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2019-09-26 10:54 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Is it OK to mock 4th graders in San Fran being let out of school to march and chant "who do we hate....TRUMP".Liberals always employ children.....that's sick. |
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2019-09-27 7:43 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by tuwood temperatures have been fairly stagnant the past 20 years. do you have a source for this ? Definitely in contradiction with https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/Stagnant was probably a poor choice of words on my part. It has been increasing, but very slowly and much slower than any of the models predicted. In comparison to the alarmist models, it's "stagnant", but overall it's increased slightly. Fake news existed in 1912 You need more coal mines. (71921103_10106892388395234_6873488905434300416_o.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 71921103_10106892388395234_6873488905434300416_o.jpg (86KB - 17 downloads) |
2019-09-27 8:22 AM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN It's official, we're all going to die. But the Earth will not. The Earth will always sustain life. |
2019-09-27 11:03 AM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by tuwood Fake news existed in 1912 You need more coal mines. Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by tuwood temperatures have been fairly stagnant the past 20 years. do you have a source for this ? Definitely in contradiction with https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/Stagnant was probably a poor choice of words on my part. It has been increasing, but very slowly and much slower than any of the models predicted. In comparison to the alarmist models, it's "stagnant", but overall it's increased slightly. lol, so the warming of the first half of the 20th century was coal plants huh? haha, I have to admit that's the first time I've heard that one. ;-) Here's the nasa data on CO2 concentration for the last century+ so you can see the raw data yourself. https://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/ghgases/Fig1A.ext.txt CO2 has increased at a rate of more the 300% more the second half of the 20th century vs the first, but the warming was still fairly consistent overall. If anything it's yet another datapoint that shows CO2 may not be anywhere near as much a forcing agent as was once thought. It absolutely contributes, but from what research has shown us it's been overstated. |
2019-09-27 11:47 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by tuwood Fake news existed in 1912 You need more coal mines. Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by tuwood temperatures have been fairly stagnant the past 20 years. do you have a source for this ? Definitely in contradiction with https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/Stagnant was probably a poor choice of words on my part. It has been increasing, but very slowly and much slower than any of the models predicted. In comparison to the alarmist models, it's "stagnant", but overall it's increased slightly. lol, so the warming of the first half of the 20th century was coal plants huh? haha, I have to admit that's the first time I've heard that one. ;-) Here's the nasa data on CO2 concentration for the last century+ so you can see the raw data yourself. https://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/ghgases/Fig1A.ext.txt CO2 has increased at a rate of more the 300% more the second half of the 20th century vs the first, but the warming was still fairly consistent overall. If anything it's yet another datapoint that shows CO2 may not be anywhere near as much a forcing agent as was once thought. It absolutely contributes, but from what research has shown us it's been overstated. Whoa, way out of my league. Need to let Greta respond to this one! AGW? Alarmist Global Warming? |
2019-09-27 11:59 AM in reply to: Rogillio |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN One of the big oil companies, I think Exon-Mobile has a commercial where their chemists are looking for ways to take CO2 out of the atmosphere. At first thought it sounds great. My second thought was for earthing to start mucking with the atmosphere on a global level sounds like the epitome of arrogance. What if we drop the CO2 level too much and plants start dying!? Or we get too much UV thru the atmosphere and we all get skin cancer? Or maybe we send the climate into a death spiral that we cannot stop. Then we’d have to feed cows backed beans to get them to fart more. Sea levels would drop beaches would dry up and Cubans could walk to FL on dry land. Whatever happens, like LB says, the planet will survive...sans a few billion people. |
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2019-09-27 12:34 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Lemmee see here........I'm gonna guess the age of the average Climate activist at 40......give or take a few but it makes the math easier. Those experts on our planet's climate have been on Earth for .0000000089% of it's existence. I wish the Earth could laugh.....it would have to be the greatest belly laugh ever. |
2019-09-27 4:48 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
, Arizona | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by Rogillio My second thought was for earthing to start mucking with the atmosphere on a global level sounds like the epitome of arrogance. It's quite ironic that you would say something like that. What exactly do you think we are doing now with adding hundreds of billions of tons of co2 and methane (among other greenhouse gases) that would not have been in the atmosphere without human intervention? Life will continue on earth no matter how bad we screw things up, but that's a poor excuse to change nothing about our behavior and become the primary cause for this ages mass extinction. If you want to give the finger to your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, that's fine. At least own up to to the epitome of arrogance then. Every time I see this topic come up I'm reminded of this comic: https://imgur.com/r/energy/up6yu |
2019-09-27 5:27 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Let's do this.....let's REALLY make a difference and quit using fossil fuels tomorrow.....just stop and "save the earth".....I'm in!! Most of the world's population will be gone in 6 months.....in the big cities it'll be about 30 days. I'll use what resources I have just to try to hang on and REALLY throw the finger up. I'm not listening until the green theatrics are done......until then, or 12 years when it's too late (LMAO), I'm a NO. There has not been a SINGLE workable plan proposed....just a bunch of hot air and talk about spending money that nobody has. Let the Libs run the show and poor people will be the big losers....just like in every big city now. Let me know when the adults start discussing how to rein it in......not these sound bite idiots looking for "likes" on their social media accounts while they line their pockets spewing fear. Now....get off my lawn!!
