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2016-10-11 3:44 PM
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2016-10-11 4:54 PM
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This was my comment from 12/9/15...

Originally posted by Brit Abroad

It's like election Groundhog Day for the Republican party.

1. Republican candidate appeals to Conservative base with divisive rhetoric, and fear mongering (we need guns, religion, and more Jesus)
2. Generates furor among the far right-wing crazies as primaries approach with archaic stances to pander to the lowest class of voter, the single-issue voter (pro-life, pro-gun, anti-immigration)
3. Wins primaries, and doubles down on right-wing campaign stance.
4. Wins Republican nomination
5. Spends the remainder of the campaign trying to course-correct away from the far right-wing crazies (registered Republicans) that vote in the primares/caucuses, and become hilarious fodder for news reports.
6. Lose election, handily.

Can't deny that they're reliable.

And this is from 3/21/16...

Originally posted by Brit Abroad

This Presidential election is pretty much over.
Whoever is the nominee at the DNC will win the election.

Rubio was the only candidate who was 1) electable, and 2) had a decent chance against either Democratic candidate.
Now he's gone, it's essentially over.

The Republican establishment knows it, too. They are the reason Kasich is still running.
He was persuaded to stay in the race, knowing that if Trump won Ohio, he'd be completely unstoppable.
With Kasich remaining in the race (even though he mathematically cannot win the nomination outright), it maintains the lone hope for the GOP...a contested convention.
A contested convention is basically a nominee mulligan, and will allow the GOP establishment to regain control, and pick an electable candidate.

Outside of a contested RNC, the Dems will be handed the office.
Trump is 100% unelectable (like it or not), Cruz is too right wing to readjust and win over "independents" (besides also being inelgible for POTUS), and Kasich mathematically can't win.

It's quite fascinating to go back and see how scarily accurate I've been. Keep in mind there were mutterings of a contested convention up until the day before the RNC.
Come November 9th, as the GOP try to rebuild from the smoldering ruins of their party, there'll be inward reflections, countless hours of "where do we go now?" conversations, and plenty of pundits offering advice on how to fix what is fundamentally broken with the party. There'll be talk of progressive Republicans who can broaden the party appeal, and a drastic makeover of the GOP message.

Then, come the next Presidential election, they'll revert right back to the formula described in my December 2015 note.
Trump has proven that the message which resonates with the party base is a message of fear, isolation, and aggression. If you think that folks won't lean on this during the next Primary season if they need a boost in the polls, you haven't been paying attention.

2016-10-11 5:25 PM
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Originally posted by Brit Abroad

This was my comment from 12/9/15...

Originally posted by Brit Abroad

It's like election Groundhog Day for the Republican party.

1. Republican candidate appeals to Conservative base with divisive rhetoric, and fear mongering (we need guns, religion, and more Jesus)
2. Generates furor among the far right-wing crazies as primaries approach with archaic stances to pander to the lowest class of voter, the single-issue voter (pro-life, pro-gun, anti-immigration)
3. Wins primaries, and doubles down on right-wing campaign stance.
4. Wins Republican nomination
5. Spends the remainder of the campaign trying to course-correct away from the far right-wing crazies (registered Republicans) that vote in the primares/caucuses, and become hilarious fodder for news reports.
6. Lose election, handily.

Can't deny that they're reliable.

And this is from 3/21/16...

Originally posted by Brit Abroad

This Presidential election is pretty much over.
Whoever is the nominee at the DNC will win the election.

Rubio was the only candidate who was 1) electable, and 2) had a decent chance against either Democratic candidate.
Now he's gone, it's essentially over.

The Republican establishment knows it, too. They are the reason Kasich is still running.
He was persuaded to stay in the race, knowing that if Trump won Ohio, he'd be completely unstoppable.
With Kasich remaining in the race (even though he mathematically cannot win the nomination outright), it maintains the lone hope for the GOP...a contested convention.
A contested convention is basically a nominee mulligan, and will allow the GOP establishment to regain control, and pick an electable candidate.

Outside of a contested RNC, the Dems will be handed the office.
Trump is 100% unelectable (like it or not), Cruz is too right wing to readjust and win over "independents" (besides also being inelgible for POTUS), and Kasich mathematically can't win.

