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make sure it has purple in it

I may wear a unicorn hat on sunday, we have several. 



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jsklarz - 2011-05-17 12:06 PM the only person worse in this world, neh, universe, than Shaun is Rudy.  I'll have my daughter draw you a glitter unicorn with butterflies, you sad sad man.

make sure it has purple in it

I may wear a unicorn hat on sunday, we have several. 

Oooh.  Haven't gotten to that point yet with my daughters.  The worst I have is a "tie" they made at school for Father's Day.

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jsklarz - 2011-05-17 12:06 PM the only person worse in this world, neh, universe, than Shaun is Rudy.  I'll have my daughter draw you a glitter unicorn with butterflies, you sad sad man.

make sure it has purple in it

I may wear a unicorn hat on sunday, we have several. 

Oooh.  Haven't gotten to that point yet with my daughters.  The worst I have is a "tie" they made at school for Father's Day.

between the ages of 3 and 6 my older daughter dressed as some variant of a unicorn.  the last being a princess riding a unicorn, i'll try and find a picture and post it.

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jsklarz - 2011-05-17 12:06 PM the only person worse in this world, neh, universe, than Shaun is Rudy.  I'll have my daughter draw you a glitter unicorn with butterflies, you sad sad man.

make sure it has purple in it

I may wear a unicorn hat on sunday, we have several. 

Oooh.  Haven't gotten to that point yet with my daughters.  The worst I have is a "tie" they made at school for Father's Day.

between the ages of 3 and 6 my older daughter dressed as some variant of a unicorn.  the last being a princess riding a unicorn, i'll try and find a picture and post it.

Was the younger one playing the role of the unicorn?

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jsklarz - 2011-05-17 12:06 PM the only person worse in this world, neh, universe, than Shaun is Rudy.  I'll have my daughter draw you a glitter unicorn with butterflies, you sad sad man.

make sure it has purple in it

I may wear a unicorn hat on sunday, we have several. 

Oooh.  Haven't gotten to that point yet with my daughters.  The worst I have is a "tie" they made at school for Father's Day.

between the ages of 3 and 6 my older daughter dressed as some variant of a unicorn.  the last being a princess riding a unicorn, i'll try and find a picture and post it.

My oldest is obsessed with the movie Tangled.  Wants to let her hair grow to the ground.  Ugh.

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So today has been quite the tangent. 

I'm trying to focus at work this afternoon, do some hard riding tonight and going to try to actually sleep tonight.  When my training volume gets high, I actually have a really hard time sleeping (I pass out immeadiately but then wake up anywhere from 10 - 20 times in the night).  I take melatonin and I try to have good sleep behaviors (e.g. not doing work in bed) but its a real struggle for me.  Sleep is super important for recovery, so it stresses me out a little when I know I'm not sleeping well.

Anyone else have trouble sleeping?  Any suggestions?



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I don't have trouble sleeping but my friends who do swear by this.  Supposedly doesn't help you go to sleep, but helps you stay asleep once you do.

 

http://sportsnutritiononline.com/nocturnabol-deep-sleep.html

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kaburns1214 - 2011-05-17 1:57 PM

So today has been quite the tangent. 

I'm trying to focus at work this afternoon, do some hard riding tonight and going to try to actually sleep tonight.  When my training volume gets high, I actually have a really hard time sleeping (I pass out immeadiately but then wake up anywhere from 10 - 20 times in the night).  I take melatonin and I try to have good sleep behaviors (e.g. not doing work in bed) but its a real struggle for me.  Sleep is super important for recovery, so it stresses me out a little when I know I'm not sleeping well.

Anyone else have trouble sleeping?  Any suggestions?

have you ever been tested for sleep apnea??

i use a CPAP machine and when i forget it or sleep away from home without it i can tell for a day or two, my body does not rest or recuperate.

Like i did not have it Saturday, so besides being hungover, i slept like crap that night and am still paying for it. I got rested last night, but missed a swim last night due to being tooo tired, i may not listen to alot of things said,but i do listen to my body.

