kaburns1214 Mentor Group 2011 Part 2 - CLOSED (Page 31)

Cheers Kelly, will have a look at this (got to love Amazon prices!)

Morning everyone.  Nasty pouring rain here is messing with my schedule.  Going to try to run this morning and then get on the trainer tonight (doesn't look like its going to be super safe to ride outside at all today).

Still feeling pretty tired from the weekend.  2 more build weeks and then a rest week (and Rev 3), which I am scared out of my mind about.

For me - unless I can do each distance individually i do not do a race (the one exception was my first marathon because the plan called for not ever running 26 miles, which i believe in retrospect was a mistake).  So, i do not disagree with you, but another perspective is that the only really dangerous portion of a tri is the swim.  if you stay to the back and can make the distance then you can soft peddle the bike and walk the run.  As Shaun said in his post, that is more akin to a long training day than a race. 

I understand why this woman did what she did, i disagree with her decision because she put herself at risk and was not ready for an oly.  some people seem to think the longer te race the better/tougher.  (i've never done any ting longer than an oly (which is a distance i very much enjoy, much more so than sprint) and I'll see how i feel about a HIM in 3 weeks.)  not sure why she didn't do a "tri a tri" type of race.  it should not take 4+ hours to finish an oly, that means she was stopping constantly.  There is a big difference between being undertrained and unprepared.  she was unprepared, which demonstrates that she is not necessarily trying to achieve fitness but rather something else - like saying she did it or scratch it off her bucket list

Go away for a few days and this place grows by more than a few pages. 

Went to Ft. Worth and was repeatedly told how I am too thin and I train too much.  This from a couple that fancies themselves endurance athletes.  Go figure.  Good ride this past Sunday.  Always good being out in the country when the sun comes up and the symphony of roosters start up.  I really live in a good area.  10 minutes to well paved, desolate roads, and right outside a major metro area. 

On the new bike front I really need to stop hanging out at my LBS.  Too much time looking at B16/14s and P2s.  Was then offered 12 month no interest and a really cut rate on some pedals and shoes.  Soooooo hard to walk out of the shop until I visualized my wife's face if I came home with it all.

"Went to Ft. Worth and was repeatedly told how I am too thin and I train too much."

that means you are doing something right!!

go with the felt!!!  It is better to ask forgiveness then permission, and jewelry works wonders!!!

I know this, and you know this, but most of my friends don't train at all or are bodybuilding/power lifting guys.  166 lbs is way too small in their eyes.  Of course you then say "Hey come ride 40 miles followed by a 10k run with me this weekend." and you get a blank stare.

I was thinking the B16.  It's Ultegra and would leave me money, in theory, to upgrade wheels and whatnot.  Also going to join their tri team which would give me a discount off Felt and not Cervelo.  Both fit BTW.

I honestly don't think this was as big a deal as the person made it. It is important that she is exercising and getting out these overcoming things she never thought she would do.  And really Ironman is the only race that is hardcore about the finish times. 

There just always has to be someone that ruins a tremendous accomplishment for someone . .. why can't they just be happy for them.

That is awesome.  Your legs must be killing you!!  Nice job

Why did you feel it necessary to wet the 3 year old's bed while she was already coughing?  Were you upset that she was keeping you awake?

I don't think the issue is being happy for someone's accomplishment, I think the issue is pointing out that what she did was dangerous.

I'm a race director of several local races.  At one of my races last year, an athlete who entered had an underlying condition where his body was not able to regulate temperature, making completing the race really risky.  I didn;t know this prior to the race (he did) and he signed a waiver saying he was physically capable.  It ended up being a hot day and he collapsed on the course.  We ended up having to have an ambulance take him to the hospital for treatement.  Several other runners races were interupted because the ambulance needed access to a narrow paved trail (while the ambulance was bringing him to the hospital there was no ambulance support if another issue occured).  I had to go with him in the ambulance and wait while he was treated and deal with his very concerned parents. 

Post-race we found out that he was uninsured and tried to file claims through the race's insurance.  His claims(and appeals) were all denied because the insurance companies determined that because of his condition he was physically unprepared for the race.  The race itself was put in jeoprady because of his accident and it took a lot of extra work to get permits approved for the next year.