It's quite fascinating to go back and see how scarily accurate I've been. Keep in mind there were mutterings of a contested convention up until the day before the RNC.
Come November 9th, as the GOP try to rebuild from the smoldering ruins of their party, there'll be inward reflections, countless hours of "where do we go now?" conversations, and plenty of pundits offering advice on how to fix what is fundamentally broken with the party. There'll be talk of progressive Republicans who can broaden the party appeal, and a drastic makeover of the GOP message.

Then, come the next Presidential election, they'll revert right back to the formula described in my December 2015 note.
Trump has proven that the message which resonates with the party base is a message of fear, isolation, and aggression. If you think that folks won't lean on this during the next Primary season if they need a boost in the polls, you haven't been paying attention.

Make sure you update this post after November and see how accurate you really were.   

2016-10-11 6:45 PM
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Just got to wondering why BT is mostly made of of liberals (based on what gets posted here and other BT forums. There are about 2.5 conservatives that post here (half brain being the .5). Clearly this does not represent America! Why is they?
2016-10-11 6:45 PM
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Gloria Allred says she's been contacted by multiple women who are ready to come forward and accuse the Donald of sexually assaulting them. Question for the Trump fans. How many accusers would it take before you no longer support Trump?

I remember when the first allegations came out against Bill Cosby. I didn't believe it, that's Dr. Huxtable we're talking about. I grew up on Fat Albert and the Cosby Show. The man never did anything but put on a sweater and dance around to jazz. Couple more came forward and I wondered who are these women kicking the Cos while he's down. By the time the number of accusers got somewhere around a half dozen, all telling a similar story, I couldn't deny it anymore. The man is a rapist that needs to be locked up. He's up to what, like 50 women now.

So getting back to Trump. If Allred can produce just one accuser, is that enough? Five, a dozen, Cosby numbers? What's the hypothetical limit where you would have to say to yourself 'I can't vote for Trump'? Or maybe there's no amount of women that could convince you, because they're clearly all working for the Hillary camp on a mission to rig the election. It's not like anything is going to get to the courtroom anytime soon, so they'll be nothing but accusations come election day.

2016-10-11 6:56 PM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Scott71

Originally posted by Rogillio

I'm starting to think Hillary is going to win. 

If I was a Republican and Trump ends up losing, I would be might pissed at my party.

After the Romney loss and the RNC's post-election autopsy report, it was concluded that in order to win in 2016 the party would have to broaden its base and attract more minority and women voters.

How Republicans felt that Trump is the candidate to achieve that goal is beyond me. I believe it was in Trump's presidential announcement speech that he referred to illegal Mexican immigrants as criminals, drug dealers and rapists.

If the RNC has any hope of electing a Republican president in 2020 (or ever for that matter), they need to listen to their own recommendations and nominate a candidate that is appealing to all voters.

With hindsight being 20/20, I wonder how Kasich or Cruz would be polling right now?

If you're going to disparagingly quote Trump at least be accurate.  He has never said all illegal immigrants are criminals.  He said that many of them are and there is no denying that because it's true.

As for broadening it's base Trump is that broadening.  He has more labor/union support than any Republican candidate.  He has more Democratic support than any other Republican.  He is consistently crushing Hillary in the independent vote.

We'll all find out of course next month, but I don't think this race is anywhere near over yet.  The steady drip of wikileaks doesn't seem to be slowing down and who knows what other bombshells are out there for Trump.  If I were betting money I'm still on Trump at this point. 




That would be like betting against 7 - 10 odds. Good luck with that!


2016-10-11 7:02 PM
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Gloria Allred says she's been contacted by multiple women who are ready to come forward and accuse the Donald of sexually assaulting them. Question for the Trump fans. How many accusers would it take before you no longer support Trump?

I remember when the first allegations came out against Bill Cosby. I didn't believe it, that's Dr. Huxtable we're talking about. I grew up on Fat Albert and the Cosby Show. The man never did anything but put on a sweater and dance around to jazz. Couple more came forward and I wondered who are these women kicking the Cos while he's down. By the time the number of accusers got somewhere around a half dozen, all telling a similar story, I couldn't deny it anymore. The man is a rapist that needs to be locked up. He's up to what, like 50 women now.

