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2016-10-04 12:26 PM
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I do agree that the criticism against Trump for not paying any taxes is unfair.  Assuming that the deductions are legal, then it is ridiculous to say that he could have chosen not to use the tax laws in place and pay more taxes out of the goodness of his heart.

BUT if he has not been paying taxes for the past 20 years, it is fair game to point out Trump's hypocrisy for his criticism of others who don't pay income taxes (the poor and the wealthy).

Although the deductions may be legal, it doesn't paint a decent picture of the man and wouldn't sit well with me as a middle class voter - he's making millions but not contributing his share to society.

He could use this as an opportunity and promise to close the loopholes that allow the rich to not pay taxes, but I would assume the Republican base would not be too happy with a candidate pledging to increase taxes.



2016-10-04 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Scott71

I do agree that the criticism against Trump for not paying any taxes is unfair.  Assuming that the deductions are legal, then it is ridiculous to say that he could have chosen not to use the tax laws in place and pay more taxes out of the goodness of his heart.

BUT if he has not been paying taxes for the past 20 years, it is fair game to point out Trump's hypocrisy for his criticism of others who don't pay income taxes (the poor and the wealthy).

Although the deductions may be legal, it doesn't paint a decent picture of the man and wouldn't sit well with me as a middle class voter - he's making millions but not contributing his share to society.

He could use this as an opportunity and promise to close the loopholes that allow the rich to not pay taxes, but I would assume the Republican base would not be too happy with a candidate pledging to increase taxes.




Ever heard of Frank Abagnale? He was a crook and stole $2.5 million before he was 21 years old. He wrote the book called "Catch Me if You Can" that was later made into a movie with Leonardo Dicaprio.

I saw him speak when I was in college and read his book about 4 times. 20 year later I was boarding a plane in Orlando and see him sitting in first class. There was something wrong with the plan and we had to get off the plane. In the airport I introduced myself as a fan of his and we talked at length. He gave me a cassette tape from his security consulting firm. He made a career out of knowing where the brokes were in the systems. As a crook he took advantage of the flaws and holes in the system and exploited all the vulnerabilities. But as FBI agent and later consultant he made his fortune telling banks how to stop people like he used to be.

My hope is Trump is going to be the man to reform the tax code in this country. He knows the holes and he know what hurts and helps business. His focus is going to be on growing the economy. Part and parcel to this fixing our tax laws.
2016-10-04 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by tuwood

How does the world treat Obama and Hillary?  They laugh at them and ignore them when they try to play tough.  They are weak and everybody knows it.

Trump IS respected because they know they cannot push him over.  There have been many leaders throughout the worlds history who were not very nice people, but they dam sure were respected.  Respect is not gained by being the biggest wuss.

Is this serious? Trump isn't respected by anyone. He's not even respected by his own aides.
Putin would LOVE a Trump presidency because he knows Trump can be manipulated like a puppet on a string.

You comment on gaining respect is very telling; I actually think this is what a lot of the right-wing believe.
It's unfortunate that they don't understand the complexities of international affairs, nor can they comprehend the consequences of stubborn aggression.

The US is clearly still a world power, but other economies are gaining, and the balance of power is shifting. This has nothing to do with US apathy, it's just the nature of a global economy. Trump could potentially damage international relations for decades. Something even Cheney tried but was unable to accomplish.

Also, your comments about "radical Islam sweeping across Europe and coming to the US"...please, follow these steps:
1. Pick up the TV remote
2. Turn off Fox News
3. Emerge from your panic room/bunker
4. Go outside and throw a frisbee or something. The world isn't as scary as you think (and constantly read right-wing articles to reinforce) it is.

PREDICTION: At exactly 11pm EST on Tuesday, November 8th, 2016, Hillary Clinton will be declared the winner of the election.
I really hope Trump just wings his concession speech and cranks the crazy-knob to 11.

2016-10-04 1:35 PM
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Originally posted by spudone

Trump also has a history of not paying people he owes.  Let's see how well that works out when the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.

BS, this is yet another ridiculous claim against him and you know it.