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2019-09-27 6:41 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Goldman Sachs....bunch of libs:-) https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/goldman-sachs-climat... |
2019-09-27 6:47 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by tuwood Whoa, way out of my league. Need to let Greta respond to this one! AGW? Alarmist Global Warming? Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by tuwood Fake news existed in 1912 You need more coal mines. Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by tuwood temperatures have been fairly stagnant the past 20 years. do you have a source for this ? Definitely in contradiction with https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/Stagnant was probably a poor choice of words on my part. It has been increasing, but very slowly and much slower than any of the models predicted. In comparison to the alarmist models, it's "stagnant", but overall it's increased slightly. lol, so the warming of the first half of the 20th century was coal plants huh? haha, I have to admit that's the first time I've heard that one. ;-) Here's the nasa data on CO2 concentration for the last century+ so you can see the raw data yourself. https://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/ghgases/Fig1A.ext.txt CO2 has increased at a rate of more the 300% more the second half of the 20th century vs the first, but the warming was still fairly consistent overall. If anything it's yet another datapoint that shows CO2 may not be anywhere near as much a forcing agent as was once thought. It absolutely contributes, but from what research has shown us it's been overstated. good guess, but it's actually not a disparaging term. There's no question humans have an effect, it's just a matter of how much. |
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2019-09-27 6:54 PM in reply to: Rogillio |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by Rogillio One of the big oil companies, I think Exon-Mobile has a commercial where their chemists are looking for ways to take CO2 out of the atmosphere. At first thought it sounds great. My second thought was for earthing to start mucking with the atmosphere on a global level sounds like the epitome of arrogance. What if we drop the CO2 level too much and plants start dying!? Or we get too much UV thru the atmosphere and we all get skin cancer? Or maybe we send the climate into a death spiral that we cannot stop. Then we’d have to feed cows backed beans to get them to fart more. Sea levels would drop beaches would dry up and Cubans could walk to FL on dry land. Whatever happens, like LB says, the planet will survive...sans a few billion people. Everything we do has side effects, but it takes a monumental shift for it to even register though. The benefits of increased CO2 have taken all mankind's combined burning of fossil fuels for 100 years to change. Crazy to think about. |
2019-09-27 6:54 PM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by marcagGoldman Sachs....bunch of libs:-)https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/goldman-sachs-climate-change-threatens-new-york-tokyo-lagos-cities-2019-9-1028552494 I'd be more than happy to listen to any ideas they have. |
2019-09-27 7:01 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by Left Brain Lemmee see here........I'm gonna guess the age of the average Climate activist at 40......give or take a few but it makes the math easier. Those experts on our planet's climate have been on Earth for .0000000089% of it's existence. I wish the Earth could laugh.....it would have to be the greatest belly laugh ever. The earth's temperature is a really weird metric in general because what is "the earth's temperature". Watch the local weather tonight and you'll notice there are 50 weather stations that all have different temperatures that sometimes vary as much as 10°F across 20-30 miles. The US alone has added 4M miles of paved roads that all generate more heat than the dirt that was replaced. Urban "islands" where hundreds of thousands of homes are all churning out heat day and night are all adding heat and absorbing more solar heat, etc. There are 1000 things that have changed on our planet (including the use of fossil fuels) that all contribute to the climate over the past 100 years, but our truly accurate measurements have only existed for a little over 20 years. Quite simply, we have no idea what rate of increase we've had in global "temperature" over the past 1M years because we don't have sattelites to compare data against. We have to "guess" on the old data and compare it to the new more accurate data. |