So getting back to Trump. If Allred can produce just one accuser, is that enough? Five, a dozen, Cosby numbers? What's the hypothetical limit where you would have to say to yourself 'I can't vote for Trump'? Or maybe there's no amount of women that could convince you, because they're clearly all working for the Hillary camp on a mission to rig the election. It's not like anything is going to get to the courtroom anytime soon, so they'll be nothing but accusations come election day.

in all seriousness there is a lot of it depends in there.

if token women come forward and there's nothing to corroborate then I'd be more in the hillary mission M.O. Camp. However, if it was even one that was credible then it would be too many.  It will be hard though not to think of it as politicizing with the timing of something being just now dropped.  Rich guys like trump pay big bucks to make accusers go away (alike Clinton did) when there's real stuff.  If nobodies said anything or approached him until now then the bar will be high.

2016-10-11 7:04 PM
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Originally posted by ejshowers
Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Scott71

Originally posted by Rogillio

I'm starting to think Hillary is going to win. 

If I was a Republican and Trump ends up losing, I would be might pissed at my party.

After the Romney loss and the RNC's post-election autopsy report, it was concluded that in order to win in 2016 the party would have to broaden its base and attract more minority and women voters.

How Republicans felt that Trump is the candidate to achieve that goal is beyond me. I believe it was in Trump's presidential announcement speech that he referred to illegal Mexican immigrants as criminals, drug dealers and rapists.

If the RNC has any hope of electing a Republican president in 2020 (or ever for that matter), they need to listen to their own recommendations and nominate a candidate that is appealing to all voters.

With hindsight being 20/20, I wonder how Kasich or Cruz would be polling right now?

If you're going to disparagingly quote Trump at least be accurate.  He has never said all illegal immigrants are criminals.  He said that many of them are and there is no denying that because it's true.

As for broadening it's base Trump is that broadening.  He has more labor/union support than any Republican candidate.  He has more Democratic support than any other Republican.  He is consistently crushing Hillary in the independent vote.

We'll all find out of course next month, but I don't think this race is anywhere near over yet.  The steady drip of wikileaks doesn't seem to be slowing down and who knows what other bombshells are out there for Trump.  If I were betting money I'm still on Trump at this point. 

That would be like betting against 7 - 10 odds. Good luck with that!

Have to bet big to pay for my airplane. 

2016-10-11 7:08 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio Just got to wondering why BT is mostly made of of liberals (based on what gets posted here and other BT forums. There are about 2.5 conservatives that post here (half brain being the .5). Clearly this does not represent America! Why is they?

HAHAHAHA!!!  Dude.....I have feelings.  

Honestly.....I'm a son of the south, born in Memphis.......I blame my Yankee half.



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2016-10-11 7:17 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio Just got to wondering why BT is mostly made of of liberals (based on what gets posted here and other BT forums. There are about 2.5 conservatives that post here (half brain being the .5). Clearly this does not represent America! Why is they?

there have been a fair amount of conservatives but there's only a few of us with thick enough skin to stick around and endure the tongue lashings. 

2016-10-11 7:34 PM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio Just got to wondering why BT is mostly made of of liberals (based on what gets posted here and other BT forums. There are about 2.5 conservatives that post here (half brain being the .5). Clearly this does not represent America! Why is they?

there have been a fair amount of conservatives but there's only a few of us with thick enough skin to stick around and endure the tongue lashings. 

there are more liberals in this country than conservatives



2016-10-11 7:42 PM
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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio Just got to wondering why BT is mostly made of of liberals (based on what gets posted here and other BT forums. There are about 2.5 conservatives that post here (half brain being the .5). Clearly this does not represent America! Why is they?

there have been a fair amount of conservatives but there's only a few of us with thick enough skin to stick around and endure the tongue lashings. 

there are more liberals in this country than conservatives

For now.....watch how many run for the hills if it affects their pocket book.  LMAO

