Innocent until accused (Page 3)

It usually comes out in some fashion just like you described.

Here's what I told my son when he left for college (6'4", ripped fit, lives on the athletes floor in a coed dorm):   No sex with ANY girl you meet at a party when either of you are drinking.  No sex with ANY girl before you meet her parents.  I didn't just tell him that, I drilled it in his head and filled it with stories of my experiences investigating date rape charges.  That's all I can do, or any of us can do. I worry about it because I know how much attention he gets from girls.

I'll tell the same things to my daughters before they go to college next year.....but I'll add NEVER set your drink down, and if you do, dump it out and get another.

(I only sound naive......I've always given them extreme boundaries.  I hope for about 65-75% compliance )

It's really about respect for yourself and others.  I hope I've armed them well enough to see them through.

Oh, I don't know.....I sure got stupid when my kids got to be about 17.  I had no idea how much I needed to learn from them and their vast experience.

Bro - would you let a man in his mid 30's date your 14 year old daughter....or even your 17 year old daughter?  Would you let your 14 year old daughter go to a man's house who was in his mid 30's to watch TV? 

If the answer is no, then you can't defend this weirdo. 

If the answer is yes then carry on.....must be something in that 'Bama water ya'll drink.

And the bolded  makes my point.  Of course what Clinton did was creepy, and we all called him out on it.  So now we're supposed to say Moore can stay in office when we wanted Clinton out?  That makes no sense to me.

I don't give a rats if they call that azzhat a pedophile or a moonpie.....he's morally unfit as far as I'm concerned.

Any middle-aged guy that trolled high schools for dates is not a good man. Period. I don't care what kind of saint he appears to be in every other aspect of his life, he was preying on children. Maybe high school girls are not young enough to technically qualify him as a pedophile, but you're really splitting hairs at that point. Having boobs doesn't change the fact that they're still very much young, naive, impressionable children.

I liked Al Franken. He was a little too far to the left for me, but I always thought he was a pretty good senator. Then I found out he doesn't know groping an unconscious woman is wrong. No aspect of how he's lived his life for the past 40 years could incline me to look past that. 

And yes, Elvis Presley was a sick man too for chasing Priscilla when she was a child. The difference there is that Elvis played a guitar. Don't like what he did, don't buy his records and don't go to Graceland. Franken and (in a month) Moore get to write the nation's laws. Maybe someone who thinks it's ok to feel up an unconscious woman or date a child shouldn't have that responsibility.

I didn't vote for Bill Clinton.  I don't agree with his affair or his lies about it.  But can we just stop with the comparisons between adults who can consent, and children?

I agree completely when it comes to consenting adults.....but....

.... no, not in the case of Clinton.  Sex with an intern when you are the President of the United States is pretty much the same as having a relationship with a 14 year old while you're in your 30's.  They are both absolutely a problem and show a lack of moral character.

It's THE position of power, so I'd argue that anyone you have a relationship with as President, other than your wife, is vulnerable to that influence.  But I still wouldn't compare adultery, to statutory rape or sexual misconduct with a child.  Sorry.

I understand the point you are trying to make.....but, she was working there as an intern.....you can't compare that to adultery between consenting adults.  Remember the congressional dust up years ago over interns who worked for Senators and Congressmen?  No difference.

Is it Statutory Rape?  No.  But neither is what Moore did if you are going there.  Nor is it child molestation.

Again, at least in my mind when it comes to these two examples, it's a matter of moral character.....and in these two examples, Moore and Clinton, it's the same.

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So, I thought you heathens might enjoy a pic of a day of the most recent duck hunting adventure.  It's kind of a cool pic, to me anyway, for a variety of reasons.  On the right is my 11 year old dog, next to her is a 1 year old pup that we're training.  Surrounding them, and me, are hand carved decoys that my buddy works on (I help a bit but I'm artistically handicapped, so I mostly just watch and drink beer).  In 2 of the 3 canvasback decoys to the lower left are the ashes of my buddy's old dogs. In the black duck, canvasback, and pintail decoys to the far right are the ashes of 3 of my old dogs.  The mallard decoy just to their left contains ashes from my best, and oldest, hunting partner, John, who died last year of cancer.......we take all of them hunting whenever we go.  I've not missed a season of duck hunting in 49 years, and hunted from Canada to Louisiana, so there is quite a bit of nostalgia and tradition that rolls with us.  I drink brandy from my grandpa's flask, shoot his old Browning A-5, etc. 

Best way I know to spend a day.

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The limit is pretty much the same everywhere.....Pacific flyway gets a bit different, but not much.  6 ducks per day, only 4 mallards (five out west), and other stipulations (only one can be a  pintail, 2 canvasbacks, etc).

I don't recommend starting to duck hunt unless you didn't feel like you spent enough money on triathlon......it's the only hobby I've ever had that cost MORE than triathlon by the time you're done buying boats (I once owned a $27,000 specialty boat that I ONLY used 3 months out of the year to duck hunt), dogs (what does it cost to keep a retriever for it's lifetime? I don't even know and I've had 5), shotguns, and every other piece of equipment you need to do it right.  Craziness.

yes, we have state and federal stamps.....they are pretty much the same everywhere.  State is about 10 bucks, federal is 25.  Our in state license is another 20 or so.  I hunted Kansas a few weeks ago....cost me about 100.00 for the trip for license.  Texas in a few weeks will cost me 120-150 just for the license.  Arkansas by the time the season ends will be another 150 or so.

I've only TRIED to shoot woodcock while quail hunting a few times......you're right, they're just ridiculous to try to shoot.  Getting our plans together already for a quail trip to Texas on the first weekend in Feb.  Last year we put up 83 coveys in 3 days....wild birds.  I've never seen anything like it, and I doubt many others have either, as you can mostly only read about 30 covey days anymore.  I don't think the quail did quite as well this year, but reports still are for some fine hunting.  I guess if it gets slow we'll go shoot a few pigs. Otherwise.....they may be spared for yet another year.