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2012-04-01 6:10 PM
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powerman - 2012-04-01 12:13 PM

My thoughts were the later you do the test, the lower your improvement will be. Less time form start to finish. So I think it is more of an unfair advantage if you stretch tests out further to have more time in between. Month to month will be shorter, but there is still the quarter... and this really only applies to the highest % change in W/Kg. Highest total TSS does not matter... that is only date to date from 1st of the month and three month total.

I'm going down to do my test right now. Since there is not a ton of people, I think we can just post up our totals here in the thread unless someone wants to do a spread sheet.

So if you do the assessment late, then that puts you at a disadvantage, correct?  Don't have as much time to improve, if you do the follow on with everyone else.

Recently joined the PowerTap mafia, so I was planning on a new assessment, would tonight be too late?  Full disclosure though, I'm not rested.  30/6 mile brick today, but I'm not fried either.



2012-04-01 8:36 PM
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powerman - 2012-04-01 2:34 PM

OK... It's on

FTP of 219 at 170.4 lbs gives my a FTP/Kg of

2.83 W/Kg

 

I'm trying to drop 10 pounds so hopefully that helps, and my plan of attack is going to be Jorge's FTP plan on TR. It will be a good focus for 7 weeks then probably move to Int 1 or 2 plan from there.

I already have 78 TSS points

Nice work!  I'll do my test on Tuesday.

2012-04-01 9:08 PM
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Ouch.  Just finished the 20 minute assessment, new FTP of 246, 3.49 W/kg.

FTP came down after switching from virtual power to Power Tap as the source.  Not surprised though, last week I ran both side by side, and got 30-40 W lower on Power Tap values.  Also not as rested as before, but I think most of the difference was from the VP vs. RP (Virtual Power vs. Real Poser)

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2012-04-01 9:39 PM
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tcj103 - 2012-04-01 8:08 PM

Ouch.  Just finished the 20 minute assessment, new FTP of 246, 3.49 W/kg.

FTP came down after switching from virtual power to Power Tap as the source.  Not surprised though, last week I ran both side by side, and got 30-40 W lower on Power Tap values.  Also not as rested as before, but I think most of the difference was from the VP vs. RP (Virtual Power vs. Real Poser)

http://www.trainerroad.com/career/tcj103

Ya, the numbers won't really matter, just the amount of change. I was calculating my FTP by a different calculator, so it changed a little using TR, but now the base line is established. A few days isn't going to matter one way or the other... but for now on it will have to be close with the last day of the month as the deadline.

2012-04-02 6:02 AM
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i will do mine tomorrow or wednesday.

great work everyone!!

 

2012-04-02 11:52 AM
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orphious - 2012-04-01 1:53 PM

Testing a week from Mon.  Interested to see how much or if I have improved since my 1st test.  My 1st test my FTP was 154.  About week 4 was able to bump my FTP up to 170 because the workouts just seemed to darn easy.  Dont think I tested right the 1st time.  Anywho...  Ill let ya know in a week.  Mean while do we post our workouts until then or do we have to wait to test to start posting?


You are probably just getting more fit! If this is your first time doing structured workouts on the bike improvements like that are no uncommon.


2012-04-02 11:53 AM
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3.49 on a power tap! Nice, you're a strong man.
2012-04-02 3:01 PM
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npearson99 - 2012-04-02 12:52 PM
orphious - 2012-04-01 1:53 PM Testing a week from Mon.  Interested to see how much or if I have improved since my 1st test.  My 1st test my FTP was 154.  About week 4 was able to bump my FTP up to 170 because the workouts just seemed to darn easy.  Dont think I tested right the 1st time.  Anywho...  Ill let ya know in a week.  Mean while do we post our workouts until then or do we have to wait to test to start posting?
You are probably just getting more fit! If this is your first time doing structured workouts on the bike improvements like that are no uncommon.

 

That is my hope.  I fully expected my FTP to be around 200 for the 1st test...dont know why I would think this...  Also, when adjusting the FTP in the middle of the training plans....  I am always able to push out more watts in the recovery part of the work out than what is prescibed in the plan.  I adjuted FTP by how many watts I was pushing over the recovery...Hope this makes sense.  Not sure if thats the way to go about it  and do it or if I should adjust after testing again.  I am still able to make most of the intervals with ease.  Dont get me wrong I feel I am still working hard but should they be set at a point where I feel as if I can barely make them?

