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 2011-01-15 7:12 AM in reply to: #3300868 |
Pro  4672     Nutmeg State |  Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSEDcarrie639 - 2011-01-14 11:15 PM Swim question: So was wondering for those of you that have ramped up volumes at some point or really pushed yourself (swimming for example). Have you found at some point that you body just throws up your hands and says no more? For example, I could only do 1500 the other night, but today I felt awesome, but prior, I was doing 3000 or more 2-3 times per week. Was it that I peaked last week sometime when things were still going well and I just needed to lay off and rest? You just asked the perfect progressive overload question. Short answer is, yes, you need rest, rest for a few days and you'll be back. Long answer is that improved performance in endurance sports comes from progressive overload. The objective of training is to impart greater and greater stresses on your body—progressive overload—forcing it to adapt and become more fit. In order for the gains from greater stresses to take place, your body needs to rest so training plans should include "rest" weeks, generally every 4th week. This allows for the unloading of fatigue from the previous three works. These are active rest weeks however; training doesn't stop, but rather the total weekly training hours are lowered. So when cranking up your swim yardage, make sure to remember to take rest weeks to let your body adapt to the effects of training. |
| 2011-01-15 7:14 AM in reply to: #3300622 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED jsklarz - 2011-01-14 8:12 PM kaburns1214 - 2011-01-14 5:30 PM abqtj - 2011-01-14 12:43 PM I need to get back in the pool soon. I feel like I slim down better doing pool work than anything else. Swimming makes me super hungry. Running kills the appetite. drink more pool water, that kills one's appetite (see my post on seawater and sex) No effect on me. Back in college we would have cocktail parties in the water after practice (I know, not a bright idea). Having spent 4 hours a day 6 days a week in the water for 15 or so years, drinking the water doesn't affect me. |
| 2011-01-15 9:09 AM in reply to: #3256199 |
Expert 1121 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED I learned today, swimming is so much harder than I expected. They forgot to post that Saturdays are now available for lap swim, so I was so happy when I go there to find NO ONE, except me and the life guard. Next week will be packed. My endurance for swimming was absolutely fine. I just had a hard time learning the breathing techniques. Blowing air in the water, then turning your head to catch as much breath as possible, was difficult. Fortunately, the lifeguard hopped in with me and gave me some great tips. Did a couple 25's with the kickboard, which really helped. When I tried without the kickboard, I was so much better. Looking forward to next week Thank you for all the tips. Picked up some $20 Speedo Goggles from Dick's yesterday. You're correct, I couldn't do it without them. I just did 25's to start. I finsihed with a 50. I was there for 30 minutes since I had to get back to get kids ready for their swim lessons later this morning. Will run this afternoon Edited by rizer22 2011-01-15 9:09 AM |
| 2011-01-15 10:06 AM in reply to: #3301049 |
Master 1832 Elgin, IL | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED I have done alot of pool running because of various injuries, so I can add to this. In deep water you will actually move through the water, but slowly, and I have found that you will work your core much more than anything else as you maintain balance. Pool running will allow you to heal from injury, but you can get alot done. I have done speed work in the pool. I have heard that there are marathoners that will pool run 100% until their race if they are injuried and it will help keep them in shape without the pounding. It does get awful boring though . . . get and underwater MP3 and you will be good to go For pool running I just an aquajogger belt (and my club carries them), it is the most buoyant and made for being upright. Good luck |
| 2011-01-15 1:03 PM in reply to: #3256199 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED Nice 30 minute ride today. Slow as all hell though. Trying to get a buddy's fitness up to par. Really wish I could just get out there and go. |
| 2011-01-15 2:34 PM in reply to: #3301518 |
Expert 1121 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED uhcoog - 2011-01-15 2:03 PM Nice 30 minute ride today. Slow as all hell though. Trying to get a buddy's fitness up to par. Really wish I could just get out there and go. I have a ton of respect for guys/girls that are at higher levels of fitness, helping others get up to speed and waiting. Although I was in decent condition, when I started mountain biking last summer, I had realized that it was completley different from what I thought was "in good shape" My friend was pretty patient working with me. Now that I can somewhat keep up, he appreciates the time he put in with me. He now has a permanent riding partner. |
| 2011-01-15 4:00 PM in reply to: #3256199 |
