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Originally posted by lutzman

. . . He pretty much gave me the clean bill of health to beat up my shoulder and see if it can take it....if not, then go for the surgery.

So, no excuses allowed.

Steve

PS--Learn from my mistake. Don't crash!

Steve,

Glad to hear you're back to a full training schedule.  REALLY happy I am not in the 60-64 AG.  I figure you have a bur under your saddle and whoa un to anyone that gets in your way!

Just remember - pain is temporary, victory is forever!



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2015-02-05 7:55 PM
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Originally posted by Kris67 During my swim today, I noticed a metal looking object on the bottom of the pool, but ignored it. After several laps, I realized what it was. I wear a road ID 24/7, and it was the metal plate with my info on it. Luckily, I wasn't swimming in the deep part, so I was able to retrieve it and put it back on my bracelet. I've been wearing it all the time the past year, as I"m doing more than just running now, and I was forgetting to put it on. Just thought I'd share. Thanks to all for the congrats on signing up for my race. Any tips from those that have done one, are appreciated.

Kris,

Like you, I wear my Road-Id 24/7.  Any idea how the metal came off of yours?  I have the larger 1/2 inch silicone band and I can't imagine the metal plate coming off.  Any ideas how that happened?  Just curious.  Not going to do me any good if it leaves the contact information on the road somewhere.

2015-02-06 5:46 AM
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Subject: RE: no surgery yet
Originally posted by lutzman

Good news I guess. I had an appointment with the shoulder specialist today. While he marveled at the fractures across my entire left ribcage on the Xray, he thinks I should wait longer before having surgery on my collarbone. He pretty much gave me the clean bill of health to beat up my shoulder and see if it can take it....if not, then go for the surgery. He thinks the shoulder pain I'm having is still related to the crash trauma not my collarbone, even though it hasn't healed. We'll see.

So, no excuses allowed.

Steve

PS--Learn from my mistake. Don't crash!


Congrats on the good news Steve.

Hey, I have a running question. I pulled my back last week and have stopped training. How long can I rest before I start losing some of stamina I have built up? I heard a week but what is your opinion on this?

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2015-02-06 7:30 AM
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Scott,
My road-Id is the thin bracelet and the metal piece has tried to come off before, usually when the band gets stretched or twisted. I'm guessing it must have partially came off while changing clothes, then as I swam, came the rest of the way off.
2015-02-06 1:09 PM
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Subject: RE: no surgery yet

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Hey, I have a running question. I pulled my back last week and have stopped training. How long can I rest before I start losing some of stamina I have built up? I heard a week but what is your opinion on this?

Thanks James

Hey James,

Good question and one that we all get to ponder at some point, especially as we get older.

Back when I was swimming, the theory was that for every day of workout you missed, it would take seven days to get back to where you were before you missed the workout.  Using that formula, obviously you didn't want to take ANY time off.  Sadly, I can recall a number of times that I was in the pool swimming when I probably should have been home in bed getting better.

Fortunately, current research paints a different picture.  VO2 MAX is the best indicator of aerobic fitness.  A number of studies have recently been done that reveal after a 7-day cessation of training, there is less than a 6% reduction in VO2 MAX.  At a two-week break, the drop climbs to 6-14%.  After two-weeks, the decline continues but begins to level off and at 30-60 days the reduction in VO2 MAX is around 19%.

What that means is that after a week, you would likely notice a bit of a difference but not very much.  Putting it in terms of a 5K time, if you ran something like a 20:00 minute 5K before the break, after 7-days your 5K would drop to about 20:30.  After two-weeks, you would theoretically be down to something like a 23:00.

Summing it up, research shows that you really shouldn't be too concerned about losing significant fitness if  your break is less than two weeks.

The flip side of that is if you have an injury and you don't allow it to heal properly, you could lose a season, which would obviously have a far greater effect on your fitness.

In my humble opinion, full recovery from whatever injury you have is FAR more important than any concern with lost fitness.



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2015-02-06 1:23 PM
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Subject: Weekend Plans?

