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yes, sasquatch is real8 Votes - [27.59%]
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2006-02-23 10:44 AM
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2006-02-23 10:44 AM
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Opus - 2006-02-23 10:27 AM

Is there anything provable, anything conclusive that could persuade the majority of natural scientists of the existence of sasquatch? No, that's why eyewitness reports and circumstantial "evidence" is cited so often.


it is true that no positive proof has been found, other than footprints (which can be faked), nests (which can also be faked), and hairs (only a few of which proved to be of primate origin, the rest were bear, elk, etc). HOWEVER, just because stories are the foundation doesn't mean they don't exist. again, in the case of the mountain gorilla, no one believed they were real because all they had were stories and native legends. prior to 1900, until western men saw gorillas for themselves, mountain gorillas were considered just stories, just like the yeti and sasquatch.
2006-02-23 10:47 AM
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Chuck Norris keeps two Bigfoots as pets.
2006-02-23 10:49 AM
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They exist because he allows them to.

running2far - 2006-02-23 10:47 AM Chuck Norris keeps two Bigfoots as pets.

2006-02-23 10:52 AM
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courtney_leone - 2006-02-23 11:44 AM

Opus - 2006-02-23 10:27 AM
courtney_leone - 2006-02-23 11:14 AM I think most of the people that do see bigfoot are nonbelievers UNTIL they see something. If I saw something freaky run across they road or if some huge mammal chased me through the woods, that would definitely change my mind. Wouldn't that make anyone think twice?
As I said, it is impossible to prove a negative. Do UFOs exist? I don't think so, but I can't prove it. Do Oompaloopas exist? I doubt it, but I can't prove it. Do hobbits exist? Probably not, but I can't prove it. Do fairies exist, and if so, how many can dance on the head of a pin? I could go on, but if you're predisposed to believe something (the colon cleansing thread in the Injuries and Health comes to mind) nothing I can say can make you believe otherwise. Is there anything provable, anything conclusive that could persuade the majority of natural scientists of the existence of sasquatch? No, that's why eyewitness reports and circumstantial "evidence" is cited so often.

Hey, its all in good fun Relax.....take a deep breath....



I am having fun. If I gave the impression that I'm getting worked up, I'm not.

I'm getting hungry. I think I'll have suckling Oompaloopa for lunch.
2006-02-23 10:52 AM
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Last week, Japanese scientists explaced... placed explosive detonators at the bottom of Lake Loch Ness to blow Nessie out of the water. Sir Godfrey of the Nessie Alliance summoned the help of Scotland's local wizards to cast a protective spell over the lake and its local residents and all those who seek for the peaceful existence of our underwater ally.


2006-02-23 10:57 AM
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no, i don't think homo floresiensis enjoyed 'second breakfast'

i do think it illustrates a concept though - that many stories, myths, and legend come from true beings. i don't think its fair to assume something did not exist or does not exist, simply based on the fact that the only evidence IS story. humans love to tell stories, and 'little people' are part of that tradition. it could be that stories about small creatures stemmed from finding bones of a homo floresiensis just as stories of MYTHICAL dragons were inspired by REAL dinosaur bones, stories of the MYTHICAL griffon were probably inspired by REAL ceratopsian dinosaur bones, stories of MYTHICAL unicorns were inspired by finding REAL narwhal tusks, stories of the mythical manticore was inspired by REAL tigers, stories of a mythical 'huge dark man' in rwanda were inspired by the REAL mountain gorilla. i could go on, but hopefully you get my point. storied often have a basis in reality, even if the story doesn't reflect the true reality. what we think we know of 'bigfoot' probably isn't the reality of what the creature is. there are only theories at this point, but i think there enough stories across time, cultures, and socio-economic boundaries (and within specific geographic boundries), that it is worth thinking about.
2006-02-23 10:58 AM
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i think i'll have a second breakfast and shave my feet.

this is all in fun...and very fun to argue about.
2006-02-23 10:58 AM
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autumn - 2006-02-23 11:44 AM

it is true that no positive proof has been found, other than footprints (which can be faked), nests (which can also be faked), and hairs (only a few of which proved to be of primate origin, the rest were bear, elk, etc). HOWEVER, just because stories are the foundation doesn't mean they don't exist. again, in the case of the mountain gorilla, no one believed they were real because all they had were stories and native legends. prior to 1900, until western men saw gorillas for themselves, mountain gorillas were considered just stories, just like the yeti and sasquatch.


You're right. I cannot prove that they don't exist. I would be really stoked if they did. On the other hand, I'd be really stoked if a bunch of things existed that I don't believe exist.

I wonder, though, if they have found nests, wouldn't if follow that they would have found great quantities of hair and other dna in the nests? Also, wouldn't people at least have stumbled across their caca, which would also contain their dna?
2006-02-23 11:01 AM
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YES! see, napoleon believes. that should be good enough for all, don't you think?