Out of hundreds of businesses that have had tens of thousands of contractors the Clinton campaign tries to parade out poor victim suppliers who didn't get paid and quite often they didn't get paid because they did crap work or didn't provide the service they agreed to.

It's like saying he's a failed businessman because he filed bankruptcy 4 times while conveniently omitting the fact that he had over 200 companies that wildly succeeded. 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

And that's just the top hit on Google.  If you don't like that news source I can find plenty of others.  Or if you don't like news sources, you can dig up court records.

Those are HIGH numbers of lawsuits, liens, and unpaid contractors.  It's not a "ridiculous claim".  They're on the public record.

2016-10-04 1:42 PM
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Originally posted by Brit Abroad

Originally posted by tuwood

How does the world treat Obama and Hillary?  They laugh at them and ignore them when they try to play tough.  They are weak and everybody knows it.

Trump IS respected because they know they cannot push him over.  There have been many leaders throughout the worlds history who were not very nice people, but they dam sure were respected.  Respect is not gained by being the biggest wuss.

Is this serious? Trump isn't respected by anyone. He's not even respected by his own aides.
Putin would LOVE a Trump presidency because he knows Trump can be manipulated like a puppet on a string.

You comment on gaining respect is very telling; I actually think this is what a lot of the right-wing believe.
It's unfortunate that they don't understand the complexities of international affairs, nor can they comprehend the consequences of stubborn aggression.

The US is clearly still a world power, but other economies are gaining, and the balance of power is shifting. This has nothing to do with US apathy, it's just the nature of a global economy. Trump could potentially damage international relations for decades. Something even Cheney tried but was unable to accomplish.

Also, your comments about "radical Islam sweeping across Europe and coming to the US"...please, follow these steps:
1. Pick up the TV remote
2. Turn off Fox News
3. Emerge from your panic room/bunker
4. Go outside and throw a frisbee or something. The world isn't as scary as you think (and constantly read right-wing articles to reinforce) it is.

PREDICTION: At exactly 11pm EST on Tuesday, November 8th, 2016, Hillary Clinton will be declared the winner of the election.
I really hope Trump just wings his concession speech and cranks the crazy-knob to 11.




^ This. This x1000!

Especially the point about Trump being easy to manipulate. Ali-Foreman, Balboa-Lang...now Hillary-Donald.

I wonder if Vegas is taking bets on where Trump will go in the next debate...what are the odds he uses the name Lewinsky in a vain attempt to rattle Hillary? I'd say the odds are a little less than even in Debate #2...but almost a certainty in Debate #3 (that is if Donald decides to show up).

2016-10-04 2:44 PM
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Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by Brit Abroad

Originally posted by tuwood

How does the world treat Obama and Hillary?  They laugh at them and ignore them when they try to play tough.  They are weak and everybody knows it.

Trump IS respected because they know they cannot push him over.  There have been many leaders throughout the worlds history who were not very nice people, but they dam sure were respected.  Respect is not gained by being the biggest wuss.

Is this serious? Trump isn't respected by anyone. He's not even respected by his own aides.
Putin would LOVE a Trump presidency because he knows Trump can be manipulated like a puppet on a string.

You comment on gaining respect is very telling; I actually think this is what a lot of the right-wing believe.
It's unfortunate that they don't understand the complexities of international affairs, nor can they comprehend the consequences of stubborn aggression.

The US is clearly still a world power, but other economies are gaining, and the balance of power is shifting. This has nothing to do with US apathy, it's just the nature of a global economy. Trump could potentially damage international relations for decades. Something even Cheney tried but was unable to accomplish.

Also, your comments about "radical Islam sweeping across Europe and coming to the US"...please, follow these steps:
1. Pick up the TV remote
2. Turn off Fox News
3. Emerge from your panic room/bunker
4. Go outside and throw a frisbee or something. The world isn't as scary as you think (and constantly read right-wing articles to reinforce) it is.

PREDICTION: At exactly 11pm EST on Tuesday, November 8th, 2016, Hillary Clinton will be declared the winner of the election.
I really hope Trump just wings his concession speech and cranks the crazy-knob to 11.




^ This. This x1000!

Especially the point about Trump being easy to manipulate. Ali-Foreman, Balboa-Lang...now Hillary-Donald.

