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 2006-02-21 2:49 PM in reply to: #351125 |
Pro  5153    Helena, MT |  Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rantIf there was no help, there'd be no homeless people. True enough. They'd be dead. Yeah, sooo much better. |
| 2006-02-21 2:50 PM in reply to: #351094 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-21 12:18 PM kimj81 - 2006-02-21 11:14 AM Alright, so your family dog and a professional bum are drowning, you can only save one, which do you save? -- just call me chuck the entertainer I think I've now officially won the record for most quotes ending up as people's sigs. I think this is funny though. What you said is so incredibly ridiculous that I don't even think people are going to blow up on you.  I'd save the homeless dude. My dogs are rockin' swimmers. If that were really happening, I'd probably save my dog over just about anyone. Bum or not. |
| 2006-02-21 2:56 PM in reply to: #351125 |
Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant tyrant - 2006-02-21 3:46 PM you are correct if no one ever helped them they would be gone. Let's keep in mind, most homeless people are mentally ill. You can't really diagnose them easily by walking by them on the sidewalk, but if no one ever helped those people, they'd still be there. |
| 2006-02-21 3:00 PM in reply to: #351140 |
Master 1867  The real USC, in the ghetto of LA | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant Opus - 2006-02-21 2:56 PM tyrant - 2006-02-21 3:46 PM you are correct if no one ever helped them they would be gone. Let's keep in mind, most homeless people are mentally ill. You can't really diagnose them easily by walking by them on the sidewalk, but if no one ever helped those people, they'd still be there. no im sure they might just die! (see chucky smiling) |
| 2006-02-21 3:07 PM in reply to: #351118 |
Got Wahoo? 5423 San Antonio | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant southernaquagoddess - 2006-02-21 1:36 PM Hey, Fritoe....calm down. Didn't I throw money in your cup that time? Anyway, I will probably get tooled for this, but here is an entry to my Livejournal Blog from last summer on this very subject. The top two paragraphs I pretty much already said in this thread, it's the end of this entry that I think is interesting: CHARITY You know those guys on the roads that sit on the ramp of exits with sad signs....."will work for food" or "Vietnam Vet" or sadder still, "hungry"? Well I give money to all of them. I know they spend it on drugs and alcohol, but I don't care. I can't look into the eyes of another person in need, whatever that need might be, and then look away. It does something to me, to look away would be to disregard that person's humanness. It's not that I think it's okay what they do with the money, but by me acknowledging them by giving them a few dollars it says "someone else sees you" "someone cares". And the best part is that I never tell anyone that I do this. My grandma told me that a good deed isn't good if you tell about it and I kind of like having that kind of secret. Yes, I see your point, One and Only - you may be right about the co-dependant nature of service and that which is served and it can be a subtle need that affects us all, whether in relationships, life choices or other, less obvious decisions we make - however, if you look a little deeper, the one doing the service is not demanding someone else be responsible for their continuance and/or circumstances. The person who looking for us to support them (deliberately not using the word help here, as help implies mutual action), makes numerous demands upon society, only some of which he/she will ever acknowledge. The indigent, more often than not, will resent you all the more for what you give. I don't fault you for giving money to the needy, but even the most altruistic among us has to draw the line somewhere - that soda Jane just bought could have supplied a meal or bought a pair of socks for the "needy." So it follows that EVERYONE draws a line somewhere. I would not judge you for what help you give, as long as you respect MY line at NOT contributing to the same woman who has been on the corner for years.... That Chucky thinks of them as strays is harsh on it's face, but there is a lot of emotional truth in the description: A stray will give you nothing for what you give it and will take it from you if they can. There is a selfish anger involved in this type of human that makes "biting the hand that feeds you" very real and accurate, unfortunately. Edited by tmwelshy 2006-02-21 3:09 PM |
| 2006-02-21 3:10 PM in reply to: #351147 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant tyrant - 2006-02-21 3:00 PM no im sure they might just die! (see chucky smiling) No, like other animals, humans have an incredible will to live. If no one fed them, they would find a way - anyway - to survive. Crime would rise dramatically and we would pay more taxes to pay for our overflowing prisons and increased police ranks. |
| 2006-02-21 3:11 PM in reply to: #351041 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant Apparently, Chucky is actually Patrick Bateman. ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-21 2:49 PM We reap what we sow. They are sub-human, somewhere between animal and man. When dogs roam the streets, I don't pity them. I think despise is the word for how I feel for them. They are not my equal and I won't treat them as one. You should have beat the **** out of that guy in the kinkos. The chick that opened the door for you didn't deserve your seven cents either. |
| 2006-02-21 3:18 PM in reply to: #350623 |