 

 

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jsklarz - 2011-05-17 12:06 PM the only person worse in this world, neh, universe, than Shaun is Rudy.  I'll have my daughter draw you a glitter unicorn with butterflies, you sad sad man.

make sure it has purple in it

I may wear a unicorn hat on sunday, we have several. 

Oooh.  Haven't gotten to that point yet with my daughters.  The worst I have is a "tie" they made at school for Father's Day.

between the ages of 3 and 6 my older daughter dressed as some variant of a unicorn.  the last being a princess riding a unicorn, i'll try and find a picture and post it.

My oldest is obsessed with the movie Tangled.  Wants to let her hair grow to the ground.  Ugh.

My 6 year old thinks he's a Pirate, and dragging his three year old brother along with him. Before long, we'll be buying our kids Tri bikes, and having to pay the expensive fees that go along with it.  I'll take the $10 pirate swords for now!!

2011-05-17 2:28 PM
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I agree with race rules, I guess, but then direct the comments where they should be directed --- at the race directors or organization.  Don't ruin someone's day and tell them they aren't really a triathlete, or didn't accomplish something, when the RACE said they did by allowing them to finish.

Not really fair to the athlete . . . as if someone who can go forward is going to yank themselves out of the race because they noticed they didn't hit cutoffs.

 

2011-05-17 2:36 PM
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kaburns1214 - 2011-05-17 1:57 PM

So today has been quite the tangent. 

I'm trying to focus at work this afternoon, do some hard riding tonight and going to try to actually sleep tonight.  When my training volume gets high, I actually have a really hard time sleeping (I pass out immeadiately but then wake up anywhere from 10 - 20 times in the night).  I take melatonin and I try to have good sleep behaviors (e.g. not doing work in bed) but its a real struggle for me.  Sleep is super important for recovery, so it stresses me out a little when I know I'm not sleeping well.

Anyone else have trouble sleeping?  Any suggestions?

Wait till you have kids! 20 times a night will seem like nothing.  Last night the 3 year old coughed in my face for 1/2 the night (that was after wetting her bed).

Training before bed and then keeling over in exhaustion is a receipe for a bad night's sleep.  you should try and stay up for at least an hour or 2 or so to let your body tempurature come down and relax.  I often have to WO at night and i will usually stretch, take a long hot shower and then have my cottage cheese and beer recovery snack (carbs and protein baby). 

do you generally have trouble sleeping or just when training a lot?  SLeep trouble during training can be a over training/stress sign.  remember, you not only train 20+ hours a week but work in a high stress environment.  you have a lot of cortisol running through your body, which suppresses deep sleep.   

Rudy could also be onto something.



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jsklarz - 2011-05-17 12:06 PM the only person worse in this world, neh, universe, than Shaun is Rudy.  I'll have my daughter draw you a glitter unicorn with butterflies, you sad sad man.

make sure it has purple in it

I may wear a unicorn hat on sunday, we have several. 

Oooh.  Haven't gotten to that point yet with my daughters.  The worst I have is a "tie" they made at school for Father's Day.

between the ages of 3 and 6 my older daughter dressed as some variant of a unicorn.  the last being a princess riding a unicorn, i'll try and find a picture and post it.

My oldest is obsessed with the movie Tangled.  Wants to let her hair grow to the ground.  Ugh.

My 6 year old thinks he's a Pirate, and dragging his three year old brother along with him. Before long, we'll be buying our kids Tri bikes, and having to pay the expensive fees that go along with it.  I'll take the $10 pirate swords for now!!

both of my daughters have created Rapunzel hair. the 3 year old is a blonde and goads the 7 year old by telling her she shouldn't wear Rapunzel hair because "your hair is brown".

2011-05-17 2:47 PM
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carrie639 - 2011-05-17 3:28 PM

I agree with race rules, I guess, but then direct the comments where they should be directed --- at the race directors or organization.  Don't ruin someone's day and tell them they aren't really a triathlete, or didn't accomplish something, when the RACE said they did by allowing them to finish.

