The memo(s) (Page 2)

Shock of shock, the memo was 99% allegations, 1% persperation. The memo was written by a guy who worked for Trumps transition with help from the White House, so it was bound to be highly biased from the start. And the memo itself says that the investigation into Trumps's campaign working with Russia started months before this warrant in question anyway. So the investigation would've been going with or without the Steele dossier. The memo never says how much the dossier was used to support the warrant application. It says it was "essential" but who knows what that means? It's meant to sound nefarious, but in real life was that 1 piece out of 3 or or piece out of 100?. They conveniently don't mention that. It implies that because the dossier was funded by "political actors" that it's unreliable. But it never question the material in the dossier itself. Could be that the material on Page in the dossier is unquestionably of high quality. And we're supposed to believe that a constant parade of people involved with it are all baised against Trump, even people he himself appointed to their roles. And the only evidence given of this bias is that they used relied an unknown amount on a source paid for by a "political actor" without disclosing that fact (which apparently they did disclose, but for some reason, the memo omits that fact". Oh and an agent who made snarky posts about Trump (and also Bernie, and Eric Holder and Chelsea Clinton, and wrote the statement saying that Hilary Clinton was under investigation right before the election) worked on something somewhere.

As something that "proves" wrong-doing, it's a dud. A close read actually makes a stronger case that surveillance was warranted. But I'm not sure I think it was an air ball. The whole point of the memo was not to bring to light abuses and adress them (if that was the case, the same people who approved the memo wouldn't have just voted against adding protections to the FISA process). It was to give Trump a pretense, no matter how flimsy,  to get rid of the people investigating him, because he is terrified of the investigation.. And on that count, the memo was a success.

You sure you read the same memo I did?  lol

You stated "The memo never says how much the dossier was used to support the warrant application. It says it was "essential" but who knows what that means?"
What the memo actually said:  "in December 2017, then FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe testified that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” from the FISA court “without the Steele dossier information.”"

I do agree that it doesn't dissect the information from the dossier itself, but that's been royally debunked in the public for a long time.  There's even a section about Trump peeing on a bed that was almost word for word copied from a fanfiction post on 4chan.  The dossier was completely fake.

The biggest issue that is quite factual that the memo confirms is that Hillary and the DNC violated campaign finance laws and laundered money through their attorney to pay for foreign opposition research.  This is explicitly forbidden and illegal.  There's no arguing it.
The lawfirm (not mentioned in the memo) even fought in court providing bank records in an attempt to conceal the laundering. 
This alone is enough to put people in HRC/DNC in jail (not necessarily HRC herself).

There's a lot of other stuff that's flying around outside this memo that is corroborated by the memo such as Kerry (SOS) telling the palestinians not to buckle to Trump because he would be impeached by the end of the year.  The Obama administration changed the regulations in regards to unmasking people from FISA wire taps and spread it throughout the government with what appears to be the explicit purpose of having information leaked. There were recordings of Trump between world leaders after he took office that were "leaked" to the press after he took office. 
Shortly after the election win NSA Director Admiral Rogers paid Trump a visit and allegedly informed him that he was being spied on.  Trump immediately left Trump tower after that meeting to continue his transition.  After this meeting Obama recommended that he be fired. 

I was convinced before that the Obama administration was a corrupt criminal enterprise, but seeing all of these pieces come together just cements the idea.  I know he looked great and talked great and wanted to save the environment, but that doesn't excuse treasonous activity to overthrow the will of the people.  Make no mistake, he didn't attack Trump, he attacked the American voters and their choice of President.

All the memo says is that controversial information was used to justify surveillance. But funnily enough, no where in the memo does it say that the information that was used from the dossier is wrong. Seems like that would've been a really important smoking gun if it was the case. I know you keep saying that the entire dossier is debunked, but that just isn't true. Parts have been shown false, and parts have been corroborated. The part about Trump's Moscow hookers wouldn't have been included in a warrant about Page anyway, but Page himself corroborated in testimony to the House Intelligence Committee that some of the details in the dossier are true. Most likely the parts of the dossier that would have been used as (a small) part of the evidence used to obtain the warrant.

And again according to this memo, the investigation into Russian interference in the election started months before this warrant anyway, not to mention that getting a warrant to surveille a guy who had already left the Trump campaign, just weeks before the election (so there wouldn't have been any time to influence the election toward Hillary anyway) just doesn't make any sense. Nothing about this "conspiracy" makes sense, because there's no there there. I mean at the time the original warrant that used the Steele information was submitted Rosenstein was the US Attorney for Maryland(!) and had nothing to do with the investigation, yet somehow he's supposed to be corrupt and biased. The whole thing is just meant as a giant smear job. Throw a s**t ton of mud, and hope just enough of it of sticks to the Russia investigation.

Whoops, DP

Knock knock. 

Who's there.

I eat mop

Gowdy confirmed yet again that he McCabe did say that and is also starting the process of declassifying his entire testimony so we can see exactly what he said.  I'll let you guess whose fighting against its release.

As for there being enough intelligence outside of the dossier, I would question the fact that the FBI paid $165k to a foreign spy to come up with more evidence and then leak it to yahoo to "cross validate" it to the public in order to manipulate a judge.

From a timing standpoint there's another little known fact about the FISA warrants.  They allow retroactive spying via the NSA PRISM program.  They can go back in time and retrieve texts and calls that occurred an indefinite amount of time before the warrant.
I don't know if they did or not, but the date of the warrant itself doesn't necessarily mean that's when the spying started.

I think it's interesting that you see it as a coup against the FBI rather than a coup against the President of the United States.  I know you have your political leanings, but there's been zero factual evidence against Trump and there's a mountain of evidence against the DNC/HRC/Obama admin colluding against Trump.