I wonder if Vegas is taking bets on where Trump will go in the next debate...what are the odds he uses the name Lewinsky in a vain attempt to rattle Hillary? I'd say the odds are a little less than even in Debate #2...but almost a certainty in Debate #3 (that is if Donald decides to show up).





One of the things I am banking on in Trump is his executive experience. My 30 years experience in the corporate world has taught me one constant, executives constantly ask for data to make decisions. Cost, schedule, budgets, risk assessments, trends, trajectories, market research, historical data, etc. Goes on and on. Having sufficient and accurate data will make or break a company. The most successful executives tend to be the ones who look at mounds of data and make course corrections. So my hope is Trump is collecting data and will decide if he needs to make a radical change for the next debate and exactly what needs to change.

The left seems to think he 'cannot control himself' but I don’t believe that is the case. The nice thing about the debate is you really do not have to answer any of the questions!

"Mr Trump, can you tell us why you have not released your taxes."

"I already emailed them to Hillary.....just kidding. We've been over this many time. I think the American people are more interested in the differences in mine and Hillary's tax plans....." And then spend the next 2 minutes talking about his and hers tax plans at a very detailed level.


2016-10-04 6:31 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio ...One of the things I am banking on in Trump is his executive experience. My 30 years experience in the corporate world has taught me one constant, executives constantly ask for data to make decisions. Cost, schedule, budgets, risk assessments, trends, trajectories, market research, historical data, etc. Goes on and on. ....

You may not have noticed, but Trump is not that kind of guy.  He's more the kind of leader that thinks he knows everything already.  He doesn't ask for advice or data, he asks for loyalty and surrounds himself with 'yes' men.  

 

As for his taxes.  Yeah- I don't mind that he used the tax law to his advantage.  But if he's going to justify it by saying he knows the tax laws better than anyone, then why hasn't he said what, specifically, he's going to change in the law, that will no longer benefit real estate moguls such as himself?  He hasn't offered any issue or problem with the very favorable laws that govern how to write off real-estate investments.  i.e. that you can buy/build an real estate asset, then write off the depreciation of that asset while it's actually appreciating in value. Theoretically, when you go to sell it, you would have to pay the capital gains (at the low low cap gains rate 15%), but you can also transfer that gain into another asset - and then begin the depreciation fun all over again.  It's tax law that written very favorable for large scale real-estate investors.  So Trump?  do you have an actual opinion on the subject?  I haven't heard one.  Are you professing to take away this benefit?  if not, then what?  

Is Trump really a tax expert? or does he just hire some good ones?

2016-10-04 7:49 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by Brit Abroad

Originally posted by tuwood

How does the world treat Obama and Hillary?  They laugh at them and ignore them when they try to play tough.  They are weak and everybody knows it.

Trump IS respected because they know they cannot push him over.  There have been many leaders throughout the worlds history who were not very nice people, but they dam sure were respected.  Respect is not gained by being the biggest wuss.

Is this serious? Trump isn't respected by anyone. He's not even respected by his own aides.
Putin would LOVE a Trump presidency because he knows Trump can be manipulated like a puppet on a string.

You comment on gaining respect is very telling; I actually think this is what a lot of the right-wing believe.
It's unfortunate that they don't understand the complexities of international affairs, nor can they comprehend the consequences of stubborn aggression.

The US is clearly still a world power, but other economies are gaining, and the balance of power is shifting. This has nothing to do with US apathy, it's just the nature of a global economy. Trump could potentially damage international relations for decades. Something even Cheney tried but was unable to accomplish.

Also, your comments about "radical Islam sweeping across Europe and coming to the US"...please, follow these steps:
1. Pick up the TV remote
2. Turn off Fox News
3. Emerge from your panic room/bunker
4. Go outside and throw a frisbee or something. The world isn't as scary as you think (and constantly read right-wing articles to reinforce) it is.

PREDICTION: At exactly 11pm EST on Tuesday, November 8th, 2016, Hillary Clinton will be declared the winner of the election.
I really hope Trump just wings his concession speech and cranks the crazy-knob to 11.




^ This. This x1000!