2019-09-27 7:31 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Tony, just stop......our time here on Earth is more important to the Earth than any other time in it's 4.5 billion year history.....geez, ask any kid.... or Liberal. |
2019-09-27 7:46 PM in reply to: Synon |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by Synon Originally posted by Rogillio My second thought was for earthing to start mucking with the atmosphere on a global level sounds like the epitome of arrogance. It's quite ironic that you would say something like that. What exactly do you think we are doing now with adding hundreds of billions of tons of co2 and methane (among other greenhouse gases) that would not have been in the atmosphere without human intervention? Life will continue on earth no matter how bad we screw things up, but that's a poor excuse to change nothing about our behavior and become the primary cause for this ages mass extinction. If you want to give the finger to your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, that's fine. At least own up to to the epitome of arrogance then. Every time I see this topic come up I'm reminded of this comic: https://imgur.com/r/energy/up6yuWhat if you're the one trying to give them the finger and increased CO2 and warmer temperatures are actually going to make a more vibrant and productive earth for our grandchildren and great grandchildren?
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2019-09-27 7:47 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by Left Brain Tony, just stop......our time here on Earth is more important to the Earth than any other time in it's 4.5 billion year history.....geez, ask any kid.... or Liberal. I know I know, but if it saves one child... |
2019-09-27 8:50 PM in reply to: tuwood |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by tuwood ......then that could be one more protester.Originally posted by Left Brain Tony, just stop......our time here on Earth is more important to the Earth than any other time in it's 4.5 billion year history.....geez, ask any kid.... or Liberal. I know I know, but if it saves one child... |
2019-09-28 5:56 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by Synon Originally posted by Rogillio My second thought was for earthing to start mucking with the atmosphere on a global level sounds like the epitome of arrogance. It's quite ironic that you would say something like that. What exactly do you think we are doing now with adding hundreds of billions of tons of co2 and methane (among other greenhouse gases) that would not have been in the atmosphere without human intervention? Life will continue on earth no matter how bad we screw things up, but that's a poor excuse to change nothing about our behavior and become the primary cause for this ages mass extinction. If you want to give the finger to your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, that's fine. At least own up to to the epitome of arrogance then. Every time I see this topic come up I'm reminded of this comic: https://imgur.com/r/energy/up6yuWhat if you're the one trying to give them the finger and increased CO2 and warmer temperatures are actually going to make a more vibrant and productive earth for our grandchildren and great grandchildren?
Do you sincerely believe climate change may be a good thing ? |
2019-09-28 9:02 AM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by marcag What if it is? What if this is exactly how mankind is supposed to evolve? I mean, I realize that all these folks that have been here that .000000000086% of the time have all the answers......but what if they don't? It's not like they've never been wrong. LMAOOriginally posted by tuwood Do you sincerely believe climate change may be a good thing ?Originally posted by Synon Originally posted by Rogillio My second thought was for earthing to start mucking with the atmosphere on a global level sounds like the epitome of arrogance. It's quite ironic that you would say something like that. What exactly do you think we are doing now with adding hundreds of billions of tons of co2 and methane (among other greenhouse gases) that would not have been in the atmosphere without human intervention? Life will continue on earth no matter how bad we screw things up, but that's a poor excuse to change nothing about our behavior and become the primary cause for this ages mass extinction. If you want to give the finger to your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, that's fine. At least own up to to the epitome of arrogance then. Every time I see this topic come up I'm reminded of this comic: https://imgur.com/r/energy/up6yuWhat if you're the one trying to give them the finger and increased CO2 and warmer temperatures are actually going to make a more vibrant and productive earth for our grandchildren and great grandchildren?
