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tnguyen1 - 2010-04-20 2:45 PM

Question about HR training.....I am new to HR training, and this is my first time to train by zones. Last season and my half marathon plan I went off of RPE. I have a very hard time keeping in Z2 (steady state) on the run. I am NOT fast by any means but Z2 is a walk for me.....my current zones are:

Zone 1 (WU) 121-137
Zone 2 (Steady State) 138-160
Zone 3 (Tempo) 161-171
Zone 4 (Interval) 172-178

I understand that other variables and factors can contribute to HR like nutrition, stress, weather, ect......but I had to walk to bring my HR back down from the high 170's. I didn't feel out of breath and I wasn't hurting, just trying to stay in my "zones". Does this sound right? I just have no clue.....

newbz - 2010-04-20 5:55 PM How did you determine those zones? did you do a test or just use the 220-minus your age?

tri808 - 2010-04-20 3:11 PM



Body fat scales are totally inconsistant. Especially for people like me who are short and stocky. I normally weigh about 162 now. I think last week it gave me my body fat as 20.5% and a yesterday it was like 17.8% at the same weight. And my scale supposedly accounts for dehydration as it also gives you a hydration percentage. Either way...the scale is off. Last time I got caliper tested, I was closer to 14%.

tnguyen1 - 2010-04-21 5:45 AM

Question about HR training.....I am new to HR training, and this is my first time to train by zones. Last season and my half marathon plan I went off of RPE. I have a very hard time keeping in Z2 (steady state) on the run. I am NOT fast by any means but Z2 is a walk for me.....my current zones are:

Zone 1 (WU) 121-137
Zone 2 (Steady State) 138-160
Zone 3 (Tempo) 161-171
Zone 4 (Interval) 172-178

I understand that other variables and factors can contribute to HR like nutrition, stress, weather, ect......but I had to walk to bring my HR back down from the high 170's. I didn't feel out of breath and I wasn't hurting, just trying to stay in my "zones". Does this sound right? I just have no clue.....

newbz - 2010-04-20 6:58 PM same, i got on one last year right after a lab test (which did both hydro and dexa scan), the BF scale said i was at 17%........... Both lab tests were 6-7%

jpbis26 - 2010-04-20 4:35 PM Ok, swim question.

What do people mean when they tell you not to "fight the water"? I'm having a hard time figuring out what the difference is between push myself to go faster & fighting the water.

When I try and go faster, I'm not gliding as much (don't know if this makes sense-I don't know any swim terms). My form doesn't seem as good. Any suggestions?

Also, when I try and go fast, my times are between 2:03 -2:08 for 100M. What is a good goal to have for myself in a few months time if I swim 3xs a week doing 1000-1500M at a time?

newbz - 2010-04-20 4:49 PM this is why many swim coaches advocate shorter sets on little rest vs straight swimming. You get just enough of a break to keep form together, and then go again. in simple terms, not fighting the water means relax, and let your form/smooth pull do the work, vs just flailing around, and wasting energy on useless movement. what does a normal swim workout for you look like right now? and times for the distances in that?

carlwithac - 2010-04-20 5:23 PM http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... />
That's my race report for Nats this past weekend.

As for my dehydration, I'm not really sure how it happened.  I guess I since we were all in cars for two days prior to the race, I wasn't drinking enough to being with.  I bought a 64oz Gatorade to drink for a few days but that wasn't enough.  I felt fine during and after the race also.  I was drinking before, and I pounded 20oz of Gatorade directly after the finish.

When we were driving home on Sunday(supposed to be a 14 hour drive) I was feeling nauseous and I thought that I just needed food.  W eventually stopped at Panera and took it on the road.  I had a few bites but then couldn't hold my stomach together anymore.  Long story short, I made messes all over myself and our van for the next several hours.  I couldn't keep anything down.  A teammate was doing the same thing also.  Our vans took us to emergency rooms and they gave us IV fluids and sent us on our ways a few hours later.  We both went to separate hospitals in Illinois after driving from Tulsa.  My van picked up my prescription and eventually made it home to Ann Arbor at 3AM on Monday after leaving the hospital at 7PM on Sunday.

I hydrated for the rest of the ride and throughout Monday.  I started eating solid foods on Monday and ate a ton today.  I feel perfectly fine now except for some general body soreness.  I did a little core work and continued hydrating.  Tomorrow I plan to go on a nice 40 mile ride.

tri808 - 2010-04-20 8:06 PM



I took your advice earlier about trying 10x100's...omg, I was about to die after that...but it felt oh so good to finish. I had to take 40 second breaks though. I'll try to trim that down...but is 40 seconds way too long? Should I go slower on the swim and take shorter...say 15-20 second rest intervals?

newbz - 2010-04-20 6:02 PM how fast are you swimming? and part of this has to do with workout goals I can swim 10x100 on 5-10 sec rest and go one speed, or do it on 1 min rest and go much faster, both are good workouts, but get very diff things done.

newbz - 2010-04-20 11:13 PM in that short of a race, dont both with a gel on the run. maybe a bit of sports drink at the aid stations but its going to take 20-30 min to even start to do anything. sounds like you do need to be drinking more consistently through the day. also maybe look to another sports drink. I know G-ade messes with a lot of peoples stomachs (its the only one i cannot do well). I switched to HEED for that reason. if you can stand the taste its close to as simple as sports drinks get.

carlwithac - 2010-04-20 10:05 PM


The thing is that I don't use any type of sports drink when I run. So far my runs have only been long enough to rarely warrant water.

newbz - 2010-04-21 12:11 AM what did you take in on the bike?

newbz - 2010-04-20 8:49 PM this is why many swim coaches advocate shorter sets on little rest vs straight swimming. You get just enough of a break to keep form together, and then go again. in simple terms, not fighting the water means relax, and let your form/smooth pull do the work, vs just flailing around, and wasting energy on useless movement. what does a normal swim workout for you look like right now? and times for the distances in that?

newbz - 2010-04-21 12:40 AM could have been just how hard you were racing, could very well have been the water you got during the swim (i spent an entire HIM before i dropped out on the run puking up water from a swim). could also be your normal diet. high fiber/fruit? that will mess up running often.

carlwithac - 2010-04-20 10:47 PM


About a week ago I started doing some research and tried skipping dairy for a few days but I'm not sure that was the problem. I do eat a lot of fresh fruit, but I wasn't aware that it causes problems. I don't seem to be eating large amounts of fiber.

newbz - 2010-04-21 12:51 AM myself, and a lot of others, have issues running after some fruit. i tend to just rearange when i eat certain things. one way to narrow this down, and see if it is food related or not, is try going for some runs on an empty stomach, or just have something simple (maybe a gu), and see what happens.