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2005-07-26 12:18 PM
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Your wife is insecure about your new outlook, your improving body, her sedentary body, your time training, etc. 

But be careful lest the validation of your point on this thread blind you to your own possible culpability here - are you paying attention to her?  Do you make comments to her about her not excersizing?  IS SHE MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU THAN TRIATHLONS? Doesn't mean you have to quit, but maybe she doesn't know if she is or not - and that has to be a pretty empty feeling to wonder if someone who you have pledged your life to doesn't feel your as interested in her as you are in something you said your going to quit in a month.

Having said that, maybe you are growing apart. Maybe she really is selfish and insecure and is more concerned with keeping you from looking too good so she can keep you. Maybe this training has exposed a flaw in your relationship that already existed. I would advise that you get a clear head about what you want - maybe she and her lifestyle just won't fit with your new view of the world - it sounds to me like the two of you are not as in synch as might be desired for a true partnership.

I would advise some family counseling as well, and Don is right, but with an astersk: She is more important than a triathlon. If she is not, you should not be with her.



2005-07-26 1:08 PM
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We have had some serious talkes over the last few days. I have moved all of my training to the morning with few exceptions (this will make it a little more difficult to get all the training I need). She has also agreed to start walking with me in evenings. I have started her on the couch to 5K as she did some running when we first met. I am not sure she will stick with it but she has asked me to help and make her do it. I can see this being a tough task.

The overall outcome is that I am still going to train for the tri in September with some additional light walks and eventually runs in the evening with my wife.

I will keep you all posted. Thanks for the comments, I really do apreciate them. And don't forget to drop me some inspiration from time to time.

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2005-07-26 2:14 PM
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Dave,

You shouldn't have to choose - your (healthy) interests or your wife. Really, wives don't get to rule what husbands do with every minute of their time. You are entitled to your interests; you are entitled to make decisions about how to spend your free time. You need to ask your wife to support your need to have interests outside the marriage. All of this presupposes that you are fully present and connected in your marriage. If your wife is lonely, then there is possibly some emotional disconnect between the two of you and tri'ing or not will not fix this disconnect.

I'm very glad to read that you two are walking together. That's great. Keep talking.

2005-07-26 2:57 PM
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I can't offer a whole lot of advice because I'm not married, but I'll just share my thought.

Being single and having been in a relationship with a guy who was unspportive of my training, this issue scares me to death.  I am extremely picky when it comes to dating.  I'm not picky to the point that I'm being ridiculous, but I'm being realistic.  I know that I need to be with a guy who has a passion- whether it's tri training, marathon training, swimming, cycling, ultimate frisbee, anything.  If you both have a passion in life (whether it's the same or different) it really helps.  If I meet a guy and they don't have a passion I don't really give them the time of day.  It sounds bad, but I have learned the hard way and refuse to watse my time that way again.  Reason being...I have found that the guys who don't have a passion make comments to me about my training like "you're too active for me" or "well, you might as well do it all now because you won't be able to do this when you're married and have a family".  It's extrememly frustrating, because I can't understand why guys don't admire my ambition and aren't encouraging  What man wouldn't want their women to take care of herself and be healthy?  Ugh...it's really annoying but I refuse to be with someone (again) who discourages me from what I love to do.  So what if I don't get married until I'm 35?  (I'm 28 and hope it doesn't take that long, but who knows?  It might.) At least I'll be spending my time doing something I love and not wasting my time waiting for some guy.



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2005-07-26 3:54 PM
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You're single...?
2005-07-26 4:32 PM
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I have started her on the couch to 5K as she did some running when we first met. I am not sure she will stick with it but she has asked me to help and make her do it. I can see this being a tough task.

It seems like you almost assume she will fail to hold up her end of the agreements.  My guess is that training and triathlons are only the symptoms of a bigger problem.  Who doesn't believe in her---you or her?



2005-07-26 4:33 PM
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tmwelshy - 2005-07-26 12:54 PM You're single...?

She also said that she is extremely picky

2005-07-26 4:35 PM
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Damn, I missed that part...

2005-07-26 8:58 PM
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It's hard to beleive in her if she doesn't beleive in herself. I know she can do it if she really wants to. The problem is she is asking me to force her to do it, and not take no for an answer. I give her credit for taking the first step and I will help with all the confidence I can but WE ALL know that if she really doesn't want it for herself I will only be causing more grief by trying to motivate her.

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2005-07-27 1:21 AM
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If you have lost interest, just admit it.  Don't go looking to blame it on the other person.  Just own it.