Especially the point about Trump being easy to manipulate. Ali-Foreman, Balboa-Lang...now Hillary-Donald.

I wonder if Vegas is taking bets on where Trump will go in the next debate...what are the odds he uses the name Lewinsky in a vain attempt to rattle Hillary? I'd say the odds are a little less than even in Debate #2...but almost a certainty in Debate #3 (that is if Donald decides to show up).





The left seems to think he 'cannot control himself' but I don’t believe that is the case.



Please don't limit this opinion to "the left." There are MANY red-blooded Republicans and conservative Republicans that know and say the same thing.
2016-10-04 9:05 PM
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I wonder who is winning tonight!

:-)
2016-10-04 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio

I wonder who is winning tonight!

:-)


Pence definitely came out stronger than Kaine.
Pence's delivery/pace was better overall.
Kaine's interrupting Pence early didn't help kaine.
Kaine's best ally was Trump quotes. When Pence was challenged with defending his running mate, he just smiled, shook his head, said, "That's not true,"...and changed the topic.
At one point he laughed off Trump's cockamamey quotes by saying, "He's just not a seasoned politician."
For all the points Pence was scoring early, he just couldn't defend Trump's incoherent and reckless statements.
Sooo, by not defending the arguments, just brushing them aside and ignoring them, I'd give Pence the slight edge in this one.

btw, who'd have guessed that Pence was shorter than Kaine? I imagine that's part of the reason this was a sit-down debate.

Let's get to Hillary vs. Donald Part Two!
2016-10-05 8:23 AM
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Originally posted by Scott71

I do agree that the criticism against Trump for not paying any taxes is unfair.  Assuming that the deductions are legal, then it is ridiculous to say that he could have chosen not to use the tax laws in place and pay more taxes out of the goodness of his heart.

BUT if he has not been paying taxes for the past 20 years, it is fair game to point out Trump's hypocrisy for his criticism of others who don't pay income taxes (the poor and the wealthy).

Although the deductions may be legal, it doesn't paint a decent picture of the man and wouldn't sit well with me as a middle class voter - he's making millions but not contributing his share to society.

He could use this as an opportunity and promise to close the loopholes that allow the rich to not pay taxes, but I would assume the Republican base would not be too happy with a candidate pledging to increase taxes.

So what's the alternative?  Yes, He's entitled to legally not pay taxes because of the laws but in order to paint a more decent picture of himself he should pay the taxes He does not owe?  Ironically, there's not even a legal way to pay more taxes then you owe.

Congress is supposed to look at the pro's and cons of any tax laws and make a determination of how much to tax and when to allow deductions.  The congress decided long ago that if a business had an operating loss that they could carry that loss ahead against future gains.  It makes perfect sense because we get to do the same things with our stock accounts.   If you have $100k in a stock account and it loses $50k this year but you only had taxable income of say $25k, you could write off all your income this year and carry the $25k over until next year.  It's just the way the tax code works.



2016-10-05 8:25 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio

I wonder who is winning tonight!

:-)


Pence definitely came out stronger than Kaine.
Pence's delivery/pace was better overall.
Kaine's interrupting Pence early didn't help kaine.
Kaine's best ally was Trump quotes. When Pence was challenged with defending his running mate, he just smiled, shook his head, said, "That's not true,"...and changed the topic.
At one point he laughed off Trump's cockamamey quotes by saying, "He's just not a seasoned politician."
For all the points Pence was scoring early, he just couldn't defend Trump's incoherent and reckless statements.
Sooo, by not defending the arguments, just brushing them aside and ignoring them, I'd give Pence the slight edge in this one.

btw, who'd have guessed that Pence was shorter than Kaine? I imagine that's part of the reason this was a sit-down debate.

Let's get to Hillary vs. Donald Part Two!



Pence came across as comfortable, relaxed, confident and likable. Kaine came across as your crazy Uncle Tim. When he was talking he was either totally scripted or he was rude and interrupting. He had the same old attacks that have been addressed over and over and over and Pence was right to just grin and ignore them.

Frankly, with Hillary being a dead woman walking, I was more interested in who would be POTUS if HRC checked out early. I was shocked that she would choose someone like Crazy Tim to succeed her.

