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tri808 - 2010-04-18 8:39 PM Got in a good long run today...11 miles at around a 9:10 pace...which is pretty brisk for me.  Normally I'm around the 10mm range for anything over 10 miles.  I guess my legs felt really good because I didn't do anything on Saturday...it was a UHD for me...unexpected hangover day.  I don't remember much of Friday night...just that I woke up on my friend's couch.






Dude, we should be best friends. Haha. I dont remember most of my friday night... just that I woke up on my recliner in the basement.


2010-04-19 9:43 AM
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Congrats to all that raced this weekend and great job on all the PR's!

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Thomasski - 2010-04-18 11:34 PM   I don't remember much of Friday night...just that I woke up on my friend's couch.




Dude, we should be best friends. Haha. I dont remember most of my friday night... just that I woke up on my recliner in the basement.


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2010-04-19 11:56 AM
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my race report for sunday - http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=204109

PR overall, with a PR in run and a race PR in swim.  9/22 in AG - my AG was competitive this time around! and fast on the run!!!



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barelfly - 2010-04-19 10:56 AM

my race report for sunday - http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=204109

PR overall, with a PR in run and a race PR in swim. 9/22 in AG - my AG was competitive this time around! and fast on the run!!!



nice!!!



and it sounds like everyone had an exciting weekend, race or otherwise!
2010-04-19 12:58 PM
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I was looking at the AG race results and was shocked at two things:

1. just how darn fast my AG was in the run. Here I am busting out a 25:15 5k and I was 18/22! I couldn't believe most times were 22s, 23s and 24s. in the past, a few low times, most near 24
2. where I came in on the bike - 5/22 - I knew I could ride ok, but I've never ridden with a group to see where I stand (if that makes sense, just a comparison to other riders) - so it's a feel good thing I guess.

And I know it's you against the clock and you don't control who comes out to compete or how they perform. it just made me laugh when I looked at this closer.

but I'll stick with my plan - focus on the bike to cut a larger % of time and continue to improve my run/swim legs.

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2010-04-19 1:51 PM
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barelfly - 2010-04-19 8:58 AM I was looking at the AG race results and was shocked at two things:

1. just how darn fast my AG was in the run. Here I am busting out a 25:15 5k and I was 18/22! I couldn't believe most times were 22s, 23s and 24s. in the past, a few low times, most near 24
2. where I came in on the bike - 5/22 - I knew I could ride ok, but I've never ridden with a group to see where I stand (if that makes sense, just a comparison to other riders) - so it's a feel good thing I guess.

And I know it's you against the clock and you don't control who comes out to compete or how they perform. it just made me laugh when I looked at this closer.

but I'll stick with my plan - focus on the bike to cut a larger % of time and continue to improve my run/swim legs.


I think it would be fair to say that you stuck to a good plan...and many others in your AG went out too fast on the run...and paid for it on the bike.  I haven't done a reverse tri...but I imagine it's very different than a standard one.
2010-04-19 2:04 PM
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I just got back from USAT Collegiate National Championship at 3AM this morning.  I'm working on the official race report now, but here is the rundown.

Record rainfall in Lubbock Texas this weekend, just beating out the rainfall of last year's championship.
Insane race with insane conditions.
Going to the emergency room in Illinois with another teammate because we were both severely dehydrated.

I think this can stimulate a discussion about hydration theories and strategies.
2010-04-19 2:19 PM
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carlwithac - 2010-04-19 2:04 PM I just got back from USAT Collegiate National Championship at 3AM this morning.  I'm working on the official race report now, but here is the rundown.

Record rainfall in Lubbock Texas this weekend, just beating out the rainfall of last year's championship.
Insane race with insane conditions.
Going to the emergency room in Illinois with another teammate because we were both severely dehydrated.

I think this can stimulate a discussion about hydration theories and strategies.


Wow! I hope you are ok now. Maybe they should look into other venues for next year Surprised 

Looking forward to reading your race report.
2010-04-19 2:37 PM
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Newbz,

First, thanks for the helmet advice, got a used Giro Advantage 2 here on BT at a good price.  This will drop 3-4 min on my next 40k split right??? (J/k).

Also saw in the main forum your post about the short crank arms.  Whats the theory/rational behind this?  Or a link to a previous thread/website for some background?

Thanks.
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carlwithac - 2010-04-19 3:04 PM I just got back from USAT Collegiate National Championship at 3AM this morning.  I'm working on the official race report now, but here is the rundown.

Record rainfall in Lubbock Texas this weekend, just beating out the rainfall of last year's championship.
Insane race with insane conditions.
Going to the emergency room in Illinois with another teammate because we were both severely dehydrated.

I think this can stimulate a discussion about hydration theories and strategies.


Good stuff (well, doing the race, not the hospital).  RD at my race announced that you guys had mandatory bike dismounts to cross standing water....fun!