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/44365  As you can see I am way over power on the recoveries.  I would virtually have to slow my cadence to <60 RMP. 

 

Sorry if this is the off topic and Ill make a new thread if need be...  justed wanted Nate's ear while I have it



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2012-04-02 3:35 PM
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Good question. You can change your FTP all the time without doing a test. That's how I like to do it. Check out this post: http://support.trainerroad.com/entries/20655088-when-should-i-raise...

For the recovery intervals, think of those as a MAX wattage to hit. You don't want to go harder on the recoveries even if you can. I can't stress this enough, don't go harder. Save that for the work intervals.

If you can hit all of those and they don't feel too hard, that's a good time to raise your FTP. Just nudge it up 5 watts.

Also look at the intensity factor (IF) for the workout. The closer it is to 1.00 for an hour long workout, the harder it is. You can see the sufferfest ones are at like .96, which is close to an all out effort. An all out effort would be 1.00.

Some sweet spot stuff may be at .83. That should feel like you worked but you can still do a workout the next day.

It's always good to push yourself too. At the sort of low volume you get with trainer rides (no one is doing 20-30 hours a week I think) you don't have to worry about over training. Usually for us age groupers life gets in the way enough to force us to skip workouts and rest a bit.

If you're just doing 3 workouts a week on the trainer though they can all (and should) be pretty hard.

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2012-04-02 6:44 PM
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Thanks for the reply and link.  I think myself and others are afraid to touch that FTP button once its set by a test.  Now do you adjust the number before during or after a workout?  I know you can raise the intensity for it  using the buttons on Computrainer (proud owner )

Ok then...  I think I am going to leave FTP where it is at right now and wait to see what my test brings me on Mon.  I don't think I could go any lower wattage on the recovery intervals with out slowing my cadence to below 40-50 rpms.  I feel like at the recovery intervals I could turn the cranks forever and not get tired.  I think if the RPMs are to low, Computrainer gets extremely difficult to pedal.

Then after my test if my FTp isn't any higher ( I suspect it will be much higher this time around)  I will have to keep adjusting until I find the sweet spot and then keep adjusting as my fitness grows.  Sounds lie there is a science to getting it right.



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2012-04-02 8:06 PM
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npearson99 - 2012-04-02 12:53 PM 3.49 on a power tap! Nice, you're a strong man.

Thanks!  I did the Intermediate Base 1 plan back in December/January, though didn't completely follow it. Some days were spin classes instead, but I was pretty good on the weekends.

Definitely saw an increase over that period, looking to build on that for the upcoming season!



2012-04-02 10:51 PM
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orphious - 2012-04-02 4:44 PM

Thanks for the reply and link.  I think myself and others are afraid to touch that FTP button once its set by a test.  Now do you adjust the number before during or after a workout?  I know you can raise the intensity for it  using the buttons on Computrainer (proud owner )

Ok then...  I think I am going to leave FTP where it is at right now and wait to see what my test brings me on Mon.  I don't think I could go any lower wattage on the recovery intervals with out slowing my cadence to below 40-50 rpms.  I feel like at the recovery intervals I could turn the cranks forever and not get tired.  I think if the RPMs are to low, Computrainer gets extremely difficult to pedal.

Then after my test if my FTp isn't any higher ( I suspect it will be much higher this time around)  I will have to keep adjusting until I find the sweet spot and then keep adjusting as my fitness grows.  Sounds lie there is a science to getting it right.



Adjust it afterwards. The workout won't change if you change your FTP during a workout.

Check out this link too:
http://alex-cycle.blogspot.com/2008/05/seven-deadly-sins.html

This is what the BIG time power guys refer to all the time. Notice how #6 is the 2nd best way. That's from just feeling how you do in intervals.

FTP doesn't change in just one workout, it's a set of workouts over time that you can accomplish an amount of work. It would probably be good to send out some e-mails about stuff like this to new users... IDEA FORMING!
2012-04-03 12:00 PM
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I'm late to the formal announcement of this challenge. I'm in, but looking at an A goal half marathon on April 14 and an A goal marathon at the end of May ... my biking may take a bit of a hit for a while. I apologize in advance for my pathetic showing.

