brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! (Page 21)

GoGoGo - 2010-04-22 4:37 AM QOTD:  Looks like many of you are experienced, but if not, here goes...

Do you use a quick lace system for your running shoes?  If so, which?  Lock Laces, YankZ?

I think these are great.  My running shoes always get these, right out of the box.   

Have a good day fellas & lady. 

croixfan - 2010-04-21 7:46 PM Guys,

Appreciate the posts and info.  Don't feel like I'm adding a whole lot as I'm only about a month in and just learning / building the basics.  However, am learning a ton from the discussions and observing.

Biggest help to me is knowing that you're checking up on me / providing feedback and guidance.  Provides a bit of extra motivation to get to the gym and make sure the log is up to date on training/nutrition.

On the negative side, all the talk of HRMs, MTBs, and other toys is likely to cause a drain on the wallet!!!

shmeeg - 2010-04-21 5:08 PM

im gonna give this a shot tonight.  seeing as how ive never really cycled, only monitored HR during spin class, do i just try to go balls out at what i think is a 30 min pace?  is there a mpg or cadence range that might benefit me to stay in to make it the whole ride?  i dont wanna blow up 1/2 way through :D

GoGoGo - 2010-04-22 2:37 AM QOTD:  Looks like many of you are experienced, but if not, here goes...

Do you use a quick lace system for your running shoes?  If so, which?  Lock Laces, YankZ?

I think these are great.  My running shoes always get these, right out of the box.   

Have a good day fellas & lady. 

brick94513 - 2010-04-22 8:30 AM

Sorry, I'm a little behind here.  We had phone line problems at work last night.

Setting a pace for a steady-state all out exertion is hard.  I try to keep my cadence between 92-95, which is a little high for me.  But, if you don't keep it a little high with slightly lighter existance, it is really hard to make the half hour.  As a guide, you should be around an RPE of 7.  The is where your ventilatory threshold can be approximated.  You know you've reach this point when you really don't want to talk or, when talking, it's in couple word sentences.

When doing the test, have a fan, towel, and water available.  Its tough!

brick94513 - 2010-04-22 6:43 AM

163-168 seems about right.  In a clinical setting, you have to search for a facility that does VO2 max testing for cyclists.  You would want the VO2 max and LT blood test done.

I'm going to be doing the test at UC Davis.  With all this interest, I'm going to try and schedule it sooner so I get some photos and information across to everyone.  I'll be doing it for running, but the test is obviouosly similar as far as procedure.

brick94513 - 2010-04-21 6:49 PM

1.  I thought that the reason we add speed work in our training is that it actually improves our lactate threshold.  Maybe it doesn't need to go quite to max HR.  However, elite athletes seem to have an uncanny ability to sprint to max hr and recover quickly.  I have been told that they train this by doing hills and sprints.  I got to train with Robbie Ventura this winter.  He told me that, while most triathletes don't, he thought speed work and hills (strength training on the bike) once a week is highly beneficially to overall speed.

In my opinion, you need to drop the concept of max HR.  I don't know my max HR and I don't want to know.  I know roughly where my LTHR reside and thats the number I care about.  LTHR is mostly determined by genetics, but can be improved through a combination of steady-state riding, speedwork, and hill work.  However, my point is that by riding below your LTHR, you develop base and gentle build.  As you build, you will become faster at a slower HR.  This takes years!  Similar to running, there are speedwork and hill drills, but you don't take these on during every ride.  These drills are intended for short duration and longer recovery before repeat.  I challenge you to sprint anaerobically for more than 5-10 minutes.

2.  You and I also race MTB's which I believe training above your lactate threashold is highly beneficial for tackling hill climbs and overtaking opponents trying to drop you.

Yes!  But these are "bursts."  I'm not going to head into a 5-10 mile hill climb anaerobic.  This is a recipe for disaster.  I'm going to settle in a few beats under my LTHR for the long haul.

Is you're opinion that I shouldn't be worrying about training this as much as I am?

No.  I think it is highly beneficial to know how to train via HR.  But, in my opinion, you need to know your LTHR before any of the numbers make sense.  If you have a bike trainer, get it out, and conduct the test I posted.

Once you have the number, then you know your base.  From here, you can monitor your training and assess progression.  But be forewarned, it takes years of riding, running, or swimming to influence your LTHR, VT threshold, and VO2 max.