2016-10-11 8:00 PM
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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Rogillio Just got to wondering why BT is mostly made of of liberals (based on what gets posted here and other BT forums. There are about 2.5 conservatives that post here (half brain being the .5). Clearly this does not represent America! Why is they?

there have been a fair amount of conservatives but there's only a few of us with thick enough skin to stick around and endure the tongue lashings. 

there are more liberals in this country than conservatives

I think you've been hitting the whacky weed again. http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservativ...
2016-10-11 9:13 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio Just got to wondering why BT is mostly made of of liberals (based on what gets posted here and other BT forums. There are about 2.5 conservatives that post here (half brain being the .5). Clearly this does not represent America! Why is they?

I think if you get into specific issues, it's not all cut and dry even here.  It just seems that way because of our two party system.

I personally support 2nd amendment rights, for example.  But that isn't enough to get my mind into a state of Trumpiness :P

2016-10-11 9:18 PM
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Originally posted by Rogillio Just got to wondering why BT is mostly made of of liberals (based on what gets posted here and other BT forums. There are about 2.5 conservatives that post here (half brain being the .5). Clearly this does not represent America! Why is they?

I think if you get into specific issues, it's not all cut and dry even here.  It just seems that way because of our two party system.

I personally support 2nd amendment rights, for example.  But that isn't enough to get my mind into a state of Trumpiness :P

Overall I'm very fiscally conservative, but I'm also pretty liberal on civil rights and libertarian on many social issues.
2016-10-11 9:36 PM
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Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by spudone

Originally posted by Rogillio Just got to wondering why BT is mostly made of of liberals (based on what gets posted here and other BT forums. There are about 2.5 conservatives that post here (half brain being the .5). Clearly this does not represent America! Why is they?

I think if you get into specific issues, it's not all cut and dry even here.  It just seems that way because of our two party system.

I personally support 2nd amendment rights, for example.  But that isn't enough to get my mind into a state of Trumpiness :P

Overall I'm very fiscally conservative, but I'm also pretty liberal on civil rights and libertarian on many social issues.

I'm moderate on the fiscal side.  I believe balancing the budget will require ALL OF: cutting back / raising economic power / maintaining a reasonable tax base.  I'm definitely not in the Bernie camp of free education (or whatever) for everyone.

I would like to see the government overhaul the patent system.  That right there is one reason healthcare costs in this country are through the roof.  Tweak a minor thing on an old formula and get 20 more years of your monopoly.  Good times.



2016-10-11 9:38 PM
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Just saw this on FB and thought it was pretty good:
http://qpolitical.com/24-hours-after-last-nights-debate-mike-rowe-makes-a-huge-confession-on-what-he-see-wrong-with-this-election/

I do have to give everyone here credit.  We are all engaging those with opposing views and defending our own.  That's a good thing.  

2016-10-12 8:59 AM
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What do you guys think of the whole Clinton son thing?
http://www.drudgereport.com/clintondw.htm

I honestly don't think it's that big of a deal if it were true because everybody knows he gets around.  I'd be more shocked if he didn't have any illegitimate children.  hah

2016-10-12 9:03 AM
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The Titanic continues to leak:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-12/wikileaks-releases-another-1193-emails-john-podesta-fourth-data-dump

I think I mentioned it before, but it seems like they're going to continue releasing 1200 emails or so every day.  Eventually the media will have to start covering the corruption being exposed. 

2016-10-12 9:34 AM
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The Titanic continues to leak:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-12/wikileaks-releases-another-1193-emails-john-podesta-fourth-data-dump

I think I mentioned it before, but it seems like they're going to continue releasing 1200 emails or so every day.  Eventually the media will have to start covering the corruption being exposed. 

Clinton has already skirted the issues of the email server and courting foundation donors with access to the State Department.  I have yet to see anything in the several thousand emails leaked thus far to make be believe it is going to sink her ship.  Maybe Assange is holding the real smoking gun until later.

2016-10-12 9:41 AM
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Originally posted by tuwood

The Titanic continues to leak:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-12/wikileaks-releases-another-1193-emails-john-podesta-fourth-data-dump

I think I mentioned it before, but it seems like they're going to continue releasing 1200 emails or so every day.  Eventually the media will have to start covering the corruption being exposed. 

