'Legally innocent' inmates ordered freed in N.C.

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Subject: RE: 'Legally innocent' inmates ordered freed in N.C.

powerman - 2012-08-17 7:34 PM

tuwood - 2012-08-17 12:34 PM

Obviously this is not in all cases and there are a lot of people that need to go to jail, so I'm not some crazy that thinks everyones innocent. I have just experienced first hand one of these prosecutorial railroad jobs and during the process saw a lot of people without means get absolutely rocked for very minor offenses. I had means and was able to defend myself, so you can say that the system worked. But in order for me to make that system work it took three years and a boat load of money.

You mean they committed the crime, they chose to plea guilty, and they were sentenced according to the legal sentence for that offense.

Or do you mean that they were charged with a crime, they went to court to fight it, they were afforded due process under the law, they were found guilty by a jury of their peers, and they were sentenced according to legal guidelines of the offense.

I'm having a real hard time seeing what is broken here.

I know, I used to think the same way. I unfortunately had my eyes opened though.

I could give several examples but I think i've already hijacked this thread enough.

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Subject: RE: 'Legally innocent' inmates ordered freed in N.C.

tuwood - 2012-08-17 8:59 PM

powerman - 2012-08-17 7:34 PM

tuwood - 2012-08-17 12:34 PM

Obviously this is not in all cases and there are a lot of people that need to go to jail, so I'm not some crazy that thinks everyones innocent. I have just experienced first hand one of these prosecutorial railroad jobs and during the process saw a lot of people without means get absolutely rocked for very minor offenses. I had means and was able to defend myself, so you can say that the system worked. But in order for me to make that system work it took three years and a boat load of money.

You mean they committed the crime, they chose to plea guilty, and they were sentenced according to the legal sentence for that offense.

Or do you mean that they were charged with a crime, they went to court to fight it, they were afforded due process under the law, they were found guilty by a jury of their peers, and they were sentenced according to legal guidelines of the offense.

I'm having a real hard time seeing what is broken here.

I know, I used to think the same way. I unfortunately had my eyes opened though.

I could give several examples but I think i've already hijacked this thread enough.

It'd be interesting to know what happened to you because I've been involved in the criminal justice system for 25 years and, although it's not perfect, I've not seen the problems you refer to as being the norm.

That being said, I have no doubt that you could have an experience that sours you on the entire process.......it can be really stupid.

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Subject: RE: 'Legally innocent' inmates ordered freed in N.C.

tuwood - 2012-08-17 7:59 PM

powerman - 2012-08-17 7:34 PM

tuwood - 2012-08-17 12:34 PM

Obviously this is not in all cases and there are a lot of people that need to go to jail, so I'm not some crazy that thinks everyones innocent. I have just experienced first hand one of these prosecutorial railroad jobs and during the process saw a lot of people without means get absolutely rocked for very minor offenses. I had means and was able to defend myself, so you can say that the system worked. But in order for me to make that system work it took three years and a boat load of money.

You mean they committed the crime, they chose to plea guilty, and they were sentenced according to the legal sentence for that offense.

Or do you mean that they were charged with a crime, they went to court to fight it, they were afforded due process under the law, they were found guilty by a jury of their peers, and they were sentenced according to legal guidelines of the offense.

I'm having a real hard time seeing what is broken here.

I know, I used to think the same way. I unfortunately had my eyes opened though.

I could give several examples but I think i've already hijacked this thread enough.

Heck, we are still talking about sentencing. That barely qualifies for as hijack in COJ.

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Subject: RE: 'Legally innocent' inmates ordered freed in N.C.

tuwood - 2012-08-17 9:59 PM

powerman - 2012-08-17 7:34 PM

tuwood - 2012-08-17 12:34 PM

Obviously this is not in all cases and there are a lot of people that need to go to jail, so I'm not some crazy that thinks everyones innocent. I have just experienced first hand one of these prosecutorial railroad jobs and during the process saw a lot of people without means get absolutely rocked for very minor offenses. I had means and was able to defend myself, so you can say that the system worked. But in order for me to make that system work it took three years and a boat load of money.

You mean they committed the crime, they chose to plea guilty, and they were sentenced according to the legal sentence for that offense.

Or do you mean that they were charged with a crime, they went to court to fight it, they were afforded due process under the law, they were found guilty by a jury of their peers, and they were sentenced according to legal guidelines of the offense.

I'm having a real hard time seeing what is broken here.

I know, I used to think the same way. I unfortunately had my eyes opened though.

I could give several examples but I think i've already hijacked this thread enough.

My thread so I guess that means I at least get some say in whether or not it's hijacked or whether the hijack is annoying to the thread.

Nope, go on, I'm really interested too. I do believe I've been in the system deep enough to also have no clue what you're talking about. People who do not commit crimes tend to not get plea bargain offers.

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Boise, ID

Subject: RE: 'Legally innocent' inmates ordered freed in N.C.

I am interested in Tony's experience as well, I worked in the criminal justice field and my wife still does, I don't see the problems you are speaking of. 6 months to a year for trial? Not typical in my experience.

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