Not really fair to the athlete . . . as if someone who can go forward is going to yank themselves out of the race because they noticed they didn't hit cutoffs.

 

I agree that once you're out there you don't want to pull yourself out if you think you can go on (its a little crazy when you see WTC physically pull people off the course who are not going to make the cutoffs especailly when they're less than a mile from the finish) and its a whole different can of worms with regard to how and when races enforce certain rules (give WTC credit, they're consistent about enforcing cutoffs no matter what). 

I almost think triathlon should be like golf, you call your own penalties (and keep it gentlemanly).  With lots of USAT rules (I'm thinking blocking, drafting and outside assistance in particular) people will do it so long as they can get away with it (even though things like that not only improve your race but can adversely affect someone else's).  I've essentially been told that if I want to KQ at IMFL I need to draft, its crappy to think that you "need" to cheat in order to achieve a goal in that particular situation.

 

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carrie639 - 2011-05-17 3:28 PM

I agree with race rules, I guess, but then direct the comments where they should be directed --- at the race directors or organization.  Don't ruin someone's day and tell them they aren't really a triathlete, or didn't accomplish something, when the RACE said they did by allowing them to finish.

Not really fair to the athlete . . . as if someone who can go forward is going to yank themselves out of the race because they noticed they didn't hit cutoffs.

This is the same situation played out a couple years ago in the much more aggressive venue of Ironman Louisville.

Due to the structure of the time trial start, WTC held the finish line open until 17 hours after the final swimmer started.  That resulted in the clock time continuing on until roughly 17:45, instead of the customary 17 hours flat.

What you ended up with were a distinct set of competitors who finished with a time in excess of 17 hours who were given the opportunity to go through the finish line, be handed a tshirt and medal and be perceived as having finished an Ironman.  When, in fact, they did not meet the very well stated rule of finishing by 17 hours.

But for the fact that the finish line was held open to give the final swimmer the full 17 hours, that person would have not finished and would not be considered an official finisher.

This is the same situation.  If nothing else, continuing beyond the cutoff places an asterisk on the result.

ETA:  (to the credit of WTC, in following years they changed it to be that the clock ended at midnight, period.  if you thought you needed closer to 17 hours, then you better wake up early and be one of the first ones into the water.)

There comes a point when each athlete must look in the mirror and say "can I really do this?"  The answer to that question is born out of the training that athlete has done and the paces and speeds of training.  If the answer is plainly obvious that there is not a reasonable expectation of meeting the cutoffs, at a minimum, then it is the obligation of the athlete not to toe the start line.

When an athlete starts a race with no reasonable expectation of finishing within the parameters of the event, that athletes shows no respect for the race, no respect for the race organizers, no respect for the other athletes who are on the course on that day and no respect for the number of athletes who decided against starting because they knew they couldn't finish in the allotted time.



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CubeFarmGopher - 2011-05-17 3:02 PM

This is the same situation played out a couple years ago in the much more aggressive venue of Ironman Louisville.

Due to the structure of the time trial start, WTC held the finish line open until 17 hours after the final swimmer started.  That resulted in the clock time continuing on until roughly 17:45, instead of the customary 17 hours flat.

What you ended up with were a distinct set of competitors who finished with a time in excess of 17 hours who were given the opportunity to go through the finish line, be handed a tshirt and medal and be perceived as having finished an Ironman.  When, in fact, they did not meet the very well stated rule of finishing by 17 hours.

But for the fact that the finish line was held open to give the final swimmer the full 17 hours, that person would have not finished and would not be considered an official finisher.

This is the same situation.  If nothing else, continuing beyond the cutoff places an asterisk on the result.

ETA:  (to the credit of WTC, in following years they changed it to be that the clock ended at midnight, period.  if you thought you needed closer to 17 hours, then you better wake up early and be one of the first ones into the water.)

