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2012-02-13 3:38 PM
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Thanks for all the useful info.  Does the 198lb include the weight of the bike?  I am currently 185ish and race time around 180 range so It would make a difference with considering the frame and accesories on the bike.


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Grungir - 2012-02-13 1:17 PM

Let me preface this by saying I am not a super competitive triathlete... im a consistent MOPer and am happy with that.

 

So my questions are:

Great questions... Let me answer them the best I can. 

Are the ceramic bearings worth it?

We wrote an article about our ceramic bearings on our blog.  I think it will help you decide if ceramic bearings are for you.  Ceramic Bearing Article 

What about the depth... would I be OK going 90/90 or would a 60/90 setup be better for someone like me (average bike handling skills)? Also keep in mind that right now i am riding a roadie with clipons (Felt AR4)

Here is a pretty good break down of why you may consider a particular wheel.  

Feel free to ask me any additional questions.



Choosing a FLO Wheelset

Front Wheel
Our FLO 60 and 90 have similar aerodynamics.  The FLO 90 is faster until about 12 degrees of yaw and our FLO 60 is faster at yaw angles greater than 12 degrees.  This is a common trend among other aero wheels on the market.  It is known that faster riders experience shallower yaw angles.  It's just how the physics works out.  This means faster riders (riders who have and average speed of ~24mph or greater) will benefit more from the FLO 90.  Athletes averaging more humane speeds will benefit more from the FLO 60.  Also, keep in mind that the FLO 90 will be a little more touchy in cross winds. Our new fairing shapes allow all of our wheels handle much better in cross winds when compared to standard aerowheels... but... if you are at all nervous about bike handling, the FLO 60 will be an easier wheel to handle on the front.

 

Rear Wheel
The rear wheel may be a bit of a different story.  To start, crosswinds really don't effect a rear wheel like they do a front wheel.  This is because there is no steering axis.  For this reason don't base your choice on handling your bike in a crosswind.  Let me give a few examples of what rear wheel choices you could make and why...

Rear FLO 90 
Based on our experience from talking with thousands of people, I would imagine most triathletes will go with a FLO 60/90 combo.  The main reason for this choice is versatility and aerodynamics.  For athletes who are not able to also buy a FLO DISC, the FLO 90 will make a great covered wheel.  Our FLO DISC was based on the FLO 90 shape.  Therefore, a covered FLO 90 should be the next best thing when compared to our FLO DISC.  Getting FLO DISC aerodynamics by simply adding a wheel cover to you FLO 90 gives triathletes a lot of versatility.  Very aerodynamic versatility at that.

Rear FLO 60 
The rear FLO 60 may work better for road cyclist who are racing crits, stages races etc.  Because the rear FLO 60 is lighter, it will help with the continual accelerations you experience when racing crits and the heaving climbing you can experience in some stage races.  The FLO 60 should also be very aerodynamic if you ever need to use a wheel cover.  We haven't tested the FLO 60 covered... but I'm sure the aero benefits would still be very good.  

So you ask... aren't triathletes also concerned about weight?

Good question but...
Since triathletes spend much less time accelerating and typically spend less time climbing, the weight is much less of a concern.  This article here explains why (http://www.slowtwitch.com/Tech/Why_Wheel_Aerodynamics_Can_Outweigh_Wheel_Weight_and_Inertia_2106.html).  For that reason I think most triathletes will benefit more from having the ultra aero option of adding a wheel cover to their FLO 90.

FLO DISC 
A disc wheel is always the fastest wheel.  The FLO DISC is super fast and if you want the ultimate "get from point A to point B in as little time as possible wheel", get the FLO DISC.  

In the end the FLO 60 and FLO 90 are both very aero wheels and any of the combos, 60/60, 60/90, 90/90 will make great choices that are much faster than a standard wheelset.  The aerodynamics of the FLO 60 and 90 are very similar... so... if you have your heart set on any of the above combos, you really can't go wrong with any of them.

 



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2012-02-13 3:52 PM
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stevemurf1 - 2012-02-13 1:26 PM I really hope that your website can hanle the traffic. I think you will have hundreds of orders being placed between 10:00 and 10:01. Please don't crash on me. I really need to be in that first production run for my first ironman. Congrats.

I checked with our hosting company.  They said we should be fine.  We are doing everything we an to prepare for that day.  Positive thoughts, positive thoughts.... Haha!

Thanks for the support, 

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justmo34 - 2012-02-13 1:38 PM Thanks for all the useful info.  Does the 198lb include the weight of the bike?  I am currently 185ish and race time around 180 range so It would make a difference with considering the frame and accesories on the bike.


You're welcome.  You can ignore the weight of the bike and just consider rider weight for our recommendations.  Unless of course you like to carry bricks on on your bike

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2012-02-13 3:59 PM
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That's quite impressive that you have your disk available in standard and clydesdale. 

I couldn't get that information on your web site. 

 

Good luck with your launch.  It's been great watching you guys get this off the ground.

 

2012-02-13 4:12 PM
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JeffY - 2012-02-13 1:59 PM

That's quite impressive that you have your disk available in standard and clydesdale. 