Also, comparing your LTHR to anyone is meaningless.  There are to many variables.

I don't mean to confrontational LOL

Don't even worry about that.  This is a good conversation.  This my my perspective and how I train, so take it for what it's worth.

GoGoGo - 2010-04-21 7:08 PM
I'm with Tim, I am not patient enough to wait.

When choosing a Tri-Bike (or road bike), there are several thing to consider.

Usually you can get an excellent bike for around $3000.  The benefits increase rapidly from $1000-3000.  From there, the benefits increase marginally.  You save 150g (1/3 bottle of water!), etc.  Race wheels are usually included, which is a cookie cutter approach.  We all have different weights, windiness of city, etc. & it is nice to choose your wheel, if that is important to you

Some other points to consider...

P4 is an expensive bike...if you want nothing but the best, you may not want to budge.  If your wallet says you to afford it, you could wait or consider another brand such as Felt, Cannondale, Specialized or Trek.  The all have high end bikes.  Look at the Shiv by Specialized, for example!

Otherwise you could come down a little, eg P3 & as you said consider race wheels.  Still very fast & light bike.

You won't go wrong either way!

 I bet you could easily sell P3 next year if you needed to & roll it into a P4

JMHO 

GoGoGo - 2010-04-22 4:37 AM QOTD:  Looks like many of you are experienced, but if not, here goes...

Do you use a quick lace system for your running shoes?  If so, which?  Lock Laces, YankZ?

I think these are great.  My running shoes always get these, right out of the box.   

Have a good day fellas & lady. 

GoGoGo - 2010-04-22 2:37 AM QOTD:  Looks like many of you are experienced, but if not, here goes...

Do you use a quick lace system for your running shoes?  If so, which?  Lock Laces, YankZ?

I think these are great.  My running shoes always get these, right out of the box.   

Have a good day fellas & lady. 

shmeeg - 2010-04-21 2:58 PM

David...or Dave, which do you prefer?

anywho, nice work!  i WISH i could swim even 1/2 that far w/o stopping.  keep it up! 

GoGoGo - 2010-04-22 4:37 AM QOTD:  Looks like many of you are experienced, but if not, here goes...

Do you use a quick lace system for your running shoes?  If so, which?  Lock Laces, YankZ?

I think these are great.  My running shoes always get these, right out of the box.   

Have a good day fellas & lady. 

norcal_SAHD - 2010-04-22 9:34 AM

Call me David I guess, I don't really care though.  Hey, I jumped in the pool last June and barely made it 100 yards...  Now I can go forever!  slowly...  Yesterday's 1000tt was a first, I've never swam that hard for that long.  I've swam further than that before, but never at that effort level.  That was quite a bit faster than I would attempt in a race, I was fully kicking and trying to finish up with no strength left.  I really focussed on keeping my cadence up as high as I could without my stroke falling apart, the last 100 was ROUGH!

GoGoGo - 2010-04-22 2:37 AM QOTD:  Looks like many of you are experienced, but if not, here goes...

Do you use a quick lace system for your running shoes?  If so, which?  Lock Laces, YankZ?

I think these are great.  My running shoes always get these, right out of the box.   

Have a good day fellas & lady. 

shmeeg - 2010-04-22 10:23 AM

i grabbed a pair of zoot shoes to wear recently.  i like em, the built in lace locks work good.  i was lookin at yankz last weekend to throw in some of my other shoes too.

dhopman - 2010-04-22 2:08 PM

Last night I was able to squeeze in 45 minutes on the trainer after dinner while my gf watched her new favorite show "Parenthood".

I'm swimming tonight for the first time in the last three weeks. The pool has been shut down for a new filtration system. My Wildflower Oly is in 10 days and I've been slacking!

Meulen - 2010-04-22 2:02 PM I planned on riding tonight but it's supposed to be in the 40's tonight.  Being I didn't feel that good yesterday and not exactly 100% today I think I'll pass.  I'll try to do some weight training and maybe a swim tonight.

SAWFISH50 - 2010-04-22 12:24 PM



Dont feel bad even if I feel 100% I won't ride outside unless it is firmly in the upper 60's... Call me a wimp..LOL!!