Then you have the media willfully trying to cover it up.

I agree the memo itself doesn't have much to do with the Russian probe and the dossier itself is arguable.  However, what drove the Trump tower meeting with Don Jr and the Russian lawyer?  Fusion GPS (paid by the DNC/HRC/FBI) paid a foreign spy to create a fake dossier implicating Trump in collusion, they hired the Russian lawyer under false pretense to set up the meeting with Don Jr. to make it appear as though he was colluding, they took the story to Yahoo news to corroborate the collusion and then took it all the the FISA court to wire tap the campaign.  Then after Trump won they invoked the "insurance plan" with the media to claim Russian interference to overthrow the rightful President of the United States.  Oh, and of course all the funding was ILLEGAL!!!
But, all you guys want to talk about is how Trump colluded.  Seriously, don't you have even a 1000% of a percent of doubt that maybe just maybe the Democrats did something wrong here?  lol

Amazingly the liberal press refused to cover anything about the most obvious crime:
US Politics WATCH: Gowdy Exposes What Everyone Else Missed: Exposes $10 Million Hillary Clinton LAUNDERING Scheme

“I’m not an election law expert, but the good news is you don’t have to be to understated the absurdity of believing that you can launder all of your campaign money by just hiring a law firm,” Gowdy told host Chris Wallace.

Imagine if you and I were running for Congress, and we just hired a law firm and said ‘Hey, you go do all the oppo, you go buy all the television, you go buy all the bumper stickers, you go hire all the experts, and we’re going to launder all of this through a law firm,’” he continued.

“I am also interested in sharing some memory tricks with folks at the DNC because no one can remember who paid 10 million dollars to a law firm to do oppo research,” Gowdy noted. “I find that stunning.”

“$10 million and no one can remember who authorized it, who approved it? So you’ve got two issues, a memory issue and then the lack of transparency by laundering money through a law firm,” Gowdy concluded.

The Trump campaign were happy to meet/communicate with Russians to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.
The meeting was set up by Fusion GPS to entrap Don Jr. with a lawyer who was Russian.  They said they had oppo on Hillary and then showed up and talked about Russian adoptions.  I love how you state as fact that they met "with the Russians"  /eyeroll

The head of Cambridge Analytica reached out to WikiLeaks in an effort to develop a searchable archive of Clinton’s missing 33,000 emails.
So an organization reached out to a media organization for information they claimed to have?  Scandal of the century right there.

The Trump White House initially lied when confronted with questions about campaign contacts with Russians.
The White House lied?  do tell.  Is this like your "met with Russia"?   I went to a Trump rally so I guess if I lie then it's the White House lying too in your book?  /eyeroll

President Trump fired FBI Director James B. Comey because of the Russia investigation.
There were a multitude of reasons he needed to be fired and ultimately he followed Rosenstein's recommendation to fire him.
The only justification to claim he was fired "because of the Russia investigation" was the following statement Trump made in an interview:
“[Rosenstein] made a recommendation, but regardless of recommendation I was going to fire Comey, knowing there was no good time to do it,” Trump said. “And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.’”
I know your opinion is that he was fired exclusively because of the Russia investigation, but that is not factual in any way.

As somebody who works in the scientific industry I would think your threshold for "facts" would be a little higher.  :-P

As long as he launders the money through an attorney to hire the opposition research he'll be OK.

Nothing wrong with meeting with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary! Also nothing wrong with Hillary/DNC hiring Fusion GPS to get Russian dirt on Trump.

There's actually quite a bit wrong with it.  The DNC and HRC campaigns have to account for all their campaign money spent and they hid the money they spent by hiring an attorney and paying them a LOT of money.  This law office then hired Fusion GPS, who then hired a foreign spy.
Campaign laws in the US do not allow for hiding expenditures through third parties and they do not allow for a campaign to hire foreign intelligence.  If HRC or the DNC just hired Fusion GPS for oppo, then yes it would be OK, but if that happened then they couldn't have illegally hired foreign spy's and the Russians (I guess I can lump them all together now too) to get their oppo.

hah

I do sit back and wonder what will actually be done with all this.  Lets just say for example Trump and Sessions treat everyone equally under the law, like they're really supposed to.  Quite likely Comey, Obama, Hillary, the DNC heads, and many more would all be arrested and charged.  You think the Russia narrative is going nuts with the media, holy cow I can't even imagine.  haha

I do want people to be held fully accountable to the fullest extent of the law no matter who it is.   I want our laws to mean something and powerful people to stop breaking the law.  The only way this happens is if powerful people go to prison, so new powerful people think twice about doing it again in the future.

4. As I said before, there were a multitude of reasons for Comey being fired.  Even if he was exclusively fired for the Russia investigation it was 100% within the right of the President to do so. 
Comey isn't the guy on the streets investigating anything.  He's the political hack in charge of an investigation who was caught leaking classified information to the public, interfered with the election (HRC disclosures), and now we find out lying through omission to the FISA courts.  He was terrible.

I'm a huge supporter of Wikileaks, both in spirit and financially.  They are the picture of what the media used to be where they report on government abuses and expose corruption.
Remember, corruption and civil rights is the area that I'm probably further to the left than Obama on.  I despise the government doing what it's not supposed to be doing and I herald whistle-blowers such as Manning and Snowden as American Heroes!!!

I honestly have no problem with Mueller doing his job, but in my opinion he has completed his job investigating the Collusion narrative, but now is simply on a perjury trap witch hunt.  He likely has literal recordings of Trump throughout the campaign and transition and if he could catch him in one misstatement about where he was on a certain day (or whatever) under oath then he'll indict him for perjury.  It's just stupid at this point.