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 2013-06-27 10:23 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
 1300  |  Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim TimeYou make a good point here and as a BOP runner definitely not offended by the "usually don't win" because I don't....but thanks! However for someone starting out and the OP didn't say new to swimming or new to 1500 distance I believe he would be better served by getting stronger in the swim and not worrying about time yet. I think depending on the race you could place with a bad swim but then again I think we would need to agree with what constitutes a bad swim. I do agree you have to a good time in the swim to win overall but out of the 3 disciplines you can be weaker in the swim and still place. I could be way off and if so it's because of jealousy of anyone who can run under an 8:00 min mile, under 7:00 and you are a freak of nature to me and I am in aw. |
| 2013-06-27 10:28 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Master 10208  Northern IL | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by MLPFS If it's for an upcoming race for you just look at the times from the previous year. If it's just to get better swimming then what's fast for you is diferent then what's fast for someone else and depends greatly on your experience. If you really need a time to gage your inprovement I would say around 35 mins but that's kind of an arbitrary time. Unless you are going for podium in your AG or overall then not being gassed after the swim is more important. I come out of the water anywhere from 5 - 20 typically and have never come close to placing in my AG. Run and bike are more important. As it's usually noted you can't win in it in the swim. Now if you feel the need let the back door brag replies begin..... although please note I did not give any times and was trying to make a point so be kind As you work on your swim and try to advance in your AG (if that is your goal), don't ever be fooled by the idea that you can't win a triathlon with the swim. That comment usually comes from people who don't win. (no offense to MLPFS, it's certainly a line that gets used ALOT). The fact is, you can't win a triathlon with a bad swim anymore.....there may have been a day when that was more true, but those days are gone. Anymore, in any race of significance you can't win a triathlon with even a mediocre swim. The whole expression as I've understood it included "... but it can be lost" |
| 2013-06-27 10:32 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Expert 2373  Floriduh | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by MLPFS If it's for an upcoming race for you just look at the times from the previous year. If it's just to get better swimming then what's fast for you is diferent then what's fast for someone else and depends greatly on your experience. If you really need a time to gage your inprovement I would say around 35 mins but that's kind of an arbitrary time. Unless you are going for podium in your AG or overall then not being gassed after the swim is more important. I come out of the water anywhere from 5 - 20 typically and have never come close to placing in my AG. Run and bike are more important. As it's usually noted you can't win in it in the swim. Now if you feel the need let the back door brag replies begin..... although please note I did not give any times and was trying to make a point so be kind As you work on your swim and try to advance in your AG (if that is your goal), don't ever be fooled by the idea that you can't win a triathlon with the swim. That comment usually comes from people who don't win. (no offense to MLPFS, it's certainly a line that gets used ALOT). The fact is, you can't win a triathlon with a bad swim anymore.....there may have been a day when that was more true, but those days are gone. Anymore, in any race of significance you can't win a triathlon with even a mediocre swim. The whole expression as I've understood it included "... but it can be lost" +1, have seen only a few races where first out of the water won the race. However, I think Left is right (haha) an MOP swimmer probably won't podium either. |
| 2013-06-27 10:32 AM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Originally posted by MLPFS You make a good point here and as a BOP runner definitely not offended by the "usually don't win" because I don't....but thanks! However for someone starting out and the OP didn't say new to swimming or new to 1500 distance I believe he would be better served by getting stronger in the swim and not worrying about time yet. I think depending on the race you could place with a bad swim but then again I think we would need to agree with what constitutes a bad swim. I do agree you have to a good time in the swim to win overall but out of the 3 disciplines you can be weaker in the swim and still place. I could be way off and if so it's because of jealousy of anyone who can run under an 8:00 min mile, under 7:00 and you are a freak of nature to me and I am in aw. Eh....it's just a discussion and your points are well taken. My point is that it used to be a common line to basically say, "just finish the swim" and let your bike and run take over because you can't win a triathlon on the swim. Then it changed to to, you can't win a triathlon on the swim but you can certainly lose one. Now it's more along the lines of, if you want to win a triathlon (or your AG) you better be able to swim. If you want to have some fun and really learn about this sport....and I don't think any of us do it enough, go watch some really fast races when they are near you. I include myself because I never went to watch a triathlon, but I've sinced learned a ton about the sport by doing just that. I'm talking about races where if you can't swim 1:10 100's you aren't in the game. A 7 minute mile....21:00 5K? Tortoise. 23 mph on the bike? BOP and possibly pulled from the course if you didn't swim well. For sure, 99% of us will never race at that level, but like most sports, there is much to be learned from watching those who are really proficient or well on their way. Edited by Left Brain 2013-06-27 10:34 AM |
