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 2009-07-04 11:21 AM in reply to: #2256621 |
Extreme Veteran  566   Southern California |  Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the SpringAll in all - looks like a very well-paced effort for you. I agree, I feel like it was the best effort I could produce based on my current fitness. I have a question about shoes/pedals. Right now I am using my MTB shoes and pedals (Shimano SPD). I am thinking about getting some road shoes/pedals. Would I gain anything by getting roadie shoes/pedals? |
| 2009-07-04 11:27 AM in reply to: #2072085 |
Extreme Veteran 566 Southern California | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Happy 4th of July everyone! I am a little down as I have no races scheduled. I do have a local 5k on August 7th, but no triathlons. There are a couple I wish I could do, July 26th (will be on vacation) and August 23rd (kids start school the next day). The kids start soccer season soon so weekends are taken up from August through October. I will probably not be able to race until December.  |
| 2009-07-04 11:59 AM in reply to: #2261469 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Boulder, CO | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring cjhild - 2009-07-04 10:21 AM All in all - looks like a very well-paced effort for you. I agree, I feel like it was the best effort I could produce based on my current fitness. I have a question about shoes/pedals. Right now I am using my MTB shoes and pedals (Shimano SPD). I am thinking about getting some road shoes/pedals. Would I gain anything by getting roadie shoes/pedals? Hi Justin, What's your definition of "gain" -- if you are riding comfortably then probably not much. What you might find is that a solid road shoe/pedal combo (I like Look pedals) gives you a bit more stability. I get calf issues using certain combos (I don't recommend speedplay for this reason). Some MTN combos can be a touch loose and lead to Achilles issues in some athletes. More here: http://www.endurancecorner.com/library/injury_prevention_treatment/achilles_tendonitis g |
| 2009-07-04 12:00 PM in reply to: #2261489 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Boulder, CO | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring cjhild - 2009-07-04 10:27 AM Happy 4th of July everyone! I am a little down as I have no races scheduled. I do have a local 5k on August 7th, but no triathlons. There are a couple I wish I could do, July 26th (will be on vacation) and August 23rd (kids start school the next day). The kids start soccer season soon so weekends are taken up from August through October. I will probably not be able to race until December. Why don't you grab a buddy and create your own? |
| 2009-07-05 7:19 AM in reply to: #2261556 |
| Expert 626 | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring GordoByrn - 2009-07-04 1:00 PM cjhild I am a little down as I have no races scheduled. Why don't you grab a buddy and create your own? DUDES! Let's do a GMG (Gordo Mentor Group) Virtual Triathlon. Pick a date. Pick a distance. Do the race 'together' and report the results here. No traveling, no crowded swim wave and best of all: no entry fees. Whaddya say. Justin, I'm gonna beat you! Nyah nyah nyah nah-nah dontletanoldladybeatyou! Suzy my only hope is some well-intentioned volunteer points you down the wrong road bwahhahhah. Matthew - just do it dude actually we could race together in real life couldn't we - where should we meet? Culpeper? My daughter can babysit. Gordo - aw c'mon you have to do the course twice. Ken? Laura? Everyone? |
| 2009-07-05 2:21 PM in reply to: #2262385 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Boulder, CO | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Sounds like fun for the virtual race. I'm in - July 19th works for me. |
| 2009-07-05 2:35 PM in reply to: #2261447 |
| Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring cjhild - 2009-07-04 11:05 AM I also bought a bike the other day What did you get?!? '09 Cervelo P1. Haven't gotten anything nice for myself in awhile and wanted to get something that could be used for several years without feeling like I needed to upgrade. Tried to go to the gym on Friday and it was closed due to the 4th of July holiday, but was then going to be open on the 4th. Makes no sense to me. Hope everyone is enjoying their (hopefully long) weekend. - Rob |
| 2009-07-05 3:34 PM in reply to: #2261553 |
Extreme Veteran 566 Southern California | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring What's your definition of "gain" I have no idea. Which probably answers my question. I am very comfortable with my current shoes, was just thinking it was something I "should" do. I guess just looking at something else to buy.  I will stick with mine till have any issues. |
| 2009-07-05 3:44 PM in reply to: #2261556 |
Extreme Veteran 566 Southern California | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Why don't you grab a buddy and create your own? Great idea G and B. I am in for the 19th as well. Barb- you good? I don't have anyone that will do the whole thing, but I do have a buddy that will do the bike leg with me (I plan to crush him). I am going to do a sprint, the distances of the Desert Triathlon I did in March and plan to do in 2010, 500 yd swim (this one will be a pool swim), 14 mile bike, and 3 mile run. I think my T1 will be pretty long as I have to negotiate the men's locker room out of the pool. |