I hope Trump learns from Pence reaction to the same old attacks and ignores them and drive the debate to be about substance. We all know about Trumps taxes and Hillary's emails. We all know about the Clinton Foundation and the Trump Foundation. We all know about basement dwellers, deplorables and fat pigs. What I want to know is how they plan to get the economy going again.

Speaking of.....Tim was trying to make the case that the economy is doing fine. Tell that to hundreds of thousands of government employees who have not gotten a raise in over 5 years!!

2016-10-05 8:29 AM
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Originally posted by Brit Abroad

Originally posted by tuwood

How does the world treat Obama and Hillary?  They laugh at them and ignore them when they try to play tough.  They are weak and everybody knows it.

Trump IS respected because they know they cannot push him over.  There have been many leaders throughout the worlds history who were not very nice people, but they dam sure were respected.  Respect is not gained by being the biggest wuss.

Is this serious? Trump isn't respected by anyone. He's not even respected by his own aides.
Putin would LOVE a Trump presidency because he knows Trump can be manipulated like a puppet on a string.

You comment on gaining respect is very telling; I actually think this is what a lot of the right-wing believe.
It's unfortunate that they don't understand the complexities of international affairs, nor can they comprehend the consequences of stubborn aggression.

The US is clearly still a world power, but other economies are gaining, and the balance of power is shifting. This has nothing to do with US apathy, it's just the nature of a global economy. Trump could potentially damage international relations for decades. Something even Cheney tried but was unable to accomplish.

Also, your comments about "radical Islam sweeping across Europe and coming to the US"...please, follow these steps:
1. Pick up the TV remote
2. Turn off Fox News
3. Emerge from your panic room/bunker
4. Go outside and throw a frisbee or something. The world isn't as scary as you think (and constantly read right-wing articles to reinforce) it is.

PREDICTION: At exactly 11pm EST on Tuesday, November 8th, 2016, Hillary Clinton will be declared the winner of the election.
I really hope Trump just wings his concession speech and cranks the crazy-knob to 11.

I predict you're going to be really freaked out on November 9th.   

In all seriousness Trump is respected by many people and most especially world leaders.  Clinton and Obama are not respected because they are weak and do nothing but down down and apologize.  The middle east is a mess because of US intervention overall, but it's a far bigger mess because of the weakness of Obama and Clinton.  Russia is growing in strength because they know the US will do nothing.  Iran is taking Obama's lunch money (in cash please) and it's friggen embarrassing as a nation. 

You're certainly entitled to believe that Obama and Clinton are strong, but that doesn't make you right.   

2016-10-05 8:32 AM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by spudone

Trump also has a history of not paying people he owes.  Let's see how well that works out when the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.

BS, this is yet another ridiculous claim against him and you know it.

Out of hundreds of businesses that have had tens of thousands of contractors the Clinton campaign tries to parade out poor victim suppliers who didn't get paid and quite often they didn't get paid because they did crap work or didn't provide the service they agreed to.

It's like saying he's a failed businessman because he filed bankruptcy 4 times while conveniently omitting the fact that he had over 200 companies that wildly succeeded. 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

And that's just the top hit on Google.  If you don't like that news source I can find plenty of others.  Or if you don't like news sources, you can dig up court records.

Those are HIGH numbers of lawsuits, liens, and unpaid contractors.  It's not a "ridiculous claim".  They're on the public record.

How do you judge those numbers as HIGH?  For a single building he likely has 100+ sub contractors and has obviously built many many buildings.  You portray it as though most of his contractors don't get paid, which is a joke.  You'll notice that the obviously biased article doesn't mention what projects the lawsuits were tied to?  Were all 100 of them from one project that went bankrupt?  I don't know the answer, but it's laughable to try and make an argument that he doesn't pay his bills and shows just how desperate the Clinton campaign is getting.

Next thing you know they're going to accuse him of legally taking tax deductions that he was entitled to.  Oh wait...