| 2013-06-27 11:00 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
| 1300 | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Interesting and now that you said it I think I was leaning more toward the you can't win a triathlon on the swim but you can certainly lose one tag line. Which might make what I said completely wrong. I may have to revoke my post license if I don't pay a little more attention to what I am saying. I have done a few races with elite's cranking out 1:00/100 swim, 25 mph/bike and sub 6:00 run (sprints) which you are right, amazing to watch. That is as long as you don't blink because then they are done. I have never gone to just watch a race, I'll have to consider that. Although it's depressing(I say that with a smile) enough getting smoked by them on the course, I don't know how I would handle watching more of them on the course and especially a race full of them! At least watching them on tv I can set my mind to they're not real... it's just a show, then I can enjoy watching. |
| 2013-06-27 11:45 AM in reply to: Tripler3 |
Member 522 Saint Paul, MN | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time This is my first season doing triathlon. I have a good background of running and biking, but just started swimming last November, so I guess I qualify as a beginner. In the two olympics I have done so far this year, I was happy with right around 30 minutes for the swim. I know my technique could use some work, but I have time for that. Currently as long as I survive the swim, I am a happy camper. |
| 2013-06-27 12:07 PM in reply to: Tripler3 |
| 1660 | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time @ the OP: Your question is actually a bit more complicated than you might think, but it's still possible to guesstimate 'beginner' swim times. The problems that make it hard to give you a hard figure - Obviously beginners have different levels of swimming But also: - 1500m is a POOL is different than 1500m OWS. A 1:45 pace/100m in a pool will be a pretty MOP swim speed for nearly any triathlon, but if you swim 1:45 pace in OWS, you'll be FOP (and likely faster in the pool.) - Be careful to distinguish YARDS from METERS from the advice given above in addition to the pool vs ows. A typical meter pool will add 5-10sec/100 to your 100yard lap times, which is actually a big deal. I was a beginner for a good long while, and not because of lack of trying. I would say with pretty good confidence that beginner swimmers will most likely be swimming for 100 METERS (not yards) 2:10+, and for 100 YARDS, 2:00 range in a POOL (not OWS). Once you're swimming 1:40-1:50 for 100 YARDS in a POOL, then you're getting into the MOP category. |
| 2013-06-27 12:14 PM in reply to: Tripler3 |
| 65 | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Originally posted by Tripler3 What are some good swim times for Beginner 1500 meter swims? I did 30mins in a recent race, and ranked in the middle. If I swam a little straighter and got slapped less in the face, probably would be a little faster. |
| 2013-06-27 12:52 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time did 750 at Edmonton ITU in 8:28 |
| 2013-06-27 12:58 PM in reply to: simpsonbo |
Expert 1416 San Luis Obispo, CA | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Originally posted by simpsonbo did 750 at Edmonton ITU in 8:28 Cool! And you consider yourself a beginner? |
| 2013-06-27 3:36 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time sorry just an off topic message... just filling left brain about the race.. its called community. My beginner 1500m time was 21:35 (11 yr old) Edited by simpsonbo 2013-06-27 3:37 PM |
| 2013-06-27 3:42 PM in reply to: simpsonbo |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Dude, there isn't a lot of community feel-good in the way you are talking aobut your swim times. You are an EXCEPTIONAL swimmer. You have been doing it a long time, and you have a gift. That is awesome, but c'mon. |
| 2013-06-27 3:46 PM in reply to: switch |
Veteran 285 Tampa | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time He has contributed to science though, I think we have just proven that a huge ego helps with buoyancy. |
| 2013-06-27 3:56 PM in reply to: sebaf74 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time I like hearing about simpsonbo's swim times....I think it's pretty cool to see what kind of times are out there at different ages. Besides.....he can't run. |
| 2013-06-27 4:23 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Veteran 323 Vicksburg | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time I'm always amazed by the swim times quoted as "good for a beginner". As stated above, there are a few caveats that go with that lest we leave people with the impression that they stink because they are in the 2:00 range. That's MOP around here and I say kudos to you if you're MOP as a beginner. At 1:45 for OWS I'm usually in the top 15% overall and reading some of these comments I would expect to be BOP. Perhaps we are just slower swimmers in the south. Glad I race here and not where you fast people are!  |