| 2009-07-05 3:48 PM in reply to: #2262891 |
Extreme Veteran 566 Southern California | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring '09 Cervelo P1 <--------- Jealous. Awesome! I have been looking at the P1 as a possible first tri bike. I would like to go Cervelo and the P1 will be my price range when that time comes (could be awhile). Let us know how you like it. |
| 2009-07-06 4:16 PM in reply to: #2072085 |
New user 70 | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Speaking of Tri Bikes... after 6 years of riding my Trek 2300 road bike, I think it's time to move on to something else (one of my tri-buddies calls it the "lead sled"). I was fitted on it, and actually went from a 58cm Cannondale to a 60cm Trek. I trusted my bike guy at the time to dial in an accurate frame, but always just feel like the bike is too big for me.... don't want to make that same mistake again. |
| 2009-07-06 5:10 PM in reply to: #2072085 |
New user 70 | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring ....other option would be the Kestrel Talon... and BTW, G -- waiting for my first shipment of Kona Coffee from COH. |
| 2009-07-06 11:08 PM in reply to: #2262385 |
New user 70 | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring BabsVa - 2009-07-05 5:19 AM GordoByrn - 2009-07-04 1:00 PM cjhild I am a little down as I have no races scheduled. Why don't you grab a buddy and create your own? DUDES! Let's do a GMG (Gordo Mentor Group) Virtual Triathlon. Pick a date. Pick a distance. Do the race 'together' and report the results here. No traveling, no crowded swim wave and best of all: no entry fees. Whaddya say. Justin, I'm gonna beat you! Nyah nyah nyah nah-nah dontletanoldladybeatyou! Suzy my only hope is some well-intentioned volunteer points you down the wrong road bwahhahhah. Matthew - just do it dude actually we could race together in real life couldn't we - where should we meet? Culpeper? My daughter can babysit. Gordo - aw c'mon you have to do the course twice. Ken? Laura? Everyone? As much as I would like to compete (and be first out of the water  ) -- I really am trying to stay in my aerobic zone, until just before my first race in August. And today I found out I am going to a wedding that day... so my first race may not be until September. UNLESS I can figure out a way to drive home from Show Low (AZ) in time for the wedding, I would even clean off the race numbers and Hammer tattoos....My competitive juices are flowing.... nah. Have to stick with the training plan. Will pass on this go round... I will be cheering you all on, though -- no drafting! ken |
| 2009-07-07 6:52 AM in reply to: #2072085 |
Champion 7163  Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Hi All Sorry I have been MIA, I am at our house in Northern WI enjoying the clean lakes, cool weather and solitude! Waking up to crisp 50F is awesome and not grabbing weeds when you swim is priceless. We are having a load of people up here over the weekend of the 19th. How can I participate in the virtual tri??? In a prior mentor group, we gave ourselves two weeks to complete the events. Justin, I used to use MTB pedals and shoes and really liked them. Over the winter, I switched (due to some foot issues) to Shimano Dura Ace 7800s because they are lighter and seem to spread my weight more evenly. The big downside IMO is they are not double sided. I waste a little time making sure the pedal is upright. Otherwise, I like them a lot. G--two questions for you: 1. What is the longest B-R brick you recommend for your first time HIM'ers? I don't have my notes with me from the webinar and I was having that debate last night. Some go for long runs after a long bike, others say it is a way to set yourself up for an injury as a first timerl. 2. I have a friend (and no, it isn't me) who appears to be suffering from severe burn-out. She did TTT and HHH 200K and is signed up for IM WI again this year. She is quitting workouts mid stream or missing the goal, performing poorly at races and has an all around lackluster attitude, but keeps training. I try to tell her to take some time off, but she tells me IM WI is around the corner. Advice? |
| 2009-07-07 1:47 PM in reply to: #2262972 |
| Expert 626 | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring cjhild - 2009-07-05 4:44 PM Why don't you grab a buddy and create your own? Great idea G and B. I am in for the 19th as well. Barb- you good?
Awwwwright! I'm in. Sure Suzy do it anytime, I guess (I'm kind of assuming the role of virtual triathlon RD here ... hmmm let me scare up some good virtual swag for the participants ... KEN! Do it, just do it at your pace c'mon man |
| 2009-07-07 2:18 PM in reply to: #2267960 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring BabsVa - 2009-07-07 1:47 PM cjhild - 2009-07-05 4:44 PM Why don't you grab a buddy and create your own? Great idea G and B. I am in for the 19th as well. Barb- you good?
