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 2010-03-11 9:35 AM in reply to: #2720337 |
Extreme Veteran  542   Pauls Valley, OK |  Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed."I agree that for me (and I'm not passing judgement on anyone) if I "said" it was okay to walk, I would "allow" myself to walk more...and it's a slippery slope." - Jennifer |
| 2010-03-11 9:38 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Like others, I walk when I hydrate since I haven't figured out how to do it without making a total mess otherwise. And I agree that if I walk for more than just a quick drink, I have real trouble getting back to a good running pace. Os for me it's more that I'm not sure I could get back to a good pace if I walked much. But a very short walk break to hydrate (a few seconds really) doesn't seem to have much negative impact. I was just interested in this running theory since he claims he has even very fast runners doing it - like some sub 3 hour marathon runners. Seems hard to imagine. However, I have heard that most IM marathoners walk at least part of the race, some walk a lot. Edited by wbayek 2010-03-11 9:40 AM |
| 2010-03-11 12:47 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Expert 1246  West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. I agree with the aid station thing. I'm not a very good runner/drinker. I can do it early in a race, but once I'm fatigued, I need to slow to a walk or I end up gagging and only getting half the fluid down. But that's just a few paces. Is it Friday yet?!?!? |
| 2010-03-11 1:12 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Hey, I got rollers last night. I spent 5 terrifying minutes holding a chair tipping over anyway! Does anyone here use them successfully? I can't imagine I'll ever be able to ride these things. FWIW - They were cheap from Nashbar, so they probably aren't a very high end version. |
| 2010-03-11 3:29 PM in reply to: #2721064 |
Extreme Veteran 386 Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. ROLLERS! you are brave! as for walking - I think it's all in what your goal is - for us, we race. So, walking really isn't an option because we are after the best time we can achieve during that race. But for those who may have the goal of finishing, walking allows them to achieve their goal. I have a few friends who have done a ton of 1/2 marathons and their training is similar to the 5 on, 1 off method. For me, if I need to walk, I walk. I figure it will help me get back the wind I have lost (like Bob mentioned earlier). but, I limit the walking because I do find it takes more to get going again. So, maybe 10 seconds. I don't see anything wrong with walking - we are just out there for us - so no harm if you do.  but heaven for bid if I walk during the run (or even slow pedeal on the bike) in April! |
| 2010-03-11 8:35 PM in reply to: #2721064 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-03-11 2:12 PM Hey, I got rollers last night. I spent 5 terrifying minutes holding a chair tipping over anyway! Does anyone here use them successfully? I can't imagine I'll ever be able to ride these things. FWIW - They were cheap from Nashbar, so they probably aren't a very high end version. Takes quite a while to get used to it, but they will help with bike handling and you can get different workouts in than you might on a trainer. |
| 2010-03-12 12:16 PM in reply to: #2721064 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-03-10 11:12 PM Hey, I got rollers last night. I spent 5 terrifying minutes holding a chair tipping over anyway! Does anyone here use them successfully? I can't imagine I'll ever be able to ride these things. I have never tried them, but they look cool when people are riding them. Good luck! |
| 2010-03-12 2:48 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Veteran 286 Orange, CA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. too scared to try rollers...you're a brave man, Warren. Despite the southern CA weather, I was actually thinking about getting a trainer since I'm a late night exerciser. I'll watch your roller progress closely to see if it makes me change my mind. |
| 2010-03-12 3:24 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. So last night was day 2 on the roller watch. 5 more minutes, which is my daily plan until I get better. More than 5 minutes and I think my ego would never recover due to my incompetence. Should I log those 5 minutes? I bet my HR must reach about 300, and I'm sure it's the highest my blood pressure has ever been, including all my skydiving jumps! Aaron's advice to set up in a doorframe was key. My house isn't really set up to use a doorframe long term, but it worked great last night. I actually let go and pedaled a few times! After about 3 milliseconds I was swerving and needed the doorframe again, but I'm not giving up. Big lesson learned last night: stare straight ahead and don't look at the front tire. |
| 2010-03-12 11:07 PM in reply to: #2723575 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-03-12 4:24 PM So last night was day 2 on the roller watch. 5 more minutes, which is my daily plan until I get better. More than 5 minutes and I think my ego would never recover due to my incompetence. Should I log those 5 minutes? I bet my HR must reach about 300, and I'm sure it's the highest my blood pressure has ever been, including all my skydiving jumps! Aaron's advice to set up in a doorframe was key. My house isn't really set up to use a doorframe long term, but it worked great last night. I actually let go and pedaled a few times! After about 3 milliseconds I was swerving and needed the doorframe again, but I'm not giving up. Big lesson learned last night: stare straight ahead and don't look at the front tire.