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2006-02-23 11:03 AM
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2006-02-23 11:03 AM
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2006-02-23 11:03 AM
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oh, and LIGERS are real! i don't know if they really are breed for their skills in magic.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0804_050804_ligers....



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2006-02-23 11:09 AM
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its supposed to be the same animal as sasquatch. there are reportings all of the country, but florida is up there with some of the most sightings (78 reported). washington, oregon, and northern california have the most reports...but florida, texas, and ohio also have a lot.
2006-02-23 11:09 AM
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autumn - 2006-02-23 11:44 AM
Opus - 2006-02-23 10:27 AM Is there anything provable, anything conclusive that could persuade the majority of natural scientists of the existence of sasquatch? No, that's why eyewitness reports and circumstantial "evidence" is cited so often.
it is true that no positive proof has been found, other than footprints (which can be faked), nests (which can also be faked), and hairs (only a few of which proved to be of primate origin, the rest were bear, elk, etc). HOWEVER, just because stories are the foundation doesn't mean they don't exist. again, in the case of the mountain gorilla, no one believed they were real because all they had were stories and native legends. prior to 1900, until western men saw gorillas for themselves, mountain gorillas were considered just stories, just like the yeti and sasquatch.

Just to stir the pot...  Oranguatans. The name comes from the Indonesian
'orang hutan', which means, literally, 'forest person'. The folks in Sumatra saw them as forest people.  And when the Dutch came over, they didn't believe in them either, even when they saw the enormous damage they can do when they're mad. Orangs are very, very strong. They could kick Chuck Norris'

2006-02-23 11:20 AM
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they are VERY strong. my preschooler takes classes at the local zoo, and we just took an oranguatan class. the zoo keeper says that while they are gentle, they still can't go into their habitat because they could easily knock a human over and cause injury without even trying. same goes for the gorillas.

that reminds me of yet ANOTHER primate western science hasn't recognized as being real - also called the 'jungle yeti', the orang pendak. all they have are footprints and few hairs (sound familiar?):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3734946.stm


2006-02-23 11:40 AM
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This gives me an idea...

I'm going to Tahiti to discover a man-ape there. I will raise funds and spend years and years trying to prove its existence. This man-ape will be found near the island's best surf spots, in fact, he will be known to occasionally lurk beneath the waves. Surfers will have spotted him on occasion. He will be about the size of a normal man, and will have been seen raiding the beer coolers of beach goers.

The name of the primate will be Homo Helpus Surfforfreepithacus.
2006-02-23 11:50 AM
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"The great 19th-century American naturalist Louis Agassiz once held that "[e]ach time that a new and surprising fact is revealed by science, people say first that 'it is not true,' then, that it 'disagrees with religion,' and, finally, that 'everyone has always known it.'" Those who hold no truck with notions of Nessie or Sasquatch or the Abominable Snowman may do well to consider these words, just as they may do well to remember the story of that fantastic antelope-donkey-anteater-giraffe, the okapi." Peter Tyson is Online Producer of NOVA.

here's a great article from 'nova' producer peter tyson chronicaling some of the mythic creatures that turned out to be real: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lochness/creatures.html
2006-02-23 12:00 PM
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autumn - 2006-02-23 12:50 PM

"The great 19th-century American naturalist Louis Agassiz once held that "[e]ach time that a new and surprising fact is revealed by science, people say first that 'it is not true,' then, that it 'disagrees with religion,' and, finally, that 'everyone has always known it.'" Those who hold no truck with notions of Nessie or Sasquatch or the Abominable Snowman may do well to consider these words, just as they may do well to remember the story of that fantastic antelope-donkey-anteater-giraffe, the okapi." Peter Tyson is Online Producer of NOVA.


Yes, I guess the same could be said for UFOs, and any other odd little or big creature not yet discovered. I have no doubt that some new species will be discovered in the future. Particularly in the world's more hostile and remote environments.

I will believe if and when somebody provides proof. Until then, I will put it where I think it belongs, with UFOs and the belief that the trip to the moon was fabricated in Hollywood.
2006-02-23 12:06 PM
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sounds like a plan! actually, the malaysian government is actively researching a possible bigfoot like primate called the "orang dalam" that so far has only been seen by natives so far. how's the surfing in malaysia?
2006-02-23 12:16 PM
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I think we should ask Lara if we can use her place and go on an expedition to find big foot.

 



2006-02-23 12:17 PM
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autumn - 2006-02-23 1:06 PM

sounds like a plan! actually, the malaysian government is actively researching a possible bigfoot like primate called the "orang dalam" that so far has only been seen by natives so far. how's the surfing in malaysia?


Good question. Not so good on the East coast, as far as I could tell.
2006-02-23 12:27 PM
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there have been 75 reports in new york, 4 near rochester, so we could use your house!
2006-02-23 12:29 PM
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okay, i believe - but this is funny anyway!

http://zapatopi.net/bsa/militia/
2006-02-23 12:38 PM
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In search of Sasquatch,
that was a kick-ass In Search Of
with Leonard Nimoy
kickin' out the jams...ha!
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