| 2013-06-27 10:57 PM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time I can run... just not that fast (1:33xx half mary ok ) . hopefully I'll be at 18xx or 19xx at ITU worlds in 2014. Swim will likely be non wetsuit so 8:4x swim, 31 bike and 18-19 run... Here is the courwe profile for 40k so 2 hills per lap. https://mobile.twitter.com/realABswim_tri/status/349981459186057217/... Edited by simpsonbo 2013-06-27 10:59 PM |
| 2013-06-27 11:28 PM in reply to: simpsonbo |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Hey bo....what year was your 8:28 750? I looked at last weeks race and I know what alot of those guys swim....short course for sure. I gotta see your 18:XX run off a 31:XX bike at your age......I'm not calling BS....but I'm calling all bets. |
| 2013-06-28 1:41 AM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time 8:28 was last weekend (wetsuit swim... ) The course is accurate, but it has a small current in there . Edited by simpsonbo 2013-06-28 1:43 AM |
| 2013-06-28 1:46 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time show your son the hill profile... good motivation for him to do hill repeats... damn I wish draft legal existed when I was his age. |
| 2013-06-28 8:41 AM in reply to: simpsonbo |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Originally posted by simpsonbo show your son the hill profile... good motivation for him to do hill repeats... damn I wish draft legal existed when I was his age. Wow--have you been doing tris since you were 15? It takes a tough kid to commit to those draft legal races--riding in a pack is scary, and I don't know many adults--let alone kids--who are good enough riders to do that, especially after swimming those kinds of splits. Oh yeah, and then they run 16:XX, some even 15:XX. |
| 2013-06-28 9:07 AM in reply to: switch |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time 11 actually. I raced some draft legal in my 20's and just did not have the time to train properly. |
| 2013-06-28 9:24 AM in reply to: simpsonbo |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time So almost 30 years? Wow. That's a long time. I imagine in that time you have learned a TON and a lot of stuff that could really help beginners. I wish we saw more of that and less flat out swim brag, especially in threads about beginners swimming on BEGINNER Triathlete. If you want to pimp your swimtimes, you can do that on ST, where you will be in some very good company. |
| 2013-06-28 4:35 PM in reply to: sebaf74 |
Extreme Veteran 1175 Langley, BC, 'Wet Coast' Canada | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Originally posted by sebaf74He has contributed to science though, I think we have just proven that a huge ego helps with buoyancy.  ........ but wouldn't it cause more drag on the bike?? |
| 2013-06-28 5:35 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Extreme Veteran 933 Connecticut | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by MLPFS If it's for an upcoming race for you just look at the times from the previous year. If it's just to get better swimming then what's fast for you is diferent then what's fast for someone else and depends greatly on your experience. If you really need a time to gage your inprovement I would say around 35 mins but that's kind of an arbitrary time. Unless you are going for podium in your AG or overall then not being gassed after the swim is more important. I come out of the water anywhere from 5 - 20 typically and have never come close to placing in my AG. Run and bike are more important. As it's usually noted you can't win in it in the swim. Now if you feel the need let the back door brag replies begin..... although please note I did not give any times and was trying to make a point so be kind As you work on your swim and try to advance in your AG (if that is your goal), don't ever be fooled by the idea that you can't win a triathlon with the swim. That comment usually comes from people who don't win. (no offense to MLPFS, it's certainly a line that gets used ALOT). The fact is, you can't win a triathlon with a bad swim anymore.....there may have been a day when that was more true, but those days are gone. Anymore, in any race of significance you can't win a triathlon with even a mediocre swim. Yep. If I'd been the swimmer the winner of my AG was at my last sprint, I would've won. And we're talking sprint, the longer the distance, the bigger the gap I can open up. The swim DEFINITELY matters if you're competing for the podium. |
| 2013-06-28 9:07 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Member 163 | Subject: RE: Good 1500 Swim Time Some actual race information. This is from the Presidential Lakes Olympic and Sprint Triathlon last year. Note this is a lake swim, faster than an ocean swim. I don't know anything about how accurately the course was measured or what the weather was like that day. I was not in this triathlon. I just picked it more or less at random off the internet. In the Olympic, there were 162 contestants. The median swim time for 1500M (81st place) was 33:08, a 2:08 pace. A 2:00 pace was good for 64th place. Last out of the water swam 46:50, a 2:57 pace. Many less experienced swimmers were in the 400M Sprint, held the same day. There were 114 contestants. The median swim time (57th place) was 11:15, or a 2:39 pace. A 2:00 pace was good for 17th place. Last out of the water swam 19:13, a 4:32 pace. Based on this, I'd say a good time for a beginner in the open water would be between 2:15 and 3:00 per hundred. As others have noted the open water time will be slower than the pool time. Here are the results: http://www.dqtridu.com/pres12.htm Edited by RZ0 2013-06-28 9:09 PM |
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