Doorframe is temporary until you get the hang. Someone once suggested putting heavy dining room/kitchen chairs on either side with the seatbacks closest to the rollers. They will still move, so I would stick with the door frame. |
| 2010-03-14 11:51 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. I am just finishing up a 'rest' week, did not feel like it but hours were cut, more sleep than normal. I think I was in a funk this week. Out of it now, feeling good. |
| 2010-03-14 2:29 PM in reply to: #2725367 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. aarondavidson - 2010-03-13 9:51 PM I am just finishing up a 'rest' week, did not feel like it but hours were cut, more sleep than normal. I think I was in a funk this week. Out of it now, feeling good. Get out there and TEAR IT UP!! :-) Beautiful day outside here today, going for a long run in a couple hours. Have a great Sunday everyone! |
| 2010-03-14 5:28 PM in reply to: #2724176 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. aarondavidson - 2010-03-13 12:07 AM Doorframe is temporary until you get the hang. Someone once suggested putting heavy dining room/kitchen chairs on either side with the seatbacks closest to the rollers. They will still move, so I would stick with the door frame. How long should this take? Is everyone this clueless at first, or am I totally spastic on the bike? |
| 2010-03-14 9:07 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 386 Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Hi guys! I'm on vacation and lovin it! Only inet access is on my wifes blackberry so I may be quiwter than normal. But hope your weekend was fabulous. Hope the weather was nice and weveryonwe got outside! |
| 2010-03-14 10:20 PM in reply to: #2555906 |
Veteran 286 Orange, CA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. have a great vacation, Jeremy...where are you goin? |
| 2010-03-15 6:28 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 542 Pauls Valley, OK | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. Headed out on the road for a few days to sell some seedlings across western Oklahoma. Hope everyone had a great weekend, and wishing you a good upcoming week of training. |
| 2010-03-15 11:35 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Extreme Veteran 386 Rio Rancho - where you can ride year round! | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. We are at our lake house in southern new mexico.spring break week for the kids. I bring my bike for some great riding and can get some nice runs too. weather is crummy today so may just sit and do nothing. Maybe a walk with the kids later if its not raining. For now I surf wirth a blackberry! |
| 2010-03-15 11:47 AM in reply to: #2726887 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. barelfly - 2010-03-15 12:35 PM We are at our lake house in southern new mexico.spring break week for the kids. I bring my bike for some great riding and can get some nice runs too. weather is crummy today so may just sit and do nothing. Maybe a walk with the kids later if its not raining. For now I surf wirth a blackberry! Nice, enjoy your vacation. We're in a monsoon up here too, flooding everywhere. |
| 2010-03-16 7:31 AM in reply to: #2555906 |
Expert 1246 West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. It appears that "monsoon" season may be finally over here. The flooding was pretty crazy here too. But the weather looks outstanding for the next week or so... low to mid 60's and no rain. Unfortunately (or fortunately, maybe), I'm in my taper week, so I can't take full advantage of it. And the extended forecast is saying the weather should be perfect for my race on Sunday... starting in the upper 40's at the start of the race and in the upper 50's when I finish. I was able to do a 3.4 mi speed interval treadmill run this morning. I ended up "tapering" quite a bit more than I anticipated. Once again, "life" got in the way and this morning was my first "real" workout in 4 or 5 days. But I'm still very psyched for the upcoming race! |
| 2010-03-16 7:55 AM in reply to: #2728467 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. billsorg - 2010-03-16 8:31 AM It appears that "monsoon" season may be finally over here. The flooding was pretty crazy here too. But the weather looks outstanding for the next week or so... low to mid 60's and no rain. Unfortunately (or fortunately, maybe), I'm in my taper week, so I can't take full advantage of it. And the extended forecast is saying the weather should be perfect for my race on Sunday... starting in the upper 40's at the start of the race and in the upper 50's when I finish. I was able to do a 3.4 mi speed interval treadmill run this morning. I ended up "tapering" quite a bit more than I anticipated. Once again, "life" got in the way and this morning was my first "real" workout in 4 or 5 days. But I'm still very psyched for the upcoming race! Sounds perfect Bill. Have a great race. Is this your first half? Run your pace and finish strong! |
