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LittleCat - 2012-04-09 8:55 AM

Last 120 mile bike today with an estimated 6100 feet of gain. Definitly ready to start slowly shutting it down. Was scheduled to do it last week but I had a mild cold(I am a life long severe asthmatic so pushing the envelope with even a mild cold can land me iin the ER really easily, so HTFU doesn't apply here)


This is my peak week and thankfully have an extra day off work to help it go down easier-just onee of the many benefits of having a former RAAM racer/former national champion as a boss


That is my kind of ride, kiddo! Well done!


2012-04-09 12:23 PM
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LittleCat - 2012-04-05 11:57 PM You know when you're really tired when at mile 11 of a 12 mile run when you start up a hill you reach out for your shifter. Feel free to add your own.

I've been tweeting something like this the past few weeks as i think of them:

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2012-04-09 5:58 PM
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I think the 910XT is having problems with elevation gain/loss.  I've had the Edge 500 for a few years and just got the 910 in Feb.  I've done a few known rides using both devices and the 910 is recording much more climb than the Edge.  This past weekend the 910 had 10,200 feet of gain (and 11,200 feet of loss!) for a known ride that starts and finishes at the same place.  The Edge had 8,200, which is about what I think it should be.  All other metrics were within .05%, so something just seems wrong with the elevation gain.

A friend rode the IMSG course a few weeks ago and uploaded to Strava.  He had about 6,000' of climb.  I'll look around for some GCs using the Edge devices as I think those are the most accurate right now...Here's one: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/84168886 (7,000')

Next up for me is Boston and then the Mount Laguna Classic next weekend before tapering off for the race.  Hopefully, the water won't be any colder than Oceanside - I know we're still a ways out, but anyone know what the temps are these days?  Are we looking at mid-50s?

2012-04-09 7:23 PM
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No way it's 6000. I know so many people locally who have done the race, trained on the course, I have as well, and there's no way that's 6000 feet. I mean it's hilly, it's not that hilly.
2012-04-09 8:10 PM
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bryancd - 2012-04-09 7:23 PM

No way it's 6000. I know so many people locally who have done the race, trained on the course, I have as well, and there's no way that's 6000 feet. I mean it's hilly, it's not that hilly.


X2. This is my first season with a Garmin but I've raced SG twice and I do a bunch of 100+ mile training rides that are known to be between 5500 and 6200 feet of gain and SG goes down easier and faster. I'd be surprised if SG is over 5000, probably closer to 4500.

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LittleCat - 2012-04-09 8:10 PM
bryancd - 2012-04-09 7:23 PM No way it's 6000. I know so many people locally who have done the race, trained on the course, I have as well, and there's no way that's 6000 feet. I mean it's hilly, it's not that hilly.
X2. This is my first season with a Garmin but I've raced SG twice and I do a bunch of 100+ mile training rides that are known to be between 5500 and 6200 feet of gain and SG goes down easier and faster. I'd be surprised if SG is over 5000, probably closer to 4500.

Music to my ears as a flatlander.  I'll be an interesting test for this bike course.   



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bryancd - 2012-04-09 11:45 AM

LittleCat - 2012-04-09 8:55 AM

Last 120 mile bike today with an estimated 6100 feet of gain. Definitly ready to start slowly shutting it down. Was scheduled to do it last week but I had a mild cold(I am a life long severe asthmatic so pushing the envelope with even a mild cold can land me iin the ER really easily, so HTFU doesn't apply here)


This is my peak week and thankfully have an extra day off work to help it go down easier-just onee of the many benefits of having a former RAAM racer/former national champion as a boss


That is my kind of ride, kiddo! Well done!


It went down with some challenges. First was my crappy attitude that I fought till mile 30. Connected with the session well, with some help from a coke and a cupcake with a mound of frosting at mile 90

121 miles, 6009 feet of gain, 7:01 time, avg cadence 65-yep I'm a card carrying masher!
2012-04-09 8:26 PM
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PbMan - 2012-04-08 11:20 PM

The rumor raging around St. George is that this will be the last year. Info is from multiple people in high places. The city has the option to have it back next year but as a 70.3. It was fun while it lasted. Can't imagine the city turning down the 70.3. Lots of dollars at stake.