Thanks 

I couldn't get that information on your web site. 

It will be there ASAP!  The wheel pages are pretty cool.  I can't wait to get them live.

Good luck with your launch.  It's been great watching you guys get this off the ground.

I appreciate that.  Thank you! 

 

All the best,



2012-02-13 5:56 PM
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thanks for the info!

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Grungir - 2012-02-13 3:56 PM

thanks for the info!

You are welcome.

2012-02-13 8:04 PM
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Grungir - 2012-02-13 3:17 PM

Are the ceramic bearings worth it?

Good article here about halo bikes and a small blivet in there about the inclusion of ceramic bearings in them.  Perhaps that will help you with your question.

2012-02-14 5:50 AM
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I found this article on ceramic bearings. Seems like it might be a worthwhile upgrade.... Question for you bike gurus out there -- I have a Powertap Pro+ rear hub, which I believe has steel bearings. I will race with this powertap rear wheel + disc cover, so I'm not sure ceramic bearings for the front would make any difference for me. Thoughts??
2012-02-14 8:26 AM
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Im sure I am splitting hairs now, but will you offer a color choice on the decals?

I was looking to have a white/gray with no blue.

 

ROY



2012-02-14 9:42 AM
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60/60 or 60/90? Too many decisions...  

Discounting the fact that the 60/90 would look much cooler, why not go 60/60?  The aero data doesn't seem to show much advantage in the 90 over the 60 and it is adding extra weight.  The 60 rear would also be more useful in crosswinds and for things like crit riding.

2012-02-14 9:55 AM
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If considering ceramic bearings for just one wheel, would you suggest front or rear? Or does it not make a difference, or is this just a bad idea?
2012-02-14 10:34 AM
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roytyson - 2012-02-14 6:26 AM

Im sure I am splitting hairs now, but will you offer a color choice on the decals?

I was looking to have a white/gray with no blue.

 

ROY

There will be 20 color options available for pre-order at no additional cost.  We've added 10 new ones that I think will be a hit!  They'll be available on the 20th if you've signed up with a cool interactive color swapper.

Take care, 

2012-02-14 10:36 AM
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shaka999 - 2012-02-14 7:42 AM

60/60 or 60/90? Too many decisions...  

Discounting the fact that the 60/90 would look much cooler, why not go 60/60?  The aero data doesn't seem to show much advantage in the 90 over the 60 and it is adding extra weight.  The 60 rear would also be more useful in crosswinds and for things like crit riding.



Here is something I've written that may help you decide...

Choosing a FLO Wheelset

Front Wheel
Our FLO 60 and 90 have similar aerodynamics.  The FLO 90 is faster until about 12 degrees of yaw and our FLO 60 is faster at yaw angles greater than 12 degrees.  This is a common trend among other aero wheels on the market.  It is known that faster riders experience shallower yaw angles.  It's just how the physics works out.  This means faster riders (riders who have and average speed of ~24mph or greater) will benefit more from the FLO 90.  Athletes averaging more humane speeds will benefit more from the FLO 60.  Also, keep in mind that the FLO 90 will be a little more touchy in cross winds. Our new fairing shapes allow all of our wheels handle much better in cross winds when compared to standard aerowheels... but... if you are at all nervous about bike handling, the FLO 60 will be an easier wheel to handle on the front.

 

Rear Wheel
The rear wheel may be a bit of a different story.  To start, crosswinds really don't effect a rear wheel like they do a front wheel.  This is because there is no steering axis.  For this reason don't base your choice on handling your bike in a crosswind.  Let me give a few examples of what rear wheel choices you could make and why...

Rear FLO 90 
Based on our experience from talking with thousands of people, I would imagine most triathletes will go with a FLO 60/90 combo.  The main reason for this choice is versatility and aerodynamics.  For athletes who are not able to also buy a FLO DISC, the FLO 90 will make a great covered wheel.  Our FLO DISC was based on the FLO 90 shape.  Therefore, a covered FLO 90 should be the next best thing when compared to our FLO DISC.  Getting FLO DISC aerodynamics by simply adding a wheel cover to you FLO 90 gives triathletes a lot of versatility.  Very aerodynamic versatility at that.

Rear FLO 60 
The rear FLO 60 may work better for road cyclist who are racing crits, stages races etc.  Because the rear FLO 60 is lighter, it will help with the continual accelerations you experience when racing crits and the heaving climbing you can experience in some stage races.  The FLO 60 should also be very aerodynamic if you ever need to use a wheel cover.  We haven't tested the FLO 60 covered... but I'm sure the aero benefits would still be very good.  

So you ask... aren't triathletes also concerned about weight?

Good question but...
Since triathletes spend much less time accelerating and typically spend less time climbing, the weight is much less of a concern.  This article here explains why (http://www.slowtwitch.com/Tech/Why_Wheel_Aerodynamics_Can_Outweigh_Wheel_Weight_and_Inertia_2106.html).  For that reason I think most triathletes will benefit more from having the ultra aero option of adding a wheel cover to their FLO 90.

FLO DISC 
A disc wheel is always the fastest wheel.  The FLO DISC is super fast and if you want the ultimate "get from point A to point B in as little time as possible wheel", get the FLO DISC.  