Well, another weekend is upon us!  Anyone have any special plans or a race scheduled?  Ok, the race thing is directed more towards the people in the south and west.  I have been layed up with the flu all week.  Got a flu shot, and all the Dr. has to say is, "Yeah, they missed with the vaccine this year."  THANKS!

My plan is to prop my feet up and get better.  Anyone have anything more physically challenging planned?



2015-02-06 2:10 PM
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I'm planning to take advantage of the warm weather and get in an open water swim today & tomorrow. We've had a mild summer so far but the weather forecast for the week is the range of 27C - 35C (80F - 95F) so it's off to the beach.

I'm fortunate the my local beach has a series of 3 sand banks 50 metres apart. If I go at low tide I can stop for a rest if needed as the water is waist deep at the sand bank.
2015-02-06 2:34 PM
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Subject: RE: Weekend Plans?

No races for me this weekend.  I'm planning for a 6ish mile run tomorrow (would love to hit the trails but after the rain/snow this week, I really don't want to deal with the mud again , so probably just a neighborhood run), a longish swim Sunday morning and a trainer ride in the afternoon.  

Question: Is there a good way to train for hills while on a trainer?  I'm thinking about signing up for a duathlon in June (1mi run/17mi bike/5k run).  About 10 miles of the bike is pretty good hills, the rest is rolling hills.  Once I get outside to ride, there is a park nearby that has some good hills I can do some training on, but I'd like to start now on the trainer if I can.  I'm not really comfortable on hills so I need as much practice as I can get .  

Have a good weekend!
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2015-02-06 3:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Weekend Plans?

Originally posted by soccermom15

Is there a good way to train for hills while on a trainer?  I'm thinking about signing up for a duathlon in June (1mi run/17mi bike/5k run).  About 10 miles of the bike is pretty good hills, the rest is rolling hills.  Once I get outside to ride, there is a park nearby that has some good hills I can do some training on, but I'd like to start now on the trainer if I can.  I'm not really comfortable on hills so I need as much practice as I can get .  

Have a good weekend!
Janet

Yep there is.  There are three Sufferfest videos that target climbing.  They are "Angels 2015," "The Hunted," and "The Wretched."  They all cost about $13.00 and are downloadable to your PC.  You can find them at http://thesufferfest.com.  If you go to their page and get to the cycling video page, select climbing and you can get a short preview of each video.  You can click on the video description and it will detail specifically what it works on.

Angels 2015 is 3 x 8:00 climbs with lots of attacks. 56 mins.

The Hunted is a 20 minute climb followed by the worst 5:00 known to mankind. 60 mins.

The Wretched is a pure, attacking, climbing, fighting Tour de France stage. 48 mins,

If you follow the intensity and cadence instruction contained in the video, by the time you get done with any of them you will be questioning your sanity.  You will also be making VAST improvements.



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2015-02-06 5:22 PM
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Saturday is a half marathon (best damn race) and Sunday im planning a group bike ride from LBS and a swim after. I love when I have the weekend off.
2015-02-06 5:48 PM
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Hey, I have a running question. I pulled my back last week and have stopped training. How long can I rest before I start losing some of stamina I have built up? I heard a week but what is your opinion on this?

Thanks James

James,
Sorry to hear about your back and hope you recover soon. Here's an article that summarizes the studies on loss of fitness:
http://runnersconnect.net/running-training-articles/how-long-does-i...

If you are still hurting after a few days, try to find a pool with deep water ( over 5') where you can do aqua-jogging. Although it feels awkward & looks stupid, I have had wonderful results using it for recovery. Use an aquajogging belt, and a metronome like a Tempo-Trainer if you have one. You can do intervals ( hard=a tempo close to your running tempo; easy= slower) that will make your eyes pop out. Here's a link with more details
http://strengthrunning.com/2011/06/pool-running-why-you%E2%80%99re-...