Glad I'm doing it this year.  Most HIM/IM triathletes/coaches I talk to say I'm crazy to pick this course/race.  Too hilly and too tough for a flatlander.  They say nobody produces an impressive time on this course and it has the highest DNF numbers.  I really enjoy scenic courses and totally loved CdA.  Having done Miami 70.3, and Longhorn 70.3, and Lonestar 70.3, I could not imagine doing IMFL, IMTX, or IMAZ.  I need a real challenge and want a scenic view to boot.  Unfortunately, time is really important to most triathletes and so is effort.  Throw that with an early year race and I'm not surprised with the participant numbers.  Most people are scared of this course.                  

2012-04-09 8:31 PM
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Great last 4 days for me.  Hammered the s_h_i_t out of my 11 mile tempo run today.........feeling totally fantastic.  Last super long ride and run this weekend.  Fingers crossed that the body holds up.   
2012-04-09 9:34 PM
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LittleCat - 2012-04-09 6:25 PM Connected with the session well, with some help from a coke and a cupcake with a mound of frosting at mile 90 121 miles, 6009 feet of gain, 7:01 time, avg cadence 65-yep I'm a card carrying masher!

I bet that cupcake hit the spot! The best treats I've ever had were associated with long events. A couple of summers ago, I was out on a hard 75-mile ride with temps in the upper 80s. I was 15 miles from home and running out of energy in a hurry. I pulled into a mini-mart and bought an ice cream sandwich. Best one I've ever had. Utterly fantastic. Cruised home the rest of the way with a big smile on my face.

The other one was the half of a Snickers bar I had in my run special needs bag at CdA last year. Man, that was soooo good.

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3Aims - 2012-04-09 6:26 PM 

Glad I'm doing it this year.  Most HIM/IM triathletes/coaches I talk to say I'm crazy to pick this course/race.  Too hilly and too tough for a flatlander.  They say nobody produces an impressive time on this course and it has the highest DNF numbers.  I really enjoy scenic courses and totally loved CdA.  Having done Miami 70.3, and Longhorn 70.3, and Lonestar 70.3, I could not imagine doing IMFL, IMTX, or IMAZ.  I need a real challenge and want a scenic view to boot.  Unfortunately, time is really important to most triathletes and so is effort.  Throw that with an early year race and I'm not surprised with the participant numbers.  Most people are scared of this course.                  

Agreed. A challenging course definitely has it's own allure. I understand why people like fast courses or ones that are perceived to be less difficult. Heck, I looked for marathon courses like that when I was going for PRs. But I also appreciate a good challenge. I think some people worry they will fall apart on a hard course and finish near the back, but they forget everybody else is doing the same hard course too. The funnest events I remember doing are things like RAMROD (Ride Around Mt. Rainier in One Day) - 150 miles with 10,000 feet climbing - and Tour de Blast (climb to Mt. St. Helens) - 6,200 feet climbing in 82 miles. Sharing challenges like that with a group of people is just fun.

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3Aims - 2012-04-09 6:31 PM Great last 4 days for me.  Hammered the s_h_i_t out of my 11 mile tempo run today.........feeling totally fantastic.  Last super long ride and run this weekend.  Fingers crossed that the body holds up.   

Nice work! Best wishes for your body holding up.

2012-04-10 10:19 AM
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Cool. Thanks for the elevation info. I was just wondering for time projection purposes. See you guys out there!
2012-04-10 10:29 AM
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Glad I'm doing it this year.  Most HIM/IM triathletes/coaches I talk to say I'm crazy to pick this course/race.  Too hilly and too tough for a flatlander.  They say nobody produces an impressive time on this course and it has the highest DNF numbers.  I really enjoy scenic courses and totally loved CdA.  Having done Miami 70.3, and Longhorn 70.3, and Lonestar 70.3, I could not imagine doing IMFL, IMTX, or IMAZ.  I need a real challenge and want a scenic view to boot.  Unfortunately, time is really important to most triathletes and so is effort.  Throw that with an early year race and I'm not surprised with the participant numbers.  Most people are scared of this course.                  

Agreed. A challenging course definitely has it's own allure. I understand why people like fast courses or ones that are perceived to be less difficult. Heck, I looked for marathon courses like that when I was going for PRs. But I also appreciate a good challenge. I think some people worry they will fall apart on a hard course and finish near the back, but they forget everybody else is doing the same hard course too. The funnest events I remember doing are things like RAMROD (Ride Around Mt. Rainier in One Day) - 150 miles with 10,000 feet climbing - and Tour de Blast (climb to Mt. St. Helens) - 6,200 feet climbing in 82 miles. Sharing challenges like that with a group of people is just fun.