 

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2012-04-03 12:06 PM
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Okay ... just read the thread in its entirety. I can't recall the rest of my run schedule for the week, but I think I have 11 on Wednesday and then 9 with 4 at my HM pace on Thursday. I'll look to do my initial test on Friday or Saturday. I know that's a bit late compared to those of you who have already completed the test, but it's the only way I can accommodate the runs I've got left for this week.

ETA: I'm also BernardDogs on TrainerRoad. 

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2012-04-03 6:08 PM
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My weight and ftp took a hit.  The first because I did a slight taper for Galveston, the second because I went from virtual power to a powertap. *facepalm*

Stats according to my 20 minute test are:  FTP of 170 with a weight of 130, leading to an FTP of 2.88

 

Guess I have some work to do.

2012-04-03 6:19 PM
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That's not too bad. How did Galvenston go?

I just did the 8 min test outdoors for an FTP of 220 at 184lbs which is 2.6. So you're ahead of me!

That one doesn't count for this competition though. I have to do it indoors.


2012-04-03 10:58 PM
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OK, 20 minute test complete.  New FTP of 234, and my current weight is 174 lbs.  So that gives me 2.96 W/kg.  I don't have a PowerTap, that's just the virtual power from my KK Road Machine.  Felt like a good test though, I tried to push it the last minute and i was dead at the end, nothing left.  Probably could have puked, glad I didn't since my pre-ride fuel was Taco Bell.  Yeah I know, TMI
2012-04-04 7:11 AM
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Okay ... my FTP test is now on the books for tomorrow morning. I did the 20 minute test when I first started with TR, so I'll probably do the 8 minute tomorrow ... just to compare the two.

I can't even imagine Taco Bell for a pre-race nutrition scheme. Mad respect. 
2012-04-04 8:23 AM
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My current plan doesn't have me testing for two weeks.  So I will keep you all posted, and will follow along with the thread.  TrainerRoad username: rsmoylan.  
2012-04-04 9:03 PM
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Trainerroad 20 min test# 2

 

Well, test is done, i felt like crapola, took me a bit to get going

compared to the first test i did in early Feb, this test had almost the same result, but with a different way of getting it there. I started off better the first time and faded, this time i started off and felt horrible, i almost just quit, but i did not want to do it again tomorrow, so i stuck with it, and i actually finished really strong.

old FTP  325

new FTP  326

3.35 w/kg

2012-04-04 10:08 PM
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Wow, good job.


2012-04-05 5:17 AM
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Forgive any typos ... just finished the 8 minute test. Hopefully I won't regret that for tomorrow's LT run workout. I'm still shaking.

Old FTP: 213
New FTP: 228
Weight: 192 lbs

W/Kg: 2.62

I'm hoping to hit 185lbs for my May marathon. That, combined with continued training should yield some solid results. What'll matter most is how much time in the saddle I sacrifice as I conclude marathon training. Onward! 

2012-04-05 8:25 AM
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BernardDogs - 2012-04-05 5:17 AM

Forgive any typos ... just finished the 8 minute test. Hopefully I won't regret that for tomorrow's LT run workout. I'm still shaking.

Old FTP: 213
New FTP: 228
Weight: 192 lbs

W/Kg: 2.62

I'm hoping to hit 185lbs for my May marathon. That, combined with continued training should yield some solid results. What'll matter most is how much time in the saddle I sacrifice as I conclude marathon training. Onward! 

You did the 8 min test at 5 am?  That's hardcore.  I don't think I've ever been able to go all out that early in the morning.  I'm still waking up in mid workout!

2012-04-05 1:13 PM
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Alright..I am on the board.  http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/45317

FTP: 283

W/Kg: 3.83

This is the first time I have done the 5 minute clearing as a part of the 20 minute test protocol.  I thought it would negatively effect my 20 minute performance.  I was wrong.  I thought it really helped get the legs ready for the 20 minutes.

2012-04-05 1:40 PM
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I agree. It really opens you up for that test.
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