Joe Paterno (Page 2)

rough crowd...

As we should be.  The man stood by and did nothing while little boys were getting raped.  Sure, he told his boss, but if you were in that same situation, would you just tell your boss and then let it go?  I sure hope not.

the guy just died...

he admitted he should have done more...

are you really that lacking in compassion???

Where was his compassion for the boys?????

He was a coach, a mentor, an example.  Like it or not when you coach that is part of the job.  Anyone who has coached will agree with me that you are responsible for shaping young people while they are in your care.  The example he set was that he really didn't care about the kids.  He cared about football more.  Cronyism, politics, and winning football games were more important.

I get the whole confusion and surprise when he found out.  I can understand the shock and disbelief and not knowing what to do.  But guess what...... he was a grown man...... put on your big girl panties and figure it the eff out!  But I'm pretty sure he knew what to do, he just chose not to.  Is it really that complicated or hard to figure out what to do??????????

He had 7 years to "do more" and chose not to.  Are we supposed to believe that now that it's out in the press that he all of the sudden just had this epiphany about what the right thing was to do?  Does it make it ok, now that he's just passed away?  Frankly, I don't know what his passing away has to do with anything, to be honest.

Everybody makes mistakes.  But this was a pretty gosh darn big one.  They say the true measure of man is what he does when no one is looking.  We have a glimpse of what JoePa does.

I expressed my criticism of Coach Paterno earlier.  To dance on his grave now is, in my opinion, tacky.

that's all I'm sayin'...

do we really need to rehash after the guy just passed away???

where do you get this info that all he cared about was football??

you're really gonna generalize and say this is an example of what he does when nobody's looking??

really??

May you be judged with the same fervor as you judge.

took the words right out of my mouth... but I was going to go with "let he has no sin cast the first stone..."

either way same message...

That is the conclusion I draw from his actions.  Maybe he cared more about his own image than what happened to those kids.  I don't know.  I say football because he coached until he was dead basically.  I don't think it's a far stretch.  I will concede it was probably a bit of a low blow.  What seems apparent is that he cared more about something else than making sure something like that didn't happen to anyone else.

I said it's a glimpse.  One action does not sum up a man, but it is part of the whole.

yes really.

FYI, My qualm is not necessarily with any discussion surrounding JoePa, but the idea that somehow he deserves compassion because he died.  100% of the population dies.  he doesn't know any different right now.  His family, now that is a different story.  I completely agree with the idea that his family deserves some compassion right now.  they are living through heartfelt grief and sorrow.  But JoePa is dead and feeling nothing right now.  you could argue he's even gotten off easy with leaving his family behind to deal with what is said.  The idea that somehow you can't say whatever your opinion is because for some reason his death grants him some sort of reprieve is lost on me.  He did/didn't do whatever he did/didn't do.  His being alive or dead doesn't change any of that.

I'm fine with expressing opinions but that was done three months ago...

I expected to open the thread and see at least a few compassionate comments and instead saw a few if not more nasty nasty comments...

just not necessary....

I don't think anyone intended to imply that he deserves compassion.  As you say, he is dead.  However, some people do have opinions about decorum in certain situations, including the death of a person.

I'm not sure how else to read the below:

It appears to me that is exactly what the author intended to imply.

x3. RIP Joe Pa.

I understood it to imply compassion for the situation.  Namely, a man just died.  As I said, some people think there are appropriate reactions to the situation and inappropriate reactions.  But, everyone's different.

thanks... basically, the guy's just died and if you don't have anything nice to say about a person immediately after their passing why say anything?

it's just common courtesy

While I agree that JoePa's involvement/inaction in the Sandusky scandal is downright shameful, you are completely ignoring 46 years of far more than winning football games.  Years of charitable donations to PSU and the community.  Years of discipline in scholarship, not just athletics.  Years of refusing pay raises to help give back to the college.  I don't look at him as a hero just because he won games, I don't say we should ignore his bad choices, but you really don't know much if you don't recognize what he DID for the university over the years.

And I even hate Penn State and can still say that.

I hadn't realized that compassion and common courtesy were provided to situations themselves.  I only know of times and instances where individuals provide those to people and animals within the construct of certain situations.  (that is not sarcasm)

Now you do.

I agree with you.  He did all that stuff too.

I just think both positive and negative views are valid and that there is justification for expressing either way.  My comments were based more around compassion for a dead guy and his recent death having any relevance to those views.

But it seems to be more about the situation and less about JoePa himself I guess.  I just misunderstood.

He did do great things...Really great things.  But IMO, all the great things he did don't outweigh the bad he did involving the scandal.

Just my opinion though..I would say that those boys and their families, and a lot of other people would agree with it though...

that's all I was asking...

to express your opinion in a civil manner... I can respect your opinion now...

but in TWO of your previous posts, you called the man a terrible person and human being and at this time, that's just not necessary...

everybody raked him over the coals three months ago

no need to do it again a day after he or anybody else dies... 

What courtesy did he show for the young boys lives that were ruined? Too soon?

Also, he has known issues with Sandusky were going on since AT LEAST 1998.

RIP Joe