July Team Captains Pow-Wow (Page 3)

Take a look at the new and improved spreadsheet and my comments about scoring.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=21756&posts=21#M199406

Anna, no worries about asking Qs. This is a new scoring system and you didn't participate in the other challenges to know what factors would affect the standings.

In threads regarding new challenges, everyone, without exception it seemed, said that they did not want to use an aggregrate scoring system. They wanted it to be a "meet your goal" challenge, not a blowout your goal challenge.

A little background: with the swim, bike and run challenges, we used an aggregrate scoring system. The % of goal attainment for the entire team was averaged; the team with the highest average won. Some people decided they didn't like that scoring system because your entire team could meet their goal and STILL lose if the other team exceeded their goals. Specifically with the bike challenge, even though more women met their goal than men, the men's team won because the scoring was based upon aggregrate goal attainment (vs # of people who met their goal).

With this new challenge (first all-3-sports challenge), it was decided that we would score based upon who made their goal. Second to that, overall % of goal attainment (not including anything over 100% in any given sport).

I know it's confusing, that's why I posted scenarios for people to do the math themselves so that they could see how this could potentially play out. You know, squawk now or forever hold your peace.

As for changing goals now, I would say that's a no go.

Renee, I am truly honored to have made your sig line! LOL!

This was what was proposed:

- Each person gets a percentage completion for each discipline with a max of 100% in each.
- Those 3 percentages then are averaged for that person for an individual score.
- The Team score is then achieved by averaging the individual scores/percentage of all teammates.

My undestanding was that this is what we agreed to and there were confirmations from Husky, Anna, Kim, Mekarul, jkbostic, and myself , and Renee......so why are we changing it now???

Laney, don't get your knickers in a knot. It will be worked out to everyone's satisfaction. There was much discussion about what people wanted to measure; how to calculate that measurement is another matter.

Chill and train hard. Or I'll have to spank ya.

Lane... you cannot be serious. No one is changing rules. And... how dare you say I'm favoring anyone?! That's not sportsmanlike at all! You owe me an apology for that. Public or PM, I don't care, just apologize.

Do you drop out of your tri's when things get sticky? Shame shame shame! You cannot dropout, I won't let you! See my guns (avatar)??? Fear the guns, Lane!

I will go back and read through every post about WHAT you all wanted measured and HOW you suggested it be measured. Most of my posts here are dashed off; I will take the 36 hours necessary to read through the various threads to make sure that this is done fairly and equitably

I will not apologize for what I believe in!  I believe the rules were agreed upon.  If people didn't agree with the rules, but refused to post on this thread like you suggested then that is their fault.  From what I can read here, most agreed with my suggestion....and it has nothing to do with my suggestion or me being right, it is that the majority agreed to those rules, you even commented on how we all were agreeing....and nothing else was said about any different rules until last weeks update that you posted saying something about a different scoring system. 

You believe the rules are being changed TO BENEFIT ANOTHER TEAM. That is an insult to my integrity and honesty. Maybe I should quit, too! Boohooo! You owe me an apology. You can complain that the scoring is not what you understood it to be but you do not get to disparage me in the process. Come on, apologize and we can kiss and make up. Waiting...

As I said, I will take the time to laboriously go through all the posts and make sure the scoring system accurately reflects what was posted and agreed upon. That's what I thought I had already done.

And if you don't apologize for accusing me of favoring another team, we can't be friends anymore. Or maybe, since you quit as captain, you can have my job.

You guys! Shake hands and relax. Renee made a mistake and posted a different scoring system(or maybe she didn't, I don't know, not paying that close of attention!). It's hard to keep up with this much stuff and keep it all straight. There is no conspiracy!!!

I'd just like to remind everyone that we're doing this for FUN, to challenge ourselves. It's not all so serious and there will be no nuclear wars if we don't all agree or things get a little screwed up. So smile, relax, train hard and get ready to lose to TEAM HOSS!!!!!

Uh, yeah, go Team Hoss....

Let me explain my words.....

Do I think the rules changed?   Yes.  Whether intentional or not.

Do I think you did it to favor another team?  No.  But do I think the rules changed were by recommendation of someone else, yes!  And do I think they will benefit someone else, yes!  But did you do it to provide that team with an advantage...NO!

This is what I take exception to, Lane. "... to benefit another team." That is not okay for you to say about me.

For the record, NO ONE said anything to me about the scoring. Not one soul. I was looking at how the calculations did not reflect what you guys said you wanted it to reflect (for reasons I clearly spelled out above). I made adjustments based upon what I understood everyone wanted the challenge to be based upon.

If anyone wants, I will gladly turn this over to someone else with no whining or hard feelings on my part. Just say the word and I'm out.

Now chill out. Here's how it's done...

Oh, and looky, Lane. There's room for you on that hammock. :p

(me and christine vegging (320 x 240).jpg)

Yes, that is what I said and that is what I believe, but what you are not hearing is that I don't think you are doing it intentional.  I think the rules were changed...I believe the rules will benefit another team.....it has to! 

Annabananamc, you made your point above and I thought I very clearly explained what was going on. I'm not sure why you feel the need to remind me that you questioned it, but thanks for weighing in. Again.

Maybe some of you aren't comfortable with the idea of me going back to read ALL the posts relative to this... and maybe you don't have the patience to allow me to do that at my leisure (like, not this very moment). What can I say? Be patient. This is not my first priority in life. My boss just told me that if I bill a certain amount of placement fees between now and 12/31/05 he will reward me with a Cervelo P3 Carbon bike. Guess where my attention quickly switched to?

The easy thing for me to do is just average everyone's goals and have done with it.  The hard (time-consuming) thing to do is go back and carefully read everyone's input and continue to carefully articulate my thought-process. I'm starting to lean towards doing the easy thing rather than what I believe is the right thing.

Great post, Max! Much more eloquently said what I was trying to get at. In a few months, no one will remember the score, much less how the scoring was done, but we'll all have new, closer BT friends. Let's not ruin something fun.