2010-04-19 5:27 PM
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Thomasski - 2010-04-18 6:34 PM
tri808 - 2010-04-18 8:39 PM Got in a good long run today...11 miles at around a 9:10 pace...which is pretty brisk for me.  Normally I'm around the 10mm range for anything over 10 miles.  I guess my legs felt really good because I didn't do anything on Saturday...it was a UHD for me...unexpected hangover day.  I don't remember much of Friday night...just that I woke up on my friend's couch.






Dude, we should be best friends. Haha. I dont remember most of my friday night... just that I woke up on my recliner in the basement.


We probably are best friends...we just don't remember...LOL
2010-04-19 6:57 PM
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I found the official results for my 5k on Saturday.  (They finally posted them.)  Officially I got 6th place overall and 2nd AG.  My official time was 21 flat, which is a 3 second improvement over my Garmin.  I'll def take the additional 3 seconds off cause it makes so much difference.  There were 160+ people competing overall so the field wasn't big but I'll enjoy my success because it's probably as close to the podium as I will get in my racing career.

Here are the results if anyone cares to look. 
http://www.onturfsports.com/Runners/images/Discover_Roanoke_2010_5K_Overall_results.pdf



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DirkP - 2010-04-19 5:57 PM

I found the official results for my 5k on Saturday. (They finally posted them.) Officially I got 6th place overall and 2nd AG. My official time was 21 flat, which is a 3 second improvement over my Garmin. I'll def take the additional 3 seconds off cause it makes so much difference. There were 160+ people competing overall so the field wasn't big but I'll enjoy my success because it's probably as close to the podium as I will get in my racing career.

Here are the results if anyone cares to look.
http://www.onturfsports.com/Runners/images/Discover_Roanoke_2010_5K_Overall_results.pdf




nice!!!!

see, you can run fast!
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jsiegs - 2010-04-19 1:37 PM

Newbz,

First, thanks for the helmet advice, got a used Giro Advantage 2 here on BT at a good price. This will drop 3-4 min on my next 40k split right??? (J/k).

Also saw in the main forum your post about the short crank arms. Whats the theory/rational behind this? Or a link to a previous thread/website for some background?

Thanks.



Simply put, the shorter cranks will decrease/open up the hip angle a bit, but at the cost of higher cadence/cardio strain and slightly less muscle fatigue.

HR will be higher for the same speeds, cadence will go up (for me its up about 4-6 beats from the ones i had before for the same gearing).

because of the shorter crank arms, your saddle goes up the amount from whatever length you came from before (as your pedals are now X closer to the bottom bracket).
2010-04-19 9:02 PM
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Carl,

What the hell happened man?  You can't just throw half a story out there.  I hope all is good. 


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carl what did you do? everything OK?

Fire off some hydration/fueling questions and we'll get talking about htem.

On a side note, here is a bit more from work the past few days: http://davidsavoiesports.blogspot.com/
2010-04-20 12:51 AM
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tri808 - 2010-04-18 8:39 PM Got in a good long run today...11 miles at around a 9:10 pace...which is pretty brisk for me.  Normally I'm around the 10mm range for anything over 10 miles.  I guess my legs felt really good because I didn't do anything on Saturday...it was a UHD for me...unexpected hangover day.  I don't remember much of Friday night...just that I woke up on my friend's couch.






Dude, we should be best friends. Haha. I dont remember most of my friday night... just that I woke up on my recliner in the basement.


We probably are best friends...we just don't remember...LOL



Yeah we must have partied before when I went on an around the country drinking binge. haha. And it has almost happened. Alaska to Minnesota to D.C. to Atlanta to Houston to Florida. All in three days. Haha

But on a more serious note for the rest of the group who would like to give me some advice on swimming. I am going to start swimming this week... physical therapist says it ok.. and I need a good volume training plan. I dont want to do any interval work or even worry about being fast. I just want to build the volume to swim in a HIM late this summer. I could care less about my swimming time I just want to swim it and not die. I am thinking I could just do slow technique swimming but I cant think of a good plan. I will probably only want to swim 3 days a week. Any ideas would be awesome.
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DirkP - 2010-04-19 7:57 PM I found the official results for my 5k on Saturday.  (They finally posted them.)  Officially I got 6th place overall and 2nd AG.  My official time was 21 flat, which is a 3 second improvement over my Garmin.  I'll def take the additional 3 seconds off cause it makes so much difference.  There were 160+ people competing overall so the field wasn't big but I'll enjoy my success because it's probably as close to the podium as I will get in my racing career.