| 2010-03-16 1:20 PM in reply to: #2728525 |
Expert 1246 West Grove, PA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-03-16 8:55 AM billsorg - 2010-03-16 8:31 AM It appears that "monsoon" season may be finally over here. The flooding was pretty crazy here too. But the weather looks outstanding for the next week or so... low to mid 60's and no rain. Unfortunately (or fortunately, maybe), I'm in my taper week, so I can't take full advantage of it. And the extended forecast is saying the weather should be perfect for my race on Sunday... starting in the upper 40's at the start of the race and in the upper 50's when I finish. I was able to do a 3.4 mi speed interval treadmill run this morning. I ended up "tapering" quite a bit more than I anticipated. Once again, "life" got in the way and this morning was my first "real" workout in 4 or 5 days. But I'm still very psyched for the upcoming race! Sounds perfect Bill. Have a great race. Is this your first half? Run your pace and finish strong! This is my first half other than the last leg of my HIM last year. But I was pretty spent by the time I got to the run leg, so my run time was not very impressive (02:38:33 - 12m 06s min/mile). My goal is to knock a half hour or more off that time. |
| 2010-03-16 1:55 PM in reply to: #2729351 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. billsorg - 2010-03-15 11:20 PM This is my first half other than the last leg of my HIM last year. But I was pretty spent by the time I got to the run leg, so my run time was not very impressive (02:38:33 - 12m 06s min/mile). My goal is to knock a half hour or more off that time. Good luck Bill!!! RESIST the urge to start off to fast! Pace yourself, you will do GREAT! |
| 2010-03-16 2:45 PM in reply to: #2729468 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. RunRene - 2010-03-16 2:55 PM Good luck Bill!!! RESIST the urge to start off to fast! Pace yourself, you will do GREAT! I agree after looking at Bill's logs, you'll do great. While we're on the topic, what is the best way to run a half marathon? Assume we have a target pace, do you start 20 seconds (or some other number) slower for 3 miles, then slowly speed up and depending how you feel hammer the last 5 miles or the last 5k? Or is there some standard protocol to get the most out of a hardware run? One of my half marathon goals is to do my last 5k faster than the first 5k (without tanking the first 5k  ), in keeping with my general idea of pacing so that I'm finishing strong in training and racing. |
| 2010-03-16 3:53 PM in reply to: #2729621 |
Expert 694 WA | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-03-16 12:45 AM RunRene - 2010-03-16 2:55 PM Good luck Bill!!! RESIST the urge to start off to fast! Pace yourself, you will do GREAT! I agree after looking at Bill's logs, you'll do great. While we're on the topic, what is the best way to run a half marathon? Assume we have a target pace, do you start 20 seconds (or some other number) slower for 3 miles, then slowly speed up and depending how you feel hammer the last 5 miles or the last 5k? Or is there some standard protocol to get the most out of a hardware run? One of my half marathon goals is to do my last 5k faster than the first 5k (without tanking the first 5k ), in keeping with my general idea of pacing so that I'm finishing strong in training and racing.I will tell you what I did. I plugged my 5K race results (20:02) into that VDOT deal and found my approximate pace. I knew I wanted to go between 7:00-7:15 per mile. The slowest I would allow myself was 7:24. The course was flat so it was easier to keep a steady pace. The last 3-5 miles I tried to hold a faster pace. At mile 12, I used up anything I had left. Warren, I think your strategy of running the last 3 miles faster is a good one. I think holding a steady pace for 8-10 miles then anything you have left you BURN! I wouldn't run "slower' than your targeted pace though. |
| 2010-03-16 9:41 PM in reply to: #2725692 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Aaron Davidson's Group -- Closed. wbayek - 2010-03-14 6:28 PM aarondavidson - 2010-03-13 12:07 AM Doorframe is temporary until you get the hang. Someone once suggested putting heavy dining room/kitchen chairs on either side with the seatbacks closest to the rollers. They will still move, so I would stick with the door frame. How long should this take? Is everyone this clueless at first, or am I totally spastic on the bike? Everyone. Some cool videos of U23 or U18 kids warming up on them before a track race. Crazy to see. |
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