Brad



X3. I struggle on flat courses simply because I get bored and then lose focus. I like the constant change in scenery and terrain, plus my body doesnt get so tight from being stuck in one position the whole time.


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http://connect.garmin.com/activity/166624429  finished my last big ride Saturday, 100 mile ride/7500 gain, Rode what is probably the toughest climb in Southern California and where the TOC will finish this year. Took me over 2 hours to climb this beast, followed it up with a 13 mile run.  

Had lots of time to think during the whole ordeal and wondered if I should of just saved lots of money and vacation time and done my own self supported Ironman. Mainly doing this event to check Ironman off my bucket list, doubt I will ever do another.

Oh well riding my motorcycle out to Utah and doing a week of backpacking afterwards has me equally excited as finishing the event.  

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bryancd - 2012-04-09 11:45 AM

LittleCat - 2012-04-09 8:55 AM

Last 120 mile bike today with an estimated 6100 feet of gain. Definitly ready to start slowly shutting it down. Was scheduled to do it last week but I had a mild cold(I am a life long severe asthmatic so pushing the envelope with even a mild cold can land me iin the ER really easily, so HTFU doesn't apply here)


This is my peak week and thankfully have an extra day off work to help it go down easier-just onee of the many benefits of having a former RAAM racer/former national champion as a boss


That is my kind of ride, kiddo! Well done!


Thanks! The best part really is that my legs still felt good, and today I have zero soreness/tightness. This makes me incredibly happy-hard work paying off.


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Water temp as of 4/8 is listed at 59 degrees.
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LittleCat - 2012-04-11 7:29 PM Water temp as of 4/8 is listed at 59 degrees.

 

I swam in 46ish degree temp today here in N. Utah so 59 will feel nice (I'm headed down to St. George this weekend for one more training block on the course). Today I swam out to a bouy, and back to the shore (approx 300yds) where I had large bucket of hot water that I would pour down my wetsuit, and then repeat those out and backs. Didn't dare get to far from the shore with as cold as it was.

Speaking of water safety, last year I bought this ISHOF Safer Swim http://www.ishof.org/cgi-bin/mivavm?/Merchant2/merchant.mvc+Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=SF that you blow up and pull behind you - you can also stash your keys, wallet, phone and it all stays dry. Maybe some of you already know about it, but for people like me that swim alone out on the open water, it's provides a little peace of mind (not to mention that because it's bright orange, your more visible to waverunners, boats etc that have ignored the areas that say 'no boats). I use it on every OWS practice.

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Does any one know how accurate map my ride is in regards to elevation? It seems dead on with mileage but I don't have a garmin or anything to cross check for elevation.  

Just wondering about a couple rides I did. 

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Does any one know how accurate map my ride is in regards to elevation? It seems dead on with mileage but I don't have a garmin or anything to cross check for elevation.  

Just wondering about a couple rides I did. 

 

I was wondering the same thing. I've been tracking the elevation of my rides on mapmyride and kind of comparing them to the 5000ft of climbing listed on the St George website. I pulled up a St George profile on map my ride to get an idea of how long/steep the climbs are which helped me plan out some other rides in my area to get a sense of what it would be like.  

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LittleCat - 2012-04-11 6:29 PM

Water temp as of 4/8 is listed at 59 degrees.


It will likely warm up a few degrees between now and the 5th, weather here is going to continue to get warm and sunny, although it will be cool and rainy this Saturday.


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Does any one know how accurate map my ride is in regards to elevation? It seems dead on with mileage but I don't have a garmin or anything to cross check for elevation.  

Just wondering about a couple rides I did. 



Probably even less accurate then a 310.
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yeah, but i don't have a 310 or anything.  You saying you think map my ride could be a bit off?  as in too generous when figuring elev?
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ridingsdc - 2012-04-12 4:52 PM

yeah, but i don't have a 310 or anything.  You saying you think map my ride could be a bit off?  as in too generous when figuring elev?


I don't know why king of algorithm they use but no way it could be very accurate but not clear if I would be high or low.
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ok, thanks.  I'll just tell myself it was 80miles 10k ft of elevation gain, in the nastiest driving wind and heat storm possible all while dragging a breakCool    oh yeahhh
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