Awwwwright! I'm in. Sure Suzy do it anytime, I guess (I'm kind of assuming the role of virtual triathlon RD here ... hmmm let me scare up some good virtual swag for the participants ... KEN! Do it, just do it at your pace c'mon man Hey Barb Love the new avatar! |
| 2009-07-07 8:36 PM in reply to: #2265594 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Boulder, CO | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Ken in AZ - 2009-07-06 3:16 PM Speaking of Tri Bikes... after 6 years of riding my Trek 2300 road bike, I think it's time to move on to something else (one of my tri-buddies calls it the "lead sled"). I was fitted on it, and actually went from a 58cm Cannondale to a 60cm Trek. I trusted my bike guy at the time to dial in an accurate frame, but always just feel like the bike is too big for me.... don't want to make that same mistake again. Hi Ken, 1 - it certainly won't hurt - quite useful for all sports. 2 - I doubt it, that's not based on you, that's based on working with guys like you. So you might end up with different results. Freeing up your hips will make your more comfortable/economical in your existing position and will, likely, help your economy across all sports. 3 - it's a good bike but, for the money, you'll get more "speed" from buying a powertap so you can learn how you are training on your existing bike. g |
| 2009-07-07 8:42 PM in reply to: #2266584 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Boulder, CO | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring SSMinnow - 2009-07-07 5:52 AM Hi All G--two questions for you: 1. What is the longest B-R brick you recommend for your first time HIM'ers? I don't have my notes with me from the webinar and I was having that debate last night. Some go for long runs after a long bike, others say it is a way to set yourself up for an injury as a first timerl. 2. I have a friend (and no, it isn't me) who appears to be suffering from severe burn-out. She did TTT and HHH 200K and is signed up for IM WI again this year. She is quitting workouts mid stream or missing the goal, performing poorly at races and has an all around lackluster attitude, but keeps training. I try to tell her to take some time off, but she tells me IM WI is around the corner. Advice? 1 - For you, I recommend Swim/Bike/Run -- swim a little more than total distance then "brick" long enough so your total training (spread across the day) is at least as long as you will be racing. The run on that day should be no longer than 45 minutes. I also like building your long ride to the shorter of: (a) your race duration; and (b) six hours. Make this ride as continuous as possible and note HR/effort/pace/power by hour. It will go a long way to helping you wrap your head around how "easy" your steady effort feels early in the day. 2 - Tough situation and happens a lot. Give her your best advice through example; offer emotional support and give honest feedback when she asks. That tends to be how I play it. The best lessons are the ones that we learn for ourselves. g |
| 2009-07-07 9:08 PM in reply to: #2268865 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring GordoByrn - 2009-07-07 8:42 PM SSMinnow - 2009-07-07 5:52 AM Hi All G--two questions for you: 1. What is the longest B-R brick you recommend for your first time HIM'ers? I don't have my notes with me from the webinar and I was having that debate last night. Some go for long runs after a long bike, others say it is a way to set yourself up for an injury as a first timerl. 2. I have a friend (and no, it isn't me) who appears to be suffering from severe burn-out. She did TTT and HHH 200K and is signed up for IM WI again this year. She is quitting workouts mid stream or missing the goal, performing poorly at races and has an all around lackluster attitude, but keeps training. I try to tell her to take some time off, but she tells me IM WI is around the corner. Advice? 1 - For you, I recommend Swim/Bike/Run -- swim a little more than total distance then "brick" long enough so your total training (spread across the day) is at least as long as you will be racing. The run on that day should be no longer than 45 minutes. I also like building your long ride to the shorter of: (a) your race duration; and (b) six hours. Make this ride as continuous as possible and note HR/effort/pace/power by hour. It will go a long way to helping you wrap your head around how "easy" your steady effort feels early in the day. 2 - Tough situation and happens a lot. Give her your best advice through example; offer emotional support and give honest feedback when she asks. That tends to be how I play it. The best lessons are the ones that we learn for ourselves. g Perfect, thanks. I just got done reading about your commitment to training to a plan on TP. It will be interesting to see how well it goes and how hard it is to stick to it. There are times when I add a few more run or bike miles to my daily workout. And there are other times I feel like I should be doing more and am tempted to add an extra bike or run to the day, but don't. The good news is I can blow off that steam by swimming more which we both know I need. Good luck. |
| 2009-07-07 10:12 PM in reply to: #2268853 |