2005-07-27 7:28 AM
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tmwelshy - 2005-07-26 3:54 PM You're single...?

Yep- I'm single   To clarify picky, I just mean that I am not going to "settle" for just anyone.  I know what I want and will wait until I find that.  Specifically, I need to be with someone who's just as active as me to keep me on my toes.  I'm not going to date someone just to be with someone.  That's what I mean by being picky.  I guess it's not about being picky but being mature



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2005-07-27 8:23 AM
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help_im_drowning - 2005-07-22 11:55 AM Ok, In January this year my wife of 5 years tells me that we need to loose weight. I agreed and we went to WW for help. Having an addictive personality I started dropping weight like sweat on a hot days run. I was eating right and working out like a mad man. My wife was eating ok but not exercising at all. About 8 weeks into the program we decided to stop going, as it was getting too expensive. I continued to eat right and exercise and she stopped all together. I have been training for my first triathlon coming up in September and my wife is feeling like we are growing apart. She is concerned that this will take over my life and she will not be a part of my future. I have spoken to her about this and assured her that I have no intentions of becoming a true triathlete as I will be bulking up after Septembers race. She is not convinced and I am having a hard time dealing with both the motivation needed to train and my personal life being disrupted. I am sure others have been in this situation. Any advice would be great. Thanks,

I had this difficult discussion with my wife in March.

Basically, I shared with her my dreams of the future.  I told her that the thing that I am looking forward to the most is growing old with her and arriving at the day where we can sit on the porch together in evening, sipping wine, and holding hands.  That's my dream for my wife and I.  I then told her that I was worried that, unless she changed some things about her life, we would never realize this dream.  I tried to be as delicate as possible, but it still made her cry.  We talked about what I thought she needed to do to shape up physically.

How did it end up?  We bough her first bike, a Specialized Allez Elite, later that month and she's training for her first century in November.

Here's the key: Make sure she knows that you are trying to improve YOUR future.  You're not asking her to get thinner to be more appealing; you're not asking her to get involved because it makes you feel better; you're doing this to improve BOTH YOUR futures by giving you more time and a better quality of time together.

2005-07-27 12:23 PM
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My husband's training got me interested in the sport as well. At first, I was jealous of the time away, but now, whenever I hear about what certain training he's doing/ has done, it motivates me to get out and train too. I mean, I feel like a couch slug compared to him, but I'm trying. And seeing the effects of MY training on him, that it makes him so happy, makes me happier. Not to mention, I feel SOOOOO much better after I train. Not so much during, but definitely after!! And I, too, have visions of my husband and I, old and grey, sitting on the front porch, rocking, watching our grandchildren play in the front yard. If changing my lifestyle is what it takes to achieve that goal, then I'll do what I need to. HTH
2005-07-27 12:26 PM
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help_im_drowning - 2005-07-22 11:55 AM Ok, In January this year my wife of 5 years tells me that we need to loose weight. I agreed and we went to WW for help. Having an addictive personality I started dropping weight like sweat on a hot days run. I was eating right and working out like a mad man. My wife was eating ok but not exercising at all. About 8 weeks into the program we decided to stop going, as it was getting too expensive. I continued to eat right and exercise and she stopped all together. I have been training for my first triathlon coming up in September and my wife is feeling like we are growing apart. She is concerned that this will take over my life and she will not be a part of my future. I have spoken to her about this and assured her that I have no intentions of becoming a true triathlete as I will be bulking up after Septembers race. She is not convinced and I am having a hard time dealing with both the motivation needed to train and my personal life being disrupted. I am sure others have been in this situation. Any advice would be great. Thanks,

I had this difficult discussion with my wife in March.

Basically, I shared with her my dreams of the future.  I told her that the thing that I am looking forward to the most is growing old with her and arriving at the day where we can sit on the porch together in evening, sipping wine, and holding hands.  That's my dream for my wife and I.  I then told her that I was worried that, unless she changed some things about her life, we would never realize this dream.  I tried to be as delicate as possible, but it still made her cry.  We talked about what I thought she needed to do to shape up physically.

How did it end up?  We bough her first bike, a Specialized Allez Elite, later that month and she's training for her first century in November.

Here's the key: Make sure she knows that you are trying to improve YOUR future.  You're not asking her to get thinner to be more appealing; you're not asking her to get involved because it makes you feel better; you're doing this to improve BOTH YOUR futures by giving you more time and a better quality of time together.

Your wife has a great husband!