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Originally posted by Rogillio I wonder who is winning tonight! :-)
Pence definitely came out stronger than Kaine. Pence's delivery/pace was better overall. Kaine's interrupting Pence early didn't help kaine. Kaine's best ally was Trump quotes. When Pence was challenged with defending his running mate, he just smiled, shook his head, said, "That's not true,"...and changed the topic. At one point he laughed off Trump's cockamamey quotes by saying, "He's just not a seasoned politician." For all the points Pence was scoring early, he just couldn't defend Trump's incoherent and reckless statements. Sooo, by not defending the arguments, just brushing them aside and ignoring them, I'd give Pence the slight edge in this one. btw, who'd have guessed that Pence was shorter than Kaine? I imagine that's part of the reason this was a sit-down debate. Let's get to Hillary vs. Donald Part Two!

I was driving home and listening to the debate on the radio and holy smokes was it hard to understand.  I genuinely haven't listened to either of them speak so I was curious how they would do and Kaine came across as extremely rude and arrogant.  It made it really hard to listen to on the radio because I had no visual cues to help my brain make out what either one was saying.

 

 

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Originally posted by Rogillio I wonder who is winning tonight! :-)
Pence definitely came out stronger than Kaine. Pence's delivery/pace was better overall. Kaine's interrupting Pence early didn't help kaine. Kaine's best ally was Trump quotes. When Pence was challenged with defending his running mate, he just smiled, shook his head, said, "That's not true,"...and changed the topic. At one point he laughed off Trump's cockamamey quotes by saying, "He's just not a seasoned politician." For all the points Pence was scoring early, he just couldn't defend Trump's incoherent and reckless statements. Sooo, by not defending the arguments, just brushing them aside and ignoring them, I'd give Pence the slight edge in this one. btw, who'd have guessed that Pence was shorter than Kaine? I imagine that's part of the reason this was a sit-down debate. Let's get to Hillary vs. Donald Part Two!
Pence came across as comfortable, relaxed, confident and likable. Kaine came across as your crazy Uncle Tim. When he was talking he was either totally scripted or he was rude and interrupting. He had the same old attacks that have been addressed over and over and over and Pence was right to just grin and ignore them. Frankly, with Hillary being a dead woman walking, I was more interested in who would be POTUS if HRC checked out early. I was shocked that she would choose someone like Crazy Tim to succeed her. I hope Trump learns from Pence reaction to the same old attacks and ignores them and drive the debate to be about substance. We all know about Trumps taxes and Hillary's emails. We all know about the Clinton Foundation and the Trump Foundation. We all know about basement dwellers, deplorables and fat pigs. What I want to know is how they plan to get the economy going again. Speaking of.....Tim was trying to make the case that the economy is doing fine. Tell that to hundreds of thousands of government employees who have not gotten a raise in over 5 years!!

He definitely had his Howard Dean moment. 

Drudge had a hilarious picture of him:



2016-10-05 9:00 AM
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My take is that they both did their job.

Kaine kept Trump front and center and Pence eased the minds of evangelicals a bit and kept calm. But his refusal to answer or counter many of Kaine's attacks and just say "Tump did not say that" when audio or video can prove him wrong, will give the fact checkers and the talking heads some material in the next day or two. Long run this debate, like most VP debates, won't matter.

Oh, and to say that we "know all about" the Trump Foundation is wrong. On top of the issues that we already knew about, NY just suspended it from raising further funds because it wasn't registered correctly with the state and will require an audit for all the years that the foundation was not in compliance. Who knows what that may reveal.
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Clinton camp put out a video of trump quotes beside kaine's accusations and pence's denial

 

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/videos/1270833806306479/

 

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Clinton camp put out a video of trump quotes beside kaine's accusations and pence's denial

 

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/videos/1270833806306479/

 

The problem with the "quotes game" is that Kaine discredited himself by taking most of them "just a little bit further" then what was said.  For example the "all Mexicans are rapists and murderers" line is an out of context smear that's been used for months and completely untrue. 

Even in this video they don't do a very good job of defending the exaggerations on several. 

First accusation "Donald Trump and Mike Pence has said he (Putin) is a great leader".  Then play quotes of Trump and Pence saying Putin has been a strong leader for his country.  There's no denying Putin has been a strong leader for his country, but that's a far cry from saying he's a great leader.