Weekend plans: for myself, I came down with a bad cold on Tuesday afternoon. Fortunately, I had just gotten a newsletter, also from runnersconnect but not a blog post or article. The gist was, don't run until the day after you are totally feeling normal with other activities (and don't try to make up lost workouts.) By that measure, I can do an easy treadmill run or trainer ride on Saturday and do my 13-mile long run on Sunday, if the next storm holds off long enough. I'm glad I recovered from my cold so fast!
Lots of luck to everyone in whatever you're up to.
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2015-02-06 5:49 PM
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SCOTT K - Bummer to be sick and a larger bummer that you got a flu shot and still got sick with the flu.  Grrrr... Drink a lot of water and rest, rest, rest.

ROD - I'm totally jealous of your warm weather. Enjoy the OWS!

KRISTEN - Good luck in your 13.1 tomorrow!   Do you have a goal in mind?  Run Happy!

I'll continue doing some core work and I joined the plank-a-day challenge so I'll add that in. Otherwise I'll be sitting at my desk working on tax returns.   I know you all wish you had as much excitement in your life as me....  NOT! 

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No racing. In fact, it looks like a couple unscheduled recovery days. My wife is in the hospital (cellulitis - an aggressive skin infection). Hopefully it will be a short stay.

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2015-02-06 9:01 PM
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Subject: RE: no surgery yet
Originally posted by k9car363

Originally posted by JREDFLY

Hey, I have a running question. I pulled my back last week and have stopped training. How long can I rest before I start losing some of stamina I have built up? I heard a week but what is your opinion on this?

Thanks James

Hey James,

Good question and one that we all get to ponder at some point,.

What that means is that after a week, you would likely notice a bit of a difference but not very much.  .

In my humble opinion, full recovery from whatever injury you have is FAR more important than any concern with lost fitness.




Ding, ding, ding....winner!

Stu...I agree completely with Scott. In my younger years I really obsessed with losing fitness due to injury. As I've gotten older I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that small nicks can quickly turn into major injuries...and one week off (when two weeks was needed) can easily blow up into six weeks of injury recovery.

Case in point: strangest damn thing. My kneecap (out of nowhere) started hurting on my 5 mile run on Wednesday. Yesterday I was in significant pain on every step so I started the icing and Ibuprophen regimen. I'm better today (Friday) with less pain but the knee is clearly not right. Well, I'm done running for a week or longer. Whatever it takes. But my real fear now at age 60 is that a minor tendon flare-up can quickly turn into a complete house fire and burn down an entire racing season.

Better to lose a couple weeks of training and a little fitness than to risk something bigger. That's the gray guy reality.

Good luck. Heal well.

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2015-02-07 7:04 PM
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Originally posted by EchoLkScott No racing. In fact, it looks like a couple unscheduled recovery days. My wife is in the hospital (cellulitis - an aggressive skin infection). Hopefully it will be a short stay. Scott I.

Hey Scott,

Sorry to hear this.  Wishing you and your wife the best.  Hope she gets well soon.

2015-02-07 7:26 PM
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Has anyone else been watching the Dubai Tour the past four days?  It is absolutely stunning how much power the pro cyclists generate.  Every year, I think I am making progress, then I turn on a stage race and realize, "Nope, not joining the pro cycling tour this year . . ."  



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Subject: Weight Loss Challenge - 2/8/2015 Check-In

I was down with the flu all week so zero workout points.

Lost 2.5 pounds though, at least there is a bit of a silver lining to being sick.

2015-02-08 10:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Weight Loss Challenge - 2/8/2015 Check-In
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Hey Everyone -

Here is the more detailed breakdown I promised for the Weight Loss/Workout Challenge.

How you earn points -

  • +5 points for no weight gain
  • +/- 1 point per pound lost/gained, or fraction thereof
  • +1 point for every 30 workout minutes



My weight dropped by 1 lb (from 151 to 150) and I exercised 12hrs 3min (270 min swimming, 330 min biking, 113 min running, and 10 min strength training). So, my points for the week:

  • +5 points for no weight gain
  • +1 point for 1 pound lost
  • +24.1 point for 723 workout minutes
  • Total: 30.1 points


My wife is doing significantly better. Hopefully I can bring her home from the hospital today!

Scott I.