Here are the results if anyone cares to look. 
http://www.onturfsports.com/Runners/images/Discover_Roanoke_2010_5K_Overall_results.pdf



Nice job Dirk,  you are officially fast.  When you run, do you make loud race car noises too?  Because I would.
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Hey all. Ive been/will be quite busy a couple of weekends. traveling and stuff.


what are some easy exercises you do. just to relax and not be completly idle?

the orchestra I play with, will have some concerts so Im sucked by music right now.Tongue out
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Question about HR training.....I am new to HR training, and this is my first time to train by zones. Last season and my half marathon plan I went off of RPE. I have a very hard time keeping in Z2 (steady state) on the run. I am NOT fast by any means but Z2 is a walk for me.....my current zones are:

Zone 1 (WU) 121-137
Zone 2 (Steady State) 138-160
Zone 3 (Tempo) 161-171
Zone 4 (Interval) 172-178

I understand that other variables and factors can contribute to HR like nutrition, stress, weather, ect......but I had to walk to bring my HR back down from the high 170's. I didn't feel out of breath and I wasn't hurting, just trying to stay in my "zones". Does this sound right? I just have no clue.....



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tnguyen1 - 2010-04-20 3:45 PM

Question about HR training.....I am new to HR training, and this is my first time to train by zones. Last season and my half marathon plan I went off of RPE. I have a very hard time keeping in Z2 (steady state) on the run. I am NOT fast by any means but Z2 is a walk for me.....my current zones are:

Zone 1 (WU) 121-137
Zone 2 (Steady State) 138-160
Zone 3 (Tempo) 161-171
Zone 4 (Interval) 172-178

I understand that other variables and factors can contribute to HR like nutrition, stress, weather, ect......but I had to walk to bring my HR back down from the high 170's. I didn't feel out of breath and I wasn't hurting, just trying to stay in my "zones". Does this sound right? I just have no clue.....


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I am the same way!  Jogging as slow as I can to keep HR down and it is still in the high 150s. Normal/comfortable running times for me and my HR will jump into the high 160s. I too would like to know what is up. 

For some reason I think the answer will be  - RUN MORE!


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So... I went on vacation all last week to D.C./Baltimore. Weighed myself yesterday and today and though I only gained 1 pound, my body fat went up 10%!!!! I thought maybe it was due to dehydration causing my scale to act up but when I weighed myself today it was still 10%. OK - I confess I did consume enough crab cakes and beer for a small army - but 10%!!! Anybody else experience this before and how long did it take to get back to your pre-vacation body fat %? 

Oh, and if you could tell me that my scale is broken that would be greatSmile! Robin
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robingray_260 - 2010-04-20 11:50 AM
tnguyen1 - 2010-04-20 3:45 PM

Question about HR training.....I am new to HR training, and this is my first time to train by zones. Last season and my half marathon plan I went off of RPE. I have a very hard time keeping in Z2 (steady state) on the run. I am NOT fast by any means but Z2 is a walk for me.....my current zones are:

Zone 1 (WU) 121-137
Zone 2 (Steady State) 138-160
Zone 3 (Tempo) 161-171
Zone 4 (Interval) 172-178

I understand that other variables and factors can contribute to HR like nutrition, stress, weather, ect......but I had to walk to bring my HR back down from the high 170's. I didn't feel out of breath and I wasn't hurting, just trying to stay in my "zones". Does this sound right? I just have no clue.....


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I am the same way!  Jogging as slow as I can to keep HR down and it is still in the high 150s. Normal/comfortable running times for me and my HR will jump into the high 160s. I too would like to know what is up. 

For some reason I think the answer will be  - RUN MORE!




I just started HR training this year.  At first, I had trouble keeping my HR below 165 on easy runs (had to really slow down)...but as I began to run more (I took 3 weeks off after my december marathon) again, my HR started to drop.  Also, I focused on breathing slowly.  Nice slow inhales, and easy controled exhales...this brough my HR down too...I think.  So part of it was improving my running fitness, and part of it was controlling my breathing.  Since January, my avg HR for the same exact 5 mile treadmill run I do has dropped from about 155 to 139.

So for now, I would focus more on RPE.  If you aren't huring, or out of breath, don't worry too much about your HR.  Just log it in your workouts and I'm sure you'll notice it will eventually drop even though your RPE remains the same. 
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robingray_260 - 2010-04-20 11:56 AM So... I went on vacation all last week to D.C./Baltimore. Weighed myself yesterday and today and though I only gained 1 pound, my body fat went up 10%!!!! I thought maybe it was due to dehydration causing my scale to act up but when I weighed myself today it was still 10%. OK - I confess I did consume enough crab cakes and beer for a small army - but 10%!!! Anybody else experience this before and how long did it take to get back to your pre-vacation body fat %? 

Oh, and if you could tell me that my scale is broken that would be greatSmile! Robin


Body fat scales are totally inconsistant.  Especially for people like me who are short and stocky.  I normally weigh about 162 now.  I think last week it gave me my body fat as 20.5% and a yesterday it was like 17.8% at the same weight.  And my scale supposedly accounts for dehydration as it also gives you a hydration percentage.  Either way...the scale is off.  Last time I got caliper tested, I was closer to 14%.
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