There comes a point when each athlete must look in the mirror and say "can I really do this?"  The answer to that question is born out of the training that athlete has done and the paces and speeds of training.  If the answer is plainly obvious that there is not a reasonable expectation of meeting the cutoffs, at a minimum, then it is the obligation of the athlete not to toe the start line.

When an athlete starts a race with no reasonable expectation of finishing within the parameters of the event, that athletes shows no respect for the race, no respect for the race organizers, no respect for the other athletes who are on the course on that day and no respect for the number of athletes who decided against starting because they knew they couldn't finish in the allotted time.

Can't put into words how much I agree with this.  I grew up in a sport, baseball, that was all about honoring the sport and if you didn't you ended up with a fastball in your ear hole.  In a sport, like triathlon, that is largely a competition with ones self at our level there isn't a ton you can do to disrespect the sport if you stay within the rules, but entering a race you have no business being in happens to be one of those things IMO.  Not everyone will agree with me and that's totally fine, but just because you can pay the entry fee doesn't mean you should.

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carrie639 - 2011-05-17 3:28 PM

I agree with race rules, I guess, but then direct the comments where they should be directed --- at the race directors or organization.  Don't ruin someone's day and tell them they aren't really a triathlete, or didn't accomplish something, when the RACE said they did by allowing them to finish.

Not really fair to the athlete . . . as if someone who can go forward is going to yank themselves out of the race because they noticed they didn't hit cutoffs.

 

2 issues: (1)  TNT often gets special rules for their athletes that permit them to have "official times" even when they finish after the cutoffs so GoofeyGirl likely did nothing improperly and the RD likely played by the rules TNT obtained for their athletes and (2) again, i distinguish between unprepared and undertrained.  A 4+ hour oly requires long stops on all three segments.  Racing undertrained is fine, racing unprepared can lead to big problems.



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Had it all figured out how I was going to go hang out at IMTX on Saturday and then the wife just called and said a friend's daughter has a dance recital Saturday and I WILL BE ATTENDING.  Yell

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Had it all figured out how I was going to go hang out at IMTX on Saturday and then the wife just called and said a friend's daughter has a dance recital Saturday and I WILL BE ATTENDING.  Yell

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

We'll be at my little brother's HS graduation when the race goes on sale -- I making Shaun figure out how to use the iPhone active.com app so I can register (from church -- its a Catholic school)

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Had it all figured out how I was going to go hang out at IMTX on Saturday and then the wife just called and said a friend's daughter has a dance recital Saturday and I WILL BE ATTENDING.  Yell

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

We'll be at my little brother's HS graduation when the race goes on sale -- I making Shaun figure out how to use the iPhone active.com app so I can register (from church -- its a Catholic school)

 

Bummer, sometimes i get more enjoyment out of cheering and spectating than i do racing. It is nice to be at a Tri but not hurting!!!

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Had it all figured out how I was going to go hang out at IMTX on Saturday and then the wife just called and said a friend's daughter has a dance recital Saturday and I WILL BE ATTENDING.  Yell

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

We'll be at my little brother's HS graduation when the race goes on sale -- I making Shaun figure out how to use the iPhone active.com app so I can register (from church -- its a Catholic school)

 

WHAT???  you are not letting Shaun ride the Bloomin' with Jeff-y and I????

crimney sakes.........

 



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CubeFarmGopher - 2011-05-17 3:02 PM

This is the same situation played out a couple years ago in the much more aggressive venue of Ironman Louisville.

Due to the structure of the time trial start, WTC held the finish line open until 17 hours after the final swimmer started.  That resulted in the clock time continuing on until roughly 17:45, instead of the customary 17 hours flat.

What you ended up with were a distinct set of competitors who finished with a time in excess of 17 hours who were given the opportunity to go through the finish line, be handed a tshirt and medal and be perceived as having finished an Ironman.  When, in fact, they did not meet the very well stated rule of finishing by 17 hours.