"Donald Trump said he is going to have a deportation force and they want to go house to house, school to school, business to business..." then show a short clip of him saying we'll have a deportation force.  (btw, we already have a deportation force it's called ICE and the Border Patrol).

You get the idea.

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Originally posted by dmiller5

Clinton camp put out a video of trump quotes beside kaine's accusations and pence's denial

 

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/videos/1270833806306479/

 

I don't think there is a person on the planet who doesn't know Trump said all of those things.  I also don't think it makes one bit of difference at this point.  The only thing that matters is how many Trump voters are actually out there........I don't think anyone knows the answer to that...but I bet it's more then we think.  This election will be all about turnout.......the rest obviously doesn't matter.



Edited by Left Brain 2016-10-05 9:42 AM
2016-10-05 9:44 AM
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Looks like Hillary's back on vacation (er sick) for the next month.

https://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/

 



2016-10-05 10:33 AM
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Ironically, there's not even a legal way to pay more taxes then you owe.

2 things I know of (not official, maybe):

1) overlook some of your allowed deductions.  Hint: they probably won't audit you

2) you can directly give money to the U.S. Treasury for purposes of paying down the national debt.

 

#2 is technically considered a gift, not taxes though.

2016-10-05 10:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Election 2016
Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by dmiller5

Clinton camp put out a video of trump quotes beside kaine's accusations and pence's denial

 

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/videos/1270833806306479/

 

I don't think there is a person on the planet who doesn't know Trump said all of those things.  I also don't think it makes one bit of difference at this point.  The only thing that matters is how many Trump voters are actually out there........I don't think anyone knows the answer to that...but I bet it's more then we think.  This election will be all about turnout.......the rest obviously doesn't matter.




Much of what he said is taken out of context. Hillary has a commercial that has audio of Trump saying "She is a fat pig" against a backdrop of a young girl. Totally and intentionally misleading.

More recently the news was all about Trump calling PTSD suffers weak.

What he said:

"When you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat, and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over – and you're strong and you can handle it – but a lot of people can't handle it,” Trump said Monday.



Soon after, BuzzFeed ran a headline that said:

“Trump Suggests That Soldiers With PTSD Aren’t ‘Strong.’”



If people can't see this was taken out of context and twisted they are willfully ignorant. He did not say they were not strong, he said the can't handle it. That is, by definition, 100 correct.


The Marine staff sergeant who originally asked Trump the question about PTSD:

“I think it’s sickening that anyone would twist Mr. Trump’s comments to me in order to pursue a political agenda,” Chad Robichaux, founder of Mighty Oaks Warrior Programs in California, said in the statement. “I took his comments to be thoughtful and understanding of the struggles many veterans have, and I believe he is committed to helping them.”
2016-10-05 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by spudone

Ironically, there's not even a legal way to pay more taxes then you owe.

2 things I know of (not official, maybe):

1) overlook some of your allowed deductions.  Hint: they probably won't audit you

2) you can directly give money to the U.S. Treasury for purposes of paying down the national debt.

 

#2 is technically considered a gift, not taxes though.

I guess you're technically correct on #1, but purely from a political standpoint you know a politician would get attacked on that as well.  Look, he's so dumb he doesn't even take his legal deductions.   

Didn't #2 get recently enacted by Buffett's suggestion?  Now that you mention it I seem to recall that.

2016-10-05 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by spudone

Ironically, there's not even a legal way to pay more taxes then you owe.

2 things I know of (not official, maybe):

1) overlook some of your allowed deductions.  Hint: they probably won't audit you

2) you can directly give money to the U.S. Treasury for purposes of paying down the national debt.

 

#2 is technically considered a gift, not taxes though.

I guess you're technically correct on #1, but purely from a political standpoint you know a politician would get attacked on that as well.  Look, he's so dumb he doesn't even take his legal deductions.   

Didn't #2 get recently enacted by Buffett's suggestion?  Now that you mention it I seem to recall that.

I don't remember if Buffett got it implemented, or if he was just suggesting people use it.  I remembered hearing about it when there was an article about this guy who was so tired of his family bickering over his fortune that he left it to the treasury when he died.  Kinda funny

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