Scripps poll: One-third see U.S. hand in 9/11 (Page 3)

Totally. And I confess it's a pet peeve. Don't mean to be snarky.

i'm LMAO right now! 

the truth is out there..  

actually..... anything you say is your opinion unless you provide a source.

so technically that last statement was an opinion.... until I add that this concept has been bashed into my head for the past 10 years of my life from various english teachers and profs.   You are either stating your opinion or plagerizing someone elses, unless you state your source.  Everything is, in fact, an opinion.  Some people's opinions can be better trusted because of their experience in the field....  Even backed up by raw data, statements are still opinions, because they are the person's interpretation of the data.  So there.... I said it.   Lets move on.

And I would have to say that you can't generalize an entire people, but to say it's only a few of them that are causing the ruckus is wrong.  Look at the newspaper cartoon fiasco.  That showed me that it's a lot more then just a few people who are religous fanatics.  I mean if they drew a funny cartoon of Jesus, would we all be rioting in the streets?  It may some people off, but that would be the end of it.  It's almost like that section of the world is several centuries behind the time and they are having their own little crusades

but our entire nation wouldn't erupt into one giant riot.  It would be localized.  I was illustrating the point that if took that little to cause that much chaos, what measures would they go to for other "more important" things.

We just can't grasp their idiology. 

It wasn't a generalization, I was looking at a poll of middle eastern countries. 57% of the people of Jordan approved of suicide bombing . Blowing yourself up an a passenger bus is not "dying in battle".

This is the only one I can find, although I've read a recent one that was worse. But notice the reports says support is down. I wonder what it is now. And notice that they were afraid to go to Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia to ask the question.

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=248

This is from the BBC, so take it with a healthy dose of skepticism

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2072851.stm

Is it a sin to quote your own post? I thought I might add to it. From Time.com regarding the plot to blow up planes:

" MI5 and Scotland Yard agents tracked the plotters from the ground, while a knowledgeable American official says U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the group's communications."

See? Nothing but trouble.

I think the logic is something like this: Smart people use statistics to support their arguments. I use statisitics to support my arguments. Therefore, I'm a smart person.

I'm being forced to quote myself again, since you are mis-characterizing my statement.

Jordan, and allegedly Palestine, are Middle Eastern countries, therefore, "The majority in some Middle Eastern countries " support suicide bombing, or as I phrased it "blow yourself up in a pizza restaurant, taking as many innocent people with you as possible."

I guess it all depends on who you believe.  Until this information was forced from the Gov't, no one knew (or accepted) this was happening.  IF the surveillance was only for international communication then why are they looking at all domestic traffic as well?  Oh, yeah, they SAID they were not looking at domestic traffic, so it must be true.  The US Gov't wouldn't lie to it's own people - i keep forgetting that. 

The ENTIRE US population is impacted by loosing ANY right, especially if was not a right we choose to loose through a vote.  Show me the person who isn't impacted by this policy, and I'll show you a person who doesn't know what rights they are granted by the constitution.  You may choose to accept this policy, but it still impacts you by making it even easier for the Gov't to take away the next feedom. 

 Read this from the EFF - the gov't is already trying -

https://www.eff.org/news/archives/2006_07.php#004824

[/QUOTE Personally, the government doesn't scare me so much as private corporations that buy and sell my personal information all the time.

So, you are asking me why they are looking at domestic traffic, and your evidence that they are is that they SAID they are not.  And since they are liars that means they must be.

I choose not to respond to that.

As for the eff story, I'm not sure what you were pointing to but apparently a judge denied investigators access to telephonic communications. The judge is part of the government. So the system worked, right?

We've given up many rights to the government, the right to smoke crack, the right to steal my neighbor's car, and now, the God given right to plot mass murder with some jihadi in Pakistan on a cell phone. If I could choose, I'd give up that last one first. Apparently, that is the one you are willing to fight for.

i agree with your points. i agree corp america has gone too far with how they use information. the difference is sony does this to make a buck, which is directly related to the fact the global economy is based on the masses buying lots of crap so the few can roll in the cash. the gov't does this to have control it's citizens (flame away). own the info, own the person. goes for purchase behavior and social behavior.

The point is the gov't continues to try to take your freedom.  The judicial system works sometimes and I never said it didn't.  I'm saying people need to open their eyes, and not make the assumption the Gov't is doing anything in our best interest as it's a war machine at the moment. 

I guess I could have stated that at the beginning, but this has been such a fun thread.