2005-07-27 2:30 PM
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My wife tried to make herself a runner, but she never did like it that much. It is pure pain for her. Fortunately, she found out that she likes aerobics classes at the gym and has discovered backpacking. You won't find me doing either of those things. I don't complain about the price of her new tent, and she bites her tongue when I get my new road bike.

If walking/running doesn't work out for her, maybe she'll find something else that does, but it seems clear that she needs something to help her become active. I was the worst person in the world for her to run with...bad for both of us. You shouldn't have to be responsible for her success.

What do her friends do? If she finds things to do with people she likes, then it won't seem like work for her. My wife likes the gym for the social aspect, and she gets motivation from working out in a room full of people. Solitary runs were never going to work for her. Your wife needs something fun that provides her with her own motivation.
2005-07-29 9:58 AM
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My wife and and I have each been on both sides of this issue. When we were dating, I resented her Karate as it took up time during the week, and she resented my sailing as it took up weekends. I tried Karate and she tried sailing - it did not work. When we got married, I gave up sailing. She was more important to me than a specific sport (but we still did "health" stuff). A few months later, she asked to go sailing. Then, she asked to go to a race. 6 months later, we won a national championship TOGETHER. What I am trying to say is, once she knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she was the most important thing in the world to me she
WANTED to try the things that I liked.

Today, 12 years and 3 kids later, she is into aerobics and I'm not. I like running, biking, and swimming and she doesn't. We have each tried the others sports but have decided to do our own. Our compromise is that we support each other, and in the mornings we work out together before the kids get up by me riding a stationary bike or running on a treadmill while she does aerobics.

Our vision that keeps us focused on diet and exercise is that we both want to play tag with our grandchildren - and win.

You can have a wonderful marriage and a healthy body - just keep putting as much practice into the marriage as you do the training.



2005-07-29 10:14 AM
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Timm - 2005-07-29 8:58 AM


Our vision that keeps us focused on diet and exercise is that we both want to play tag with our grandchildren - and win.




This is the smartest thing I have ever read on BT. Might even become my sig (whith the author's permission of course!!)
2005-07-29 11:29 AM
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Tim,

That's awsome. After starting this couch to 5K program which I will probably modify a little as I am not sure she has any interest in being a runner. She has totally changed her attitude about things. I pack her a breakfast bar in the morning and a snack (she never eat anything until lunch before). Last night she didn't get home until after 9pm and first thing she said was let me change for our walk (I just about shed a tear). She trully seems to want to change now. Things are going very well right now. I understand that this is the first week and things do change but I have faith in her and I believe she now does too. A good friend of ours (female) came over yesterday and picked up a schedule of classes for our gym. She is probably going to join and start taking some kind of classes. Someone else helping to motivate her will certainly help.

Again thanks for all the great advice. I will not be putting off my tri and she is starting to look forward to beeing in a more healthy state of mind and body. I'll keep you all posted.

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2005-07-29 12:02 PM
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Thanks for the compliment. The quote is all yours if you want it.
2005-07-29 3:35 PM
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If you have lost interest, just admit it.  Don't go looking to blame it on the other person.  Just own it.



Doesn't sound to me like it's an issue of interest as much as it is her past track record. That certainly doesn't mean he shouldn't be supportive. Not that I've gone through the same scenario, but my wife has told me "You have to make me do blank or I won't do it" - then when I do pressure her it turns into a big argument. My point is that Dave should be supportive of her efforts, but it should not be his resposibility to "make" her work out.

BTW, Dave - Sorry for talking like you're in the other room or something, I just didn't know how else to say it. I hope things are going well.
2005-07-29 5:50 PM
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help_im_drowning - 2005-07-23 12:22 PM
The biggest problem I face is that I was built to be a linebacker not a runner.


That's okay, I was built to be a keg of beer. Or a tackling dummy, it we're going to continue the football theme.

Good luck, help_im_drowning. Lots of kayaks and course safety folks here at BT to keep you afloat.


2005-08-02 10:17 AM
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That is tough.... She has to realize that loosing weight is a matter of changing a lifestyle (not just a diet). You have to realize that changing one addiction for another is not healthy.
Yes, you may be growing apart. Couples go through cycles. You pull apart, then get back together. Remember the 7 year ich? Yes, that is not a urban myth starts around year #5.
I think that you guys are going through something deeper, you two have to look into the rooth of the problem, not just a matter of loosing weight vs stay fat. I've been there, look for professional help, an unbiased 3rd party that can help you guys to dig into the real problems.
Good luck!
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