| 144 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED I swam today and did a timed 1000 yrd swim. My time was 20:48. What should I be doing to get faster? |
| 2011-01-15 4:29 PM in reply to: #3301064 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-01-15 8:12 AM carrie639 - 2011-01-14 11:15 PM Swim question: So was wondering for those of you that have ramped up volumes at some point or really pushed yourself (swimming for example). Have you found at some point that you body just throws up your hands and says no more? For example, I could only do 1500 the other night, but today I felt awesome, but prior, I was doing 3000 or more 2-3 times per week. Was it that I peaked last week sometime when things were still going well and I just needed to lay off and rest? You just asked the perfect progressive overload question. Short answer is, yes, you need rest, rest for a few days and you'll be back. Long answer is that improved performance in endurance sports comes from progressive overload. The objective of training is to impart greater and greater stresses on your body—progressive overload—forcing it to adapt and become more fit. In order for the gains from greater stresses to take place, your body needs to rest so training plans should include "rest" weeks, generally every 4th week. This allows for the unloading of fatigue from the previous three works. These are active rest weeks however; training doesn't stop, but rather the total weekly training hours are lowered. So when cranking up your swim yardage, make sure to remember to take rest weeks to let your body adapt to the effects of training. There is a great quote (Brad Keans, I think), it goes something like: it doesn't matter what teraing you can execute, its what you can absorb. thus, the goal is to put your body under stress, then rest. repeat and you build a better machine. too much stress, too little rest, you get hurt, sick, or wont train because it feels like too much work. Its good to train hard but execute your rest plan too. Michaele Jones (one of teh most successful femaile triathletes ever) used to spend all day on bed before her key work outs. Mike Pigg, another all time great, tapered for flights. |
| 2011-01-15 4:43 PM in reply to: #3301812 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED good training day. despite weigh in tomorrow, i'm having pizza for dinner - make your own pizza with the kids. |
| 2011-01-15 5:45 PM in reply to: #3301630 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED rizer22 - 2011-01-15 2:34 PM uhcoog - 2011-01-15 2:03 PM Nice 30 minute ride today. Slow as all hell though. Trying to get a buddy's fitness up to par. Really wish I could just get out there and go. I have a ton of respect for guys/girls that are at higher levels of fitness, helping others get up to speed and waiting. Although I was in decent condition, when I started mountain biking last summer, I had realized that it was completley different from what I thought was "in good shape" My friend was pretty patient working with me. Now that I can somewhat keep up, he appreciates the time he put in with me. He now has a permanent riding partner. I know he appreciates it and truth be told I need a training partner so it's kinda selfish.
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| 2011-01-15 7:47 PM in reply to: #3256199 |
Extreme Veteran 585 Price, UT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED Well back in town and facing a one hour ride tomorrow. If it is one the trainer-bleah, but supposed to be in the 40's and the roads have cleared so maybe I can get some of it in on the roads. Also I need to get back on track with a good diet plan and logging in my food. I am feeling the week of slpurging a bit. I have to say that I was actually fairly good this week with my eating choices. |
| 2011-01-15 11:23 PM in reply to: #3301768 |
| Extreme Veteran 745 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED pbrown70 - 2011-01-15 5:00 PM Drills and speed work will build your speed. What you want to do is improve your strength and your form (I know, thank you Captain Obvious.) Unlike running and biking, swimming is not JUST about time in the pool. You willl get bigger improvement by improving your form than by just slogging it out in the pool.Go to swimplan.com and get some plans.Also, read BigFuzzyDog's swim tips.I swam today and did a timed 1000 yrd swim. My time was 20:48. What should I be doing to get faster? |
| 2011-01-16 5:05 AM in reply to: #3302266 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED bwingate - 2011-01-16 12:23 AM pbrown70 - 2011-01-15 5:00 PM Drills and speed work will build your speed. What you want to do is improve your strength and your form (I know, thank you Captain Obvious.) Unlike running and biking, swimming is not JUST about time in the pool. You willl get bigger improvement by improving your form than by just slogging it out in the pool.Go to swimplan.com and get some plans.Also, read BigFuzzyDog's swim tips.I swam today and did a timed 1000 yrd swim. My time was 20:48. What should I be doing to get faster? With swimming, a swim analysis session or some time with a good coach is well worth the money. Its difficult to see what you're doing wrong while swimming and a good coach can point on the issues and give you specific drills to use to work on them. The only thing is lots of people put themselves out there as swim coaches and you need to find someone who really knows what they're doing. |