New user 70 | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring GordoByrn - 2009-07-07 6:36 PM Ken in AZ - 2009-07-06 3:16 PM Speaking of Tri Bikes... after 6 years of riding my Trek 2300 road bike, I think it's time to move on to something else (one of my tri-buddies calls it the "lead sled"). I was fitted on it, and actually went from a 58cm Cannondale to a 60cm Trek. I trusted my bike guy at the time to dial in an accurate frame, but always just feel like the bike is too big for me.... don't want to make that same mistake again. Hi Ken, 1 - it certainly won't hurt - quite useful for all sports. 2 - I doubt it, that's not based on you, that's based on working with guys like you. So you might end up with different results. Freeing up your hips will make your more comfortable/economical in your existing position and will, likely, help your economy across all sports. 3 - it's a good bike but, for the money, you'll get more "speed" from buying a powertap so you can learn how you are training on your existing bike. g Thanks Gordo, grateful as always for the input, a couple of follow ups if I may: 1. How about a Cervelo with a Power Tap? May be a possibility... the follow up to that would be, can I race with the Power Tap wheels? Can a PT be useful to me without really having the assistance of a coach? 2. When you say "guys like me," what are you referring to? I am not in the least way offended, I am just curious if you are talking about my back issues, tight hammies, 6'1" frame??? And of course if there is any information you have put together on EC related to my 'guy type,' I would love to take a look at it. Excited that I just got 2 new books from Amazon -- Phil Maffetone's new edition of In Fitness and In Health; and Mark Allen's book Fit Soul, Fit Body. That one may challenge some of my spiritual beliefs, but I am open to reading it and applying it to my life in a suitable way... G, thanks again for the info. I will be looking for a new bike, it's just time (not so much a definite move to tri geometry, my bike just has a lot of miles on it and it sure is heavy, time for carbon)... and will talk to my local tri shop about Powertaps as well... ken |
| 2009-07-07 11:46 PM in reply to: #2072085 |
New user 70 | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Regarding the virtual tri... HEAT is the big issue here. By the time the Y opens up, it is way too hot to swim, then bike and run. Tomorrow morning when I head out on my bike ride at 6AM, it will already be mid 80s... other option might be separate days for each sport? I may be able to play along if we open up like a 1 month window, as I am hopefully racing 8/15 in Show Low AZ. |
| 2009-07-08 1:27 PM in reply to: #2269173 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Ken in AZ - 2009-07-07 11:46 PM Regarding the virtual tri... HEAT is the big issue here. By the time the Y opens up, it is way too hot to swim, then bike and run. Tomorrow morning when I head out on my bike ride at 6AM, it will already be mid 80s... other option might be separate days for each sport? I may be able to play along if we open up like a 1 month window, as I am hopefully racing 8/15 in Show Low AZ. The last time I did a virtual tri with a mentor group, we did the workouts whenever we could,but it was a set distance --400y/12m/5K. We were actually on teams which gave it a different twist. My team came in last . I am doing a Sprint on Saturday that I could count, otherwise I will be doing the events one at a time. I have a plan and am sticking to it!Suzy |
| 2009-07-08 6:04 PM in reply to: #2269073 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Boulder, CO | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Ken in AZ - 2009-07-07 9:12 PM GordoByrn - 2009-07-07 6:36 PM Ken in AZ - 2009-07-06 3:16 PM 1. How about a Cervelo with a Power Tap? May be a possibility... the follow up to that would be, can I race with the Power Tap wheels? Can a PT be useful to me without really having the assistance of a coach? 2. When you say "guys like me," what are you referring to? I am not in the least way offended, I am just curious if you are talking about my back issues, tight hammies, 6'1" frame??? And of course if there is any information you have put together on EC related to my 'guy type,' I would love to take a look at it. Excited that I just got 2 new books from Amazon -- Phil Maffetone's new edition of In Fitness and In Health; and Mark Allen's book Fit Soul, Fit Body. That one may challenge some of my spiritual beliefs, but I am open to reading it and applying it to my life in a suitable way... G, thanks again for the info. I will be looking for a new bike, it's just time (not so much a definite move to tri geometry, my bike just has a lot of miles on it and it sure is heavy, time for carbon)... and will talk to my local tri shop about Powertaps as well... ken Hi Ken, 1 - the PT will help you understand what you are already doing -- all you need to do is research my public training log and you'll be able to see how to use it. As well, plenty of free information on the web as well as my website. PowerTap wheels will be far faster to the finish line than any race wheel (without power) the reason is that you will be able to better measure your output and see where you can save energy. 2 - yes, I was talking about men with your physiological structure and fitness. Try riding an aggressive position for 90 minutes without leaving the aerobars (before you buy) and you'll quickly see what I mean. Your best bet for saving weight is superior nutritional choices for the rider. That's always been my approach. g |
| 2009-07-08 7:02 PM in reply to: #2072085 |
New user 70 | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Thanks G. Great advice as always. Your public training log -- is that through EC? |
| 2009-07-09 1:14 PM in reply to: #2271491 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Boulder, CO | Subject: RE: GordoByrn's Group Full for the Spring Ken in AZ - 2009-07-08 6:02 PM Thanks G. Great advice as always. Your public training log -- is that through EC? www.trainingpeaks.com/gordo g |
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