Master 1932 Savannah, | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant And, Sir Fritoe (you got a promotion), I agree completely. I have a line as well, it is not very well defined, and quite fickle. But when I do give them money, it is up to them to make it right. They can either buy crack or help a sick puppy or whatever....but my job is done. I did what I feel was the right thing at the time and now the responsiblity of doing good/right is on their shoulders (with that five bucks). Another good point you spurred......they have rights, but so do I. Don't come up to my kids, don't get in my face, respect my space. A lot of people in this society give them more rights than they give me......but, I am soooo not getting into a political discussion. I am off to help the needy....my kids. They are needy because their sick mother has been logged on to BT waaay too long today. Must......log.......off...... |
| 2006-02-21 3:40 PM in reply to: #351171 |
| Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant run4yrlif - 2006-02-21 12:11 PM Apparently, Chucky is actually Patrick Bateman. ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-21 2:49 PM We reap what we sow. They are sub-human, somewhere between animal and man. When dogs roam the streets, I don't pity them. I think despise is the word for how I feel for them. They are not my equal and I won't treat them as one. You should have beat the **** out of that guy in the kinkos. The chick that opened the door for you didn't deserve your seven cents either. You couldn't be more wrong, was the movie any good? From wiki: As written by Ellis, Bateman is the ultimate stereotype of yuppie greed: rich, shallow, and mindlessly acquisitive. All of his friends look alike to him (to the point that he often confuses one for another, and they often confuse him for other people) but he obsessively details every single feature of his clothes, stereo, car, workout routine, and business card. He is engaged to an equally rich, shallow woman named Evelyn. They can't stand each other, but stay together for the sake of their social lives. He has a mistress on the side (the fiancée of a colleague he hates) and has regular liaisons with prostitutes, many of whom end up being his victims. The one woman (and possibly the one person) in his life he has anything approaching feelings for is his secretary, Jean, whom he just can't bring himself to seduce, rape and/or kill (perhaps because she's the only person in his life who isn't completely shallow). While on the surface Bateman seems to be the embodiment of the suave, attractive and successful businessman, he is actually something of a loser. He appears to loathe himself as much as he does everyone else; he kills many of his victims because they make him feel inadequate, usually by having better taste than he does. His friends mock him as the "boy next door," his own lawyer refers to him as a "bloody ass-kisser ... a brown-nose goody-goody," and he is often dismissed as "yuppie trash" by people outside of his social circle. While in the act of killing and dismembering a victim, he breaks down, sobbing that he "just wants to be loved." He often (understandably) doubts his sanity; he has periodic attacks of psychosis, during which he hallucinates, as well as episodes of blind, unreasoning panic. Bateman compensates for these inabilities and insecurities through obsessive vanity and personal grooming. He dresses in the most fashionable, expensive clothing possible as a means of affecting some "control" over his otherwise chaotic life. Likewise, he categorizes people by what they wear and how they look because they are more easily "understood" in terms of labels and stereotypes. People as three-dimensional beings are unpredictable and impossible to understand, but people in terms of attire and appearance are much more easy for Bateman to grasp. Bateman does not fit the "typical" profile of a serial killer, as he kills more or less indiscriminately, with no preferred type of victim to prey on; throughout the novel, he kills men, women, and one child. He kills women mostly for sadistic sexual pleasure, often during or just after sex, and is also a prolific rapist, in the book, Bateman also makes reference to a rape he commited against one of his family's maids on Christmas Eve, when he was aged just 14, suggesting his depravity existed at an early age. He also suggests that the last trappings of human emotion probably left him during his time at Harvard. He kills men because they anger or annoy him, and the child just to see if he would enjoy it (which he didn't.) Periodically, he matter-of-factly confesses his crimes to his friends, co-workers, and even complete strangers ("I like to dissect girls—do you know I'm utterly insane?") just to see if they're actually listening to him. They either aren't, or think he's joking. Bateman talks about killing with the same emotionless, clinical detail he applies to his clothes, apartment, friends, and record collection; he seems to be incapable of any real emotion save that of homicidal rage. In his own words: "I am simply not there." Toward the end of the novel, not even killing can arouse feeling in him. Bateman was never arrested or even suspected of the enormous number of murders he committed. |
| 2006-02-21 3:45 PM in reply to: #351177 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant Suggested rule to follow: Love your neighbor as you love yourself. Sometimes that means being a compassionate conservative. Sometimes that means being a bleeding heart liberal. Whatever you do, love the person you're doing it for. The bloody last century shows what can happen when we start treating human beings as sub-human. |
| 2006-02-21 3:46 PM in reply to: #351226 |
| Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant dontracy - 2006-02-21 4:45 PM Suggested rule to follow: Love your neighbor as you love yourself. Sometimes that means being a compassionate conservative. Sometimes that means being a bleeding heart liberal. Whatever you do, love the person you're doing it for. The bloody last century shows what can happen when we start treating human beings as sub-human. Have you heard of Karen Armstrong? |
| 2006-02-21 3:48 PM in reply to: #351227 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant Have you heard of Karen Armstrong? Yes, I've read a couple of her books. Excellent writer, though I don't agree with all of her conclusions. Edited by dontracy 2006-02-21 3:53 PM |
| 2006-02-21 3:51 PM in reply to: #351231 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant St. Vincent DePaul said:
It is not enough to give bread Love must be our calling Then will the poor Forgive us the bread that we give them |
| 2006-02-21 3:52 PM in reply to: #351226 |
Master 1867 The real USC, in the ghetto of LA | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant dontracy - 2006-02-21 3:45 PM Suggested rule to follow: Love your neighbor as you love yourself. Sometimes that means being a compassionate conservative. Sometimes that means being a bleeding heart liberal. Whatever you do, love the person you're doing it for. The bloody last century shows what can happen when we start treating human beings as sub-human. i was raised when you need help, you have to SHOW good faith, and fallow it through. made me really good freinds with my gfs (now ex) family, BC my car broke down and didnt have the cash to pay them back. they paid for it and told me "when you can, pay us back." that day i gave them a payment plan, and i paid them back faster then the plan called for. |
| 2006-02-21 3:55 PM in reply to: #351236 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant Thank you for that, Don. Helping others is not about others. It's about who we are. dontracy - 2006-02-21 3:51 PM St. Vincent DePaul said:
It is not enough to give bread Love must be our calling Then will the poor Forgive us the bread that we give them |
| 2006-02-21 3:58 PM in reply to: #351218 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant Movie was OK, the book was something else entirely. I mentioned it because there's this scene (can't remember if it made the movie or not) where Bateman vicously muders a homeless guy. But it was a joke. I don't think you actually viciously murder homeless guys. Or do you... ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-21 4:40 PM You couldn't be more wrong, was the movie any good? |
| 2006-02-21 4:00 PM in reply to: #351236 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant dontracy - 2006-02-21 1:51 PM St. Vincent DePaul said:
It is not enough to give bread Love must be our calling Then will the poor Forgive us the bread that we give them Perfect. |
| 2006-02-21 4:04 PM in reply to: #351226 |
| Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant dontracy - 2006-02-21 12:45 PM Suggested rule to follow: Love your neighbor as you love yourself. Whatever you do, love the person you're doing it for. Because bums will reciprocate? I save my love/respect for the people that have earned it. I don't give it freely. There is no such thing as unconditional love. The bloody last century shows what can happen when we start treating human beings as sub-human. Invalid comparison. I didn't advocate for the extermination of bums. I just said that he should have beat the **** out of the gentleman that stole from him, his client, and boss, and not contributed to the entertainment fund of the lovely lady that opened the door for him. Our very own Tyrant embodies (from what I can tell anyway) the American ideal. "Go to school", "work hard", "make sound decisions". I'd rather see Tyrant keep his cash to make sure that his investment in himself pays off than to see these moochers and thieves steal that from him. If I had a dollar to give, I'd give it to guys like Tyrant every time. |
| 2006-02-21 4:08 PM in reply to: #351250 |
| Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant run4yrlif - 2006-02-21 12:58 PM Movie was OK, the book was something else entirely. I mentioned it because there's this scene (can't remember if it made the movie or not) where Bateman vicously muders a homeless guy. But it was a joke. I don't think you actually viciously murder homeless guys. Or do you... haha, phew. Don't let it get around that I'm putting homeless dudes on ice. |
| 2006-02-21 4:40 PM in reply to: #351262 |
| Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-21 1:04 PM [ Our very own Tyrant embodies (from what I can tell anyway) the American ideal. "Go to school", "work hard", "make sound decisions" Calling that an ideal sells being American short. |
| 2006-02-21 4:42 PM in reply to: #351336 |
Master 1867 The real USC, in the ghetto of LA | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant zagagirl - 2006-02-21 4:40 PM ChuckyFinster - 2006-02-21 1:04 PM [ Our very own Tyrant embodies (from what I can tell anyway) the American ideal. "Go to school", "work hard", "make sound decisions" Calling that an ideal sells being American short. what is "roads paved in gold?" |
 2006-02-21 4:44 PM in reply to: #351236 |
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| 2006-02-21 7:21 PM in reply to: #351340 |
| Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant what is "roads paved in gold?"
Uh, Seattle? |
| 2006-02-22 12:51 PM in reply to: #351496 |
| Master 1867 The real USC, in the ghetto of LA | Subject: RE: am i a mean person -- rant zagagirl - 2006-02-21 7:21 PM what is "roads paved in gold?"
Uh, Seattle? i meant what is the american dream? roads paved in gold? if you think its selling america short.... |
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