Where I'm coming from is that time limits are there for participants safety and that if you can't make them (or don't have a reasonable probably of making them), there's probably a reason why you can't.  If that's your situation you should think long and hard about whether you're willing to put yourself, others and the race at risk by starting. 

11-27!

ROTFLMAO! 

As I said you are NOT wrong... there is a difference between being undertrained (long day at the office) and unprepared (dangerous to yourself).  The guy you write about could not have hurt anyone but himself and THEN was selfish enough to try and hold your race responsible for his stupidity.  If you want to act stupidly, you are on your own, IMO. 

But, because you are a lawyer and a friend, let me challenge your paradigm: what of the PD athletes?  they are truly risking themselves by racing.  People do IMs with MS, Lou Gherigs disease, immuno deficiencies, etc. They often disregard medical advice to pursue something they love and wish to accomplish. 

i personally think Shaun is 100% correct to give his opinion, I have known Kelly and Shaun for a few years now and both prior to them getting married, and regularly interact with them. I do not believe he pissed in anyone's cheerios to make a spectacle or embarrass anyone, he gave a matter of fact opinion based on the rules, which for some reason TNT gets a pass on. It was not like she was even close, she finished in what like 6h30m?? Why would you even want to be out there that long.

At what point should a group like TNT step in and say, well, maybe an Oly or longer is not such a great idea for your first attempt at a Tri based on your current fitness or training, how bout trying a sprint or something first??

TNT is given a pass at alot of events, i do not know why, i find a lot of their athletes or participants to be dangerous, self absorbed and don't follow basic rules that other athletes and participants have to adhere to, that is coming from many races where they attend, and multiple run ins with their members. Blocking, drafting, ipod's, off course support, all witnessed by me during the course of the race by a member of TNT, and they are not alone.

I do not begrudge anyone from trying to complete a dream, it is pretty much where most of us have come from, Christ, it took me over an hour to complete a half sprint as my first tri, but at some point common sense must dictate and someone must step in and give an opinion, sometimes the truth hurts.

Life is not all butterflies, unicorns and glitter, the harsh reality is someone should have stepped in before she even toed the line and then this would not have been an issue. She was certainly well aware of her training and estimated times in a best case scenario, she chose to ignore those markers, and put herself and many others at risk.

Sometimes you just cant do something safely or reasonably, you need to know when, there are other races and distances, work up to those safely.

and that thread is now locked and deleted, definitley for the better

they relinquish all those rights the minute they put their initials on the Active/bikereg.com/whomever waiver

they are acknowledging that they are participating in an event that can cause injury AND/OR death.

it does not mean that they should particiapte. regardless of their beliefs.

WOW.  That thread was the lulz.  You also have to know I cut my teeth on boards where guys inject steroids into their body and lift more weight than I can ever fathom, so they'll tell you straight up your a moron for putting yourself or others in a dangerous position.  Oh and they sure won't use clean or even civil language to do it.  The fact of the matter is that it's dangerous.  Dangerous like trying to bench press 315 lbs your first day in the gym?  No, but that's essentially what she tried to do.  The accomplishment is being persistant enough to train day in and day out so that when you walk up to the line you can finish within a reasonalble amount of time.  Being hardheaded enough to stay on an Oly course for 6+ hours is not an accomplishment.  It's dumb and dangerous.  Almost makes me support having a system where you have to prove that you're ready to move out of the sprint distance by finishing a sprint in a given amount of time or passing a phys fitness test.

I really didn't think along this line about triathlons and endurance events in general until I rode to Austin a month or so ago and watched people get taken off in ambulances and helicopters because they didn't have the fitness to do a charity ride.  This was a RACE which isn't the time or place to do something like this in my opinion.

"The accomplishment is being persistant enough to train day in and day out ."

I think this is my new favorite tri saying.

I HATE when threads get deleted...

"foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."  Ergo my lack of consistency makes me smarter, stronger and faster than everyone, bwah ha ha ha ha!

time to go do an indoor brick yuck. 

My wife says I'm foolish and small minded all the time.  Huh.... guess she's on to something. 

make sure it has purple in it

Mine goes with hobgoblin.