| 2011-01-16 5:06 AM in reply to: #3256199 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED Out too late last night and now up to run this morning, not the best combination. |
| 2011-01-16 9:01 AM in reply to: #3302342 |
| Extreme Veteran 745 | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED No running today - just woke up in Keystone for a week of skiing. Short day today so I can watch the Jets and then tomorrow I'll try to find the treadmill here to get some training in. This week will be a little sparse in training. |
| 2011-01-16 9:27 AM in reply to: #3302501 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED bwingate - 2011-01-16 10:01 AM No running today - just woke up in Keystone for a week of skiing. Short day today so I can watch the Jets and then tomorrow I'll try to find the treadmill here to get some training in. This week will be a little sparse in training. If by watch watch the Jets you mean, watch the Jets loose. |
| 2011-01-16 10:02 AM in reply to: #3302529 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED kaburns1214 - 2011-01-16 9:27 AM Fixed that for ya.Rainy today. May clean out my garage and start setting up my home gym.bwingate - 2011-01-16 10:01 AM No running today - just woke up in Keystone for a week of skiing. Short day today so I can watch the Jets and then tomorrow I'll try to find the treadmill here to get some training in. This week will be a little sparse in training. If by watch watch the Jets you mean, watch the Jets embarass themselves. |
| 2011-01-16 10:22 AM in reply to: #3256199 |
Pro 4723 CyFair | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED Forgot to add that I weighed in at 176 this morning. |
| 2011-01-16 10:59 AM in reply to: #3287713 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED abqtj - 2011-01-09 6:30 AM abqtj - 2011-01-02 8:29 AM Ugh 218 starting weight...back on the wagon! Goal is 195 for me by the end of this challenge. 215 this morning, not sure if that's right. 211 today, but yesterday I didn't eat much since I felt crappy. Not sure if one day like that would make a huge difference. I suppose the scale next week will tell the tale. |
| 2011-01-16 12:46 PM in reply to: #3256199 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED good weekend of training for me. hunkering down for some football after a turkey reuben for lunch. which is consumed within 1 hour of finishing a pretty taxing swim. Weight is 226 (pre reuben). |
| 2011-01-16 1:40 PM in reply to: #3256199 |
Extreme Veteran 585 Price, UT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED Got my biking hour in on the trainer. I need to figure out if it the fit on my bike or my seat that is causing agaony at about the 45 min mark. If I could ride without pain, hitting the bike for long periods would actually be fun. I usually ride with I-pod but today I was watching the Bears play and I had to laugh- when they ran hard I pedaled much harder. Also got my replacement bike computer and installed it. I find that I can place the sensor where it is supposed to be and my mileage is back to where it used to be. I think because I had to modify where I stuck the carseye sensor I was cheating myself out of miles. |
| 2011-01-16 2:07 PM in reply to: #3302844 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED Artist - 2011-01-16 2:40 PM Got my biking hour in on the trainer. I need to figure out if it the fit on my bike or my seat that is causing agaony at about the 45 min mark. If I could ride without pain, hitting the bike for long periods would actually be fun. I usually ride with I-pod but today I was watching the Bears play and I had to laugh- when they ran hard I pedaled much harder. Also got my replacement bike computer and installed it. I find that I can place the sensor where it is supposed to be and my mileage is back to where it used to be. I think because I had to modify where I stuck the carseye sensor I was cheating myself out of miles. This is my favorite saddle (and I can do 4+ hours on the trainer) : http://www.cobbcycling.com/cart/V-Flow_Plus_C1P3.cfm They have a fantastic return policy too. |
| 2011-01-16 2:07 PM in reply to: #3256199 |
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| 2011-01-16 2:51 PM in reply to: #3302884 |
Extreme Veteran 585 Price, UT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED Thanks I will check it out |
| 2011-01-16 2:56 PM in reply to: #3302884 |
Extreme Veteran 585 Price, UT | Subject: RE: kaburns1214 Mentor Group - CLOSED I am going to take my bike up to a specialized master bike fittter. They are about an hour away. but I find I am pushing myself to the back of the seat and I already have the seat slide back as far as it can go. Maybe a longer stem? So I want to check that out before I go changing the seat again. I am running a FIT-women's seat, but I have heard a lot of good reviews about Cobb seats so I am definitely interested after I double check my bike fit. |
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