In the end the FLO 60 and FLO 90 are both very aero wheels and any of the combos, 60/60, 60/90, 90/90 will make great choices that are much faster than a standard wheelset.  The aerodynamics of the FLO 60 and 90 are very similar... so... if you have your heart set on any of the above combos, you really can't go wrong with any of them.

I hope this helps,

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ToeKnail - 2012-02-14 7:55 AM If considering ceramic bearings for just one wheel, would you suggest front or rear? Or does it not make a difference, or is this just a bad idea?

If you are considering ceramic bearings for 1 wheel, I would recommend the rear wheel.  This is because it experiences higher loads.  

I hope that helps,



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If you need a person to distribute them from Canada...I would love to help out a fellow Canadian.

I don't have any business but could be the "in-between" for all your Canadian customers Laughing

I'm hopefully going to get a Flo 90 front with a Flo Disc for the rear Cool

Thanks for the offer.  We are not using any distributors and are going to sell everything from our website.  Nothing personal, just the way we are set up.

The FLO 90 and DISC are a great combo.  I'm confident you'll love it.

Take care, 

Selling from the US to Canada would incur a VAT tax wouldn't it? 

Having a Canadian distributor would be cheaper for your customers. 

 

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JeffY - 2012-02-14 1:25 PM
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2paz - 2012-02-11 10:33 AM

If you need a person to distribute them from Canada...I would love to help out a fellow Canadian.

I don't have any business but could be the "in-between" for all your Canadian customers Laughing

I'm hopefully going to get a Flo 90 front with a Flo Disc for the rear Cool

Thanks for the offer.  We are not using any distributors and are going to sell everything from our website.  Nothing personal, just the way we are set up.

The FLO 90 and DISC are a great combo.  I'm confident you'll love it.

Take care, 

Selling from the US to Canada would incur a VAT tax wouldn't it? 

Having a Canadian distributor would be cheaper for your customers. 

 

We *might* incur a tax with a USPS shipment (seems to depend on the CBSA agent's mood....) and things are rarely cheaper here.....

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So I went on the site and got access. I got the user name and password. Now when I go back to the site there is no place to login???

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metcalf34 - 2012-02-14 11:39 AM So I went on the site and got access. I got the user name and password. Now when I go back to the site there is no place to login???

That's because the launch doesn't start until the 20th.

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JeffY - 2012-02-14 9:25 AM
Canadian_Flo - 2012-02-11 1:50 PM
2paz - 2012-02-11 10:33 AM

If you need a person to distribute them from Canada...I would love to help out a fellow Canadian.

I don't have any business but could be the "in-between" for all your Canadian customers Laughing

I'm hopefully going to get a Flo 90 front with a Flo Disc for the rear Cool

Thanks for the offer.  We are not using any distributors and are going to sell everything from our website.  Nothing personal, just the way we are set up.

The FLO 90 and DISC are a great combo.  I'm confident you'll love it.

Take care, 

Selling from the US to Canada would incur a VAT tax wouldn't it? 

Having a Canadian distributor would be cheaper for your customers. 

 

In the end no.  To have a distributor in Canada I either have to have a 3rd party company facilitate that, or set up our own warehouse and staff it.  Both options add considerable cost and would cause our product cost to go up.  I would imagine using separate distribution locations would end up in an even higher price for the customer.  Each time our product changes hands, the price go up.  Here's an image to help illustrate that...



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metcalf34 - 2012-02-14 9:39 AM So I went on the site and got access. I got the user name and password. Now when I go back to the site there is no place to login???

Launch information is available on the launch page... that is where you put in your username and password.  You can get to it here...

http://www.flocycling.com/launch.php 

2012-02-15 12:42 PM
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 I am torn between a 60/60 or 60/90. I am a little guy (5'9" & race at about 135lbs). My last 70.3 I averaged 21.1mph. I am buying these wheels for triathlons from sprint to 140.6. Triathlon is the main reason I am buying these but I would also love to throw them on my road bike every now and then. I also plan on getting a wheelcover for the rear.

I know that either combo will be much better than my training wheels that I have been racing on so I just want to post this and get some people opinions. I have read and reread Flo's responses on this so I just want to get everyone else’s .02. So at my weight and speed what would you get?

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I am leaning toward the 60/90 basically because it is a toss up and I like how the 90 rear looks.Smile

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I don't see the advantage to the 90's.   I am going to order two 60's. This will work for road riding. For tris throw on a rear wheel cover.  My transition is not wheel cover friendly so I might get a disc for the back too.  If you however don't want a disc and don't want a wheel cover, and don't plan on using it a lot for road races, the 60/90 combo would be fine. The wind tunnel data did not convince me that the 90 is better however.

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I've been following the other thread religiously for many months through those automatic emails I get from BT. Note to Administrators - you might want to consider a post in a thread explaining that it will be frozen or moved to another thread rather than just deleting or entirely moving a thread that has been around for over a year. All of a sudden yesterday the links just took me to an error page, now they simply take you to the BT forums general page.

(On a positive side, by posting this message I should once again be getting those automatic emails for this replacement thread!)

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