power over them, their job is done, they have paid; all they have to do is walk out the door.


2006-03-14 4:44 PM
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Yeah, well this one time I was getting ready to roll off a planning team where I was managing the cost model for a U.S. Customs effort.  So this chick comes in to replace me, and starts to flirt uncontrollably with me in the conference room we were using as our office.  I'm really glad I didn't use my positional authority and that I took the moral high road.  THAT could have been awkward.

ChipmunkHeart - 2006-03-14 3:28 PM Well, the last time I went the Sprint store to get a new phone, the guy helping me was flirting and then asked me if he could call me (already had the number, what with it being my cell company and all). Now, I didn't want him to call me, but I did want the sweet deal I was getting on the phone ... so, yeah, he had the "power" in that instance,  but you'll notice I said it was the LAST time I went to the Sprint store. Asked him not to call me, and haven't been back. Yeah, it might be have been ok for him to ask, yeah, it was Ok for me to say no (after NOT getting my discount -ahem), but seriously? I don't care. It was a long day, I was tired, I didn't want to fluff some Sprint store employees ego -- I just wanted my phone, and while I'm occassionally happy to flash a smile (or whatever) to swing some discount, I'd rather not feel like I HAD to in order to get service. It's annoying. You're in a service industry -- the last thing you need your customers to feel like is that they have to cater to YOU.

2006-03-14 5:18 PM
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And then you invited flirty chick to a work meeting in Raleigh on a Saturday night...to hang with crazy people that you really did not know but who all appreciated your waxing experiment.  And she got lost and had to talk to this other chick which probably totally confused her...but it was all fun and games   Until she saw the by-product of the waxing. 

God, you are a lucky man!  You even learned how to loofah from that flirty chick!

 

Stake - 2006-03-14 5:44 PM

Yeah, well this one time I was getting ready to roll off a planning team where I was managing the cost model for a U.S. Customs effort.  So this chick comes in to replace me, and starts to flirt uncontrollably with me in the conference room we were using as our office.  I'm really glad I didn't use my positional authority and that I took the moral high road.  THAT could have been awkward.

ChipmunkHeart - 2006-03-14 3:28 PM Well, the last time I went the Sprint store to get a new phone, the guy helping me was flirting and then asked me if he could call me (already had the number, what with it being my cell company and all). Now, I didn't want him to call me, but I did want the sweet deal I was getting on the phone ... so, yeah, he had the "power" in that instance,  but you'll notice I said it was the LAST time I went to the Sprint store. Asked him not to call me, and haven't been back. Yeah, it might be have been ok for him to ask, yeah, it was Ok for me to say no (after NOT getting my discount -ahem), but seriously? I don't care. It was a long day, I was tired, I didn't want to fluff some Sprint store employees ego -- I just wanted my phone, and while I'm occassionally happy to flash a smile (or whatever) to swing some discount, I'd rather not feel like I HAD to in order to get service. It's annoying. You're in a service industry -- the last thing you need your customers to feel like is that they have to cater to YOU.

2006-03-14 5:57 PM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.

(cough) Your moral high road was pretty low to the ground, if I recall correctly

Thank God that! 

 

Stake - 2006-03-14 5:44 PM

Yeah, well this one time I was getting ready to roll off a planning team where I was managing the cost model for a U.S. Customs effort.  So this chick comes in to replace me, and starts to flirt uncontrollably with me in the conference room we were using as our office.  I'm really glad I didn't use my positional authority and that I took the moral high road.  THAT could have been awkward.

ChipmunkHeart - 2006-03-14 3:28 PM Well, the last time I went the Sprint store to get a new phone, the guy helping me was flirting and then asked me if he could call me (already had the number, what with it being my cell company and all). Now, I didn't want him to call me, but I did want the sweet deal I was getting on the phone ... so, yeah, he had the "power" in that instance,  but you'll notice I said it was the LAST time I went to the Sprint store. Asked him not to call me, and haven't been back. Yeah, it might be have been ok for him to ask, yeah, it was Ok for me to say no (after NOT getting my discount -ahem), but seriously? I don't care. It was a long day, I was tired, I didn't want to fluff some Sprint store employees ego -- I just wanted my phone, and while I'm occassionally happy to flash a smile (or whatever) to swing some discount, I'd rather not feel like I HAD to in order to get service. It's annoying. You're in a service industry -- the last thing you need your customers to feel like is that they have to cater to YOU.