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2019-09-29 8:04 PM in reply to: marcag |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by marcag Originally posted by tuwood Do you sincerely believe climate change may be a good thing ? Originally posted by Synon Originally posted by Rogillio My second thought was for earthing to start mucking with the atmosphere on a global level sounds like the epitome of arrogance. It's quite ironic that you would say something like that. What exactly do you think we are doing now with adding hundreds of billions of tons of co2 and methane (among other greenhouse gases) that would not have been in the atmosphere without human intervention? Life will continue on earth no matter how bad we screw things up, but that's a poor excuse to change nothing about our behavior and become the primary cause for this ages mass extinction. If you want to give the finger to your children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, that's fine. At least own up to to the epitome of arrogance then. Every time I see this topic come up I'm reminded of this comic: https://imgur.com/r/energy/up6yuWhat if you're the one trying to give them the finger and increased CO2 and warmer temperatures are actually going to make a more vibrant and productive earth for our grandchildren and great grandchildren?
Which "change" are you referring to? Warming or cooling? Historically cooling has been very devastating to all global life and warmer periods have been the most productive and strongest growth periods of life. In the past 20 years we have had far less severe storms, increased food production, and fewer deaths from cold in the winter. I'm being a little fecetious, but with observable data we have the increased temperatures of the past century have had mostly positive effects and very few negatives (if any). Just remember, far more people die from the cold than they do from the heat. That alone is pretty compelling. So, yes based on observable data I do believe a warmer earth would be far healthier overall for those that inhabit it. |
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2019-09-30 12:08 AM in reply to: tuwood |
, Arizona | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Historically cooling has been very devastating to all global life and warmer periods have been the most productive and strongest growth periods of life. Historically the temps have been gradual changes, not hockey sticking upward. https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbi... Not to mention the rate of change being one of the most deadly aspects. Plants obviously can't just choose where to migrate when conditions become unsuitable for survival. If changes occur faster than they can propagate to new areas with ideal conditions that can be hundreds of miles (or more) away they can quickly be at risk for extinction, many alpine plants are especially at risk. Animals will have to cope with drastic changes to food sources and also are at risk. In the past 20 years we have had far less severe storms, increased food production, and fewer deaths from cold in the winter. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/nacem/ Your claim about severe weather is simply not true. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-He... Heat already kills more people than any other natural disaster per year (floods, hurricanes, tornado, lightning) and many times more than cold, increasing temps isn't exactly going to help that. So, yes based on observable data I do believe a warmer earth would be far healthier overall for those that inhabit it. Most of what you've said is untrue, I can only guess at the reasons why you would even make such claims. Life has coped with variations of climate in the past, evolution can keep species alive given enough time. Rog already described it well, what we are doing is the epitome of arrogance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction |
2019-09-30 9:36 AM in reply to: Synon |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: 16 year old Greta speaking on climate change at UN Originally posted by Synon Historically cooling has been very devastating to all global life and warmer periods have been the most productive and strongest growth periods of life. Historically the temps have been gradual changes, not hockey sticking upward. https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbi... Not to mention the rate of change being one of the most deadly aspects. Plants obviously can't just choose where to migrate when conditions become unsuitable for survival. If changes occur faster than they can propagate to new areas with ideal conditions that can be hundreds of miles (or more) away they can quickly be at risk for extinction, many alpine plants are especially at risk. Animals will have to cope with drastic changes to food sources and also are at risk. In the past 20 years we have had far less severe storms, increased food production, and fewer deaths from cold in the winter. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/nacem/Your claim about severe weather is simply not true. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which-Kills-More-People-Extreme-He... Heat already kills more people than any other natural disaster per year (floods, hurricanes, tornado, lightning) and many times more than cold, increasing temps isn't exactly going to help that. So, yes based on observable data I do believe a warmer earth would be far healthier overall for those that inhabit it. Most of what you've said is untrue, I can only guess at the reasons why you would even make such claims. Life has coped with variations of climate in the past, evolution can keep species alive given enough time. Rog already described it well, what we are doing is the epitome of arrogance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinctionQuoting Michael man's debunked "hockey stick" tells me a little bit about where you're getting your information from. Here's a talk from a couple months ago by Dr. Willie Soon. He's an astrophysicist and aerospace engineer for the Harvard Smithsonian Center. |
2019-09-30 11:56 AM in reply to: tuwood |
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2019-09-30 12:12 PM in reply to: tuwood |
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