2015-02-08 1:49 PM
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Scott, good to hear your wife is doing better.
Brenda, My goal for the HM was 2:30, and I managed to hit it, 2:30:40, so I'm happy. I wanted it to be a relaxed run, but i ended up going out too fast the first 2 miles, even though I was telling myself to slow down. I paid for it the last 4 miles, and had to take a few short walk breaks and my legs were hurting last night.

Today I did a casual group ride from the LBS. If I hadn't run so much yesterday, I could have ridden to the shop and back (adding 10 miles) but I drove the car instead. There were a few real newbies, so it was a slow ride, stopping to let others catch up several times, but that was exactly what I needed, so I didn't mind. 14.9 miles on the bike. Afterwards, I went to the pool for a short swim. It's absolutely beautiful here today, and I"m happy i was able to enjoy a few hours outside, as now, I sit down to start to look at my taxes.
2015-02-08 2:22 PM
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Hi All,

Another quiet week for me but the good news is I feel my knee is about 90% right. I've been tempted to break into a canter while out walking but I restrained myself and hope to resume proper training Monday week as planned. I did manage to take advantage of our summer weather and get in 2 x OWS.

During the week I registered as a volunteer for Ironman Melbourne next month. On the Wednesday prior to the event I'll be supervising a group of High School Students packing race kits & bags, on the Saturday I'll be assisting to photograph and check in the bikes and on Sunday I'll be doing a shift with the Athlete Shuttle Bus in the afternoon. I'm looking forward to getting involved.

Weight Loss Challenge details are:

+5 points for no weight gain
+0 point for weight loss
+11.7 points for 350 workout minutes
Total: 16.7 points
2015-02-08 2:29 PM
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Congratulations on hitting your 2:30 goal, KRISTEN!!  Woot Woot!   We've all gone out too fast on most of our races.  Holding back is hard when we're excited and ready to go.   You'll need to keep what you learned from this race in mind when you're lined up for the start of your 70.3.  In the longer races pacing smart and holding back become very,very important to keep the final 13.1 run from being a death march.    Good job on going out today for a bike ride and then a swim.  You're well on the road to a successful Half Ironman! 



2015-02-08 2:45 PM
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 Good job on being restrained with the knee, ROD.  90% is so close to 100% that you shouldn't have long to wait to break into a canter.    And thanks for signing up to volunteer at IM!  You and the high school kids are rock stars for packing the bags.  That's a behind the scenes job that the athletes don't get a chance to thank you for.   You'll be out there on Saturday and Sunday too?  That's a huge time commitment - wow - thank ye, thank ye!   Your example has convicted me to volunteer at some more races this year.

2015-02-08 6:32 PM
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Kris - Congrats on meeting your HM goal.
Scott - Glad your wife is improving
Rod - 90% is good, but please take it slow until you're really feeling right again. I sat through an unscheduled 8 week "rest" this past summer by not heeding that advice.

With yet another weekend of significant snow in the Northeast and no signs of Spring anywhere in the long range forecast, I decided to order a bike trainer. Should be here in a week. Plan is to set it up in my home office.

Its also been tough to get enough pool time at my local Y, so I signed up for a series of 4 swim lessons at another gym to see if some additional coaching will help me make improvements in both my stroke and fitness.

My numbers for the week are:

501 workout minutes 16.7 pts
no weight gain or loss 5 pts
Total 21.7 pts


Hope everyone has a great week!
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2015-02-08 8:32 PM
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Hi all,
Still here! I haven't been on lately due to some work issues.
Scott: I haven't forgotten about your offer to take a look at some video of me swimming. I will get this done soon.

Question for all: has anyone seen or bought one of the swimsmooth plans that just came out? They are designed to categorize swimmers into 6 different types like an Arnie, Kicktasitc, etc. I haven't purchased one yet. I was just wondering if anyone else had, and if so, what is your review of them? I think they are only $20, so no huge investment, but I thought it might be nice to get some feedback if anyone has any.

Scott, I am working through your novice plan. I like it. Still trying to control breathing and the urge to swim fast to stay afloat. It's scary to me how much easier it is with a pull bouy, which probably means I am not performing well technique-wise without it.

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2015-02-09 10:37 AM
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No weight change 5

6.5 hours 13

total 18 points again..... i gotta eat better !!!


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