2006-03-14 6:06 PM
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Tyrant....  you have no power...  they are just USING you to get their way....    After they leave the store with their prints...  I wonder what they say about you....   Think about it....

2006-03-14 6:31 PM
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2006-03-14 7:42 PM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
BettyLou - I totally see people like you coming and go out of my way to provide crappy service. It's actually kinda fun to watch women demean themselves like this and watch them crumble. It never works with me.

Sorry to inform you Bettylou, but this is the type of attitude and action that reinforces gender stereotypes and makes the workplace so crappy.

Regarding the topic - you ought to be careful. If you put your customers in an uncomfortable position, you are ruining your client base. As the manager, maintaining and increasing your clienelle should be first and foremost in your mind with every customer. As has been said before, you are also setting the tone with your employees that it is okay to hit on customers. Your customers are there for service, not dating. Hey, if your service is that good, maybe a girl will ask YOU out.

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2006-03-14 10:06 PM
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Go for it !!!! You might find the women of your dreams this way!!!
2006-03-15 8:17 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
D.Z. - 2006-03-14 7:42 PM

BettyLou - I totally see people like you coming and go out of my way to provide crappy service. It's actually kinda fun to watch women demean themselves like this and watch them crumble. It never works with me.

Sorry to inform you Bettylou, but this is the type of attitude and action that reinforces gender stereotypes and makes the workplace so crappy.


Oh! I'm not *that* woman. I know that woman and I don't like her either! There is a difference between being flirtatious and being charming. And there's a reason why they say, "Works like a charm....."
2006-03-15 8:27 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
Well, what you're doing is using your sexuality to your advantage, right? You're just swapping words in or out to justify the principle, no? Looks like splitting hairs to me.
2006-03-15 8:44 AM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
I have been very careful in my business career to maintain professionalism and go out of my way to be sure that my actions can not be misinterpreted as flirting. I started at a company in my 20s where many of the men that I worked with had daughters older than me, so I REALLY had to work hard to be taken seriously.

However, that being said, I am a woman, yes, and that can be an advantage at times. A smile, a flutter of lashes, and a reinforcement of someone else's intelligence (can you tell me how to do this, please?) works quite well in many situations. I don't lean over and show cleavage. I don't hike my skirt up. I don't touch anyone. I don't lick my lips or play with my hair or make suggestive remarks. I just smile and ask for a favor.... And it seems to work.

It's a skill, and I'm good at it!



2006-03-15 1:20 PM
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Subject: RE: The position of power and flirting.
I have worked in corporate america (finance and marketing), full time church ministry and now run a faith based non profit (and yes the flirting is just as bad at the church environment...don't get me started) and I am around donors and married men all the time and have learned a lot in the last 16 years...you really need to be careful...bottom line...some things I have learned the hard way trust me and things I thought were 'innocent' friendly behavior were not perceived that way always. Flirting is fun and can go both ways...I think you need to really guage your audience...what I can get away with some I would never consider with others...and then the real test...would I say/do this in front of their wife? or if the guy is single...would I do this in front of a board member? See flirting off hours is one thing, on the 'job' is different and today frankly you never know the mindset of a customer, the day their having...stalkers can come in all forms or people just looking to sue..
soooo there is friendly flirting and there is crossing the line...and frankly my job in my town is so visable....you never know who may be watching...I have been places and wanted to 'have a little fun and flirt ' thinking no one I knew was around and poof, in a few minutes someone will come up and say "aren't you ..... I think you spoke at my church last week'....yeah...real reality check!
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