Clinton has already skirted the issues of the email server and courting foundation donors with access to the State Department.  I have yet to see anything in the several thousand emails leaked thus far to make be believe it is going to sink her ship.  Maybe Assange is holding the real smoking gun until later.

Agree, it's mostly embarrassing stuff and confirmation of what everybody already knew.  The Clinton camp and the media are one in the same. 



2016-10-12 10:35 AM
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2016-10-12 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Hook'em

Originally posted by tuwood

The Titanic continues to leak:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-12/wikileaks-releases-another-1193-emails-john-podesta-fourth-data-dump

I think I mentioned it before, but it seems like they're going to continue releasing 1200 emails or so every day.  Eventually the media will have to start covering the corruption being exposed. 

Clinton has already skirted the issues of the email server and courting foundation donors with access to the State Department.  I have yet to see anything in the several thousand emails leaked thus far to make be believe it is going to sink her ship.  Maybe Assange is holding the real smoking gun until later.

Agree, it's mostly embarrassing stuff and confirmation of what everybody already knew.  The Clinton camp and the media are one in the same. 




At this point I would not be surprised at what all comes out. Presumably Pondesta received numerous emails from Clinton.....and eventually some of those 33,000 deleted emails will surface as unequivocal proof she destroyed government records.
2016-10-12 10:54 AM
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budget deficit over Obama's tenure:  http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/deficit-shrinks-1-trillion-obama-era

<insert disparaging comment about using MSNBC as a source>   

The whole deficit word game is a game politicians on both sides play with to show you how great they're doing.  Yes, Obama has shrunk the annual deficit since he took office, but it was off the rails back then and has continued through his tenure.  The actual debt of the nation has nearly doubled since he took office overall.

A good analogy would be this.  You were $100,000 in debt and adding an additional $10,000 per year in new debt because you couldn't get your spending under control.  Over the past 8 years you have managed to reduce your deficit spending down to only $4,000 per year but in the process you have managed to stack up $200,000 in debt overall.  Sure, $4,000 is better than $10,000 but it still sucks because you're living way outside your means and nobody on earth would say you're being fiscally sound.  Yet, we have articles like the above that only talk about how great you are because you've reduced your deficit by $6,000 so you're such a great manager of your finances.   

We as a nation are doing exactly this and unfortunately we're doing it to enrich wall street and big business through corrupt buying of politicians.  The money's not even trickling down because it's going to such a small elite few at the top.  I truthfully don't just blame Obama for this because it was a game that was being played long before he came to office and he didn't have the ability to change the system.  He ran on a "change" platform, but really just continued the status quo on the fiscal things that really mattered. 

2016-10-12 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Rogillio
Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Hook'em

Originally posted by tuwood

The Titanic continues to leak:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-12/wikileaks-releases-another-1193-emails-john-podesta-fourth-data-dump

I think I mentioned it before, but it seems like they're going to continue releasing 1200 emails or so every day.  Eventually the media will have to start covering the corruption being exposed. 

Clinton has already skirted the issues of the email server and courting foundation donors with access to the State Department.  I have yet to see anything in the several thousand emails leaked thus far to make be believe it is going to sink her ship.  Maybe Assange is holding the real smoking gun until later.

Agree, it's mostly embarrassing stuff and confirmation of what everybody already knew.  The Clinton camp and the media are one in the same. 

At this point I would not be surprised at what all comes out. Presumably Pondesta received numerous emails from Clinton.....and eventually some of those 33,000 deleted emails will surface as unequivocal proof she destroyed government records.

Wikileaks tweeted this earlier today: 
Editorial: We are now publishing on a schedule created by our new impact maximizing publishing algorithm the "Stochastic Terminator". Enjoy.

Whatever that means, but one would guess they're saving the most disparaging stuff for later in the game.  Similar to Trumps tape that came out last week.  He has almost a month to recover, but if that would have been released the week before (or even days before) the election there would have been no chance of a recovery.  I think the funny part is that everybody knows she is a criminal, but what we don't know is if anyone has evidence to prove it.  Kind of sad.

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