But for the fact that the finish line was held open to give the final swimmer the full 17 hours, that person would have not finished and would not be considered an official finisher.

This is the same situation.  If nothing else, continuing beyond the cutoff places an asterisk on the result.

ETA:  (to the credit of WTC, in following years they changed it to be that the clock ended at midnight, period.  if you thought you needed closer to 17 hours, then you better wake up early and be one of the first ones into the water.)

There comes a point when each athlete must look in the mirror and say "can I really do this?"  The answer to that question is born out of the training that athlete has done and the paces and speeds of training.  If the answer is plainly obvious that there is not a reasonable expectation of meeting the cutoffs, at a minimum, then it is the obligation of the athlete not to toe the start line.

When an athlete starts a race with no reasonable expectation of finishing within the parameters of the event, that athletes shows no respect for the race, no respect for the race organizers, no respect for the other athletes who are on the course on that day and no respect for the number of athletes who decided against starting because they knew they couldn't finish in the allotted time.

Can't put into words how much I agree with this.  I grew up in a sport, baseball, that was all about honoring the sport and if you didn't you ended up with a fastball in your ear hole.  In a sport, like triathlon, that is largely a competition with ones self at our level there isn't a ton you can do to disrespect the sport if you stay within the rules, but entering a race you have no business being in happens to be one of those things IMO.  Not everyone will agree with me and that's totally fine, but just because you can pay the entry fee doesn't mean you should.

there is a fine line between pushing yourself to the edge and falling off the cliff. 

For me, June 5th is that day.  could be a great accomplishment could be a DNF, dont know.  But I know I'll finish within the time limits (barring accident or injury) and that is the difference between whether to start a race or not, IMO 

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uhcoog - 2011-05-17 4:38 PM

Had it all figured out how I was going to go hang out at IMTX on Saturday and then the wife just called and said a friend's daughter has a dance recital Saturday and I WILL BE ATTENDING.  Yell

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

We'll be at my little brother's HS graduation when the race goes on sale -- I making Shaun figure out how to use the iPhone active.com app so I can register (from church -- its a Catholic school)

 

WHAT???  you are not letting Shaun ride the Bloomin' with Jeff-y and I????

crimney sakes.........

 

Shaun has to put on a suit and going to Matt's graduation (kind of like Scott has to go to a dance recital).

We can all ride the Rev 3 course on Saturday (either 5/21 or 5/28).

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jsklarz - 2011-05-17 3:47 PM

there is a fine line between pushing yourself to the edge and falling off the cliff. 

For me, June 5th is that day.  could be a great accomplishment could be a DNF, dont know.  But I know I'll finish within the time limits (barring accident or injury) and that is the difference between whether to start a race or not, IMO 

At least you'll be toeing the line.  GG wasn't within sight of it.  Just sayin.

 

Kelly I'm really not sure this one is going to sell out super quick.  90+ degree weather and 70% humidity isn't really the formula for you northern folks to flourish if ya know what I'm sayin.  All you carpetbaggers coming in and stealing our Kona spots isn't cool anyway.

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uhcoog - 2011-05-17 4:38 PM

Had it all figured out how I was going to go hang out at IMTX on Saturday and then the wife just called and said a friend's daughter has a dance recital Saturday and I WILL BE ATTENDING.  Yell

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

We'll be at my little brother's HS graduation when the race goes on sale -- I making Shaun figure out how to use the iPhone active.com app so I can register (from church -- its a Catholic school)

 

WHAT???  you are not letting Shaun ride the Bloomin' with Jeff-y and I????

crimney sakes.........

 

Shaun has to put on a suit and going to Matt's graduation (kind of like Scott has to go to a dance recital).

We can all ride the Rev 3 course on Saturday (either 5/21 or 5/28).

5/28 for sure but it will have to be the afternoon as I have little league int eh morning, not goign to ride 60 miles the day before riding 70 and running.  that would be a little much to ask of the wife.

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