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 2010-05-03 3:13 PM in reply to: #2770346 |
Extreme Veteran  756    Mexico! |  Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!!hey. back from a one week computerless week. lots of cathcing up to do. |
| 2010-05-03 4:46 PM in reply to: #2833310 |
Expert 1146 Chugiak, Alaska | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! tri808 - 2010-05-03 11:18 AM glad you were ok...ticket or not...hopefully the driver learned that he needs to be aware of cyclists and pedestrans on the road . x2 - glad you are ok! My husband keeps track of the cars that run him off the road and is always on the lookout for them - don't know what he would do if he found one  ! |
| 2010-05-03 8:21 PM in reply to: #2770346 |
Expert 1146 Chugiak, Alaska | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! Finally got my avatar up and running. I was holding off until I had a really cool one of me racing, but I will have to wait a little longer since the batteries were shot last weekend during the 5k. I guess my kids are almost as cool...just kidding they are much cooler! |
| 2010-05-04 6:24 AM in reply to: #2770346 |
| Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! Thomas, glad you are OK.
This morning I made my first swim session after reading your help posts. After I did a 300 m warm-up, I did 300 m drills (I tried counting to 3, I must try some more of them). Then 10x100 m@2:05, 4x100 m @2:00, 4x100@1:55-2:00 (tried to do 1:55 but could not keep pace). I used my watch but did not let myself be upset looking at it. After these I did short and fast intervals as you suggested. It was a fresh breath indeed (although the sets are designed by Satan). Just a quick question: I did 4x25 meters, leaving every 1 minute. I found out that I can finish 25 meters in 23-24 seconds, so that means 36-37 seconds rest. After 4 of them, I tried leaving every 40 seconds. I did 4 more like this. My 25 m times did not change although it certainly felt harder. How much rest should I use for 25 meter fast intervals? |
| 2010-05-04 12:46 PM in reply to: #2835180 |
Pro 3804 Seacoast, NH! | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! RogerWilco - 2010-05-04 7:24 AM Thomas, glad you are OK.
This morning I made my first swim session after reading your help posts. After I did a 300 m warm-up, I did 300 m drills (I tried counting to 3, I must try some more of them). Then 10x100 m@2:05, 4x100 m @2:00, 4x100@1:55-2:00 (tried to do 1:55 but could not keep pace). I used my watch but did not let myself be upset looking at it. After these I did short and fast intervals as you suggested. It was a fresh breath indeed (although the sets are designed by Satan). Just a quick question: I did 4x25 meters, leaving every 1 minute. I found out that I can finish 25 meters in 23-24 seconds, so that means 36-37 seconds rest. After 4 of them, I tried leaving every 40 seconds. I did 4 more like this. My 25 m times did not change although it certainly felt harder. How much rest should I use for 25 meter fast intervals? Nice work Wilco. I like to put a level of effort (LOE) on everything. What LOE are you using for those 25m? I'm assuming pretty high because if you continued at that pace you'd be around the 1:40 for 100m, which is faster than your 1:55 pace. If it's around 85%, I'd try to do your 25's with 10s rest. Like I said before, just go with 85% effort and when you get to the wall, count to ten and go. IMO, going on the 1:00 or 2:00, works really well when you have a huge group of people all doing the same workout. This also tells me that you are losing form when you get tired. Really concentrate on keeping your form. It may fall apart a little bit, so when you are doing your fast sets, don't sacrifice time just to keep it all perfectly together, but for your longer sets, DEFINITELY focus on form. I found that the combination of the two made me faster. |
| 2010-05-04 12:49 PM in reply to: #2834762 |
Pro 3804 Seacoast, NH! | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! robingray_260 - 2010-05-03 9:21 PM Finally got my avatar up and running. I was holding off until I had a really cool one of me racing, but I will have to wait a little longer since the batteries were shot last weekend during the 5k. I guess my kids are almost as cool...just kidding they are much cooler! Beautiful family! |
| 2010-05-04 12:53 PM in reply to: #2835180 |
Extreme Veteran 330 Addison | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! RogerWilco - 2010-05-04 6:24 AM Thomas, glad you are OK.
This morning I made my first swim session after reading your help posts. After I did a 300 m warm-up, I did 300 m drills (I tried counting to 3, I must try some more of them). Then 10x100 m@2:05, 4x100 m @2:00, 4x100@1:55-2:00 (tried to do 1:55 but could not keep pace). I used my watch but did not let myself be upset looking at it. After these I did short and fast intervals as you suggested. It was a fresh breath indeed (although the sets are designed by Satan). Just a quick question: I did 4x25 meters, leaving every 1 minute. I found out that I can finish 25 meters in 23-24 seconds, so that means 36-37 seconds rest. After 4 of them, I tried leaving every 40 seconds. I did 4 more like this. My 25 m times did not change although it certainly felt harder. How much rest should I use for 25 meter fast intervals? Nice job! Yeah, don't let time upset you. Your speed will increase, it just takes time (no pun intended!  ) Yes, your 25m will feel much harder if you went from pushing off 1 minute to 40s even though your times don't change. Amazing what a few seconds knocked off your rest can do to you. You could start off on a minute and subtract 5 seconds from your interval time. 3 x 25 on 1:00 3 x 25 on :55 3 x 25 on :50 3 x 25 on :45 3 x 25 on :40 3 x 25 on :35 3 x 25 on :30 Something along those lines. On 25m you can give yourself lots of rest 40s to 1 min...BUT that 25m should be an all out sprint. Keep it up, and if you have any leftover swim mojo send some my way!  I haven't made it to master's practice in 2 wks. If I get up in time and make it to practice, I'm going to get slaughtered tomorrow.....eeek. |
| 2010-05-04 1:44 PM in reply to: #2836213 |
Expert 1146 Chugiak, Alaska | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! jgerbodegrant - 2010-05-04 12:49 PM robingray_260 - 2010-05-03 9:21 PM Finally got my avatar up and running. I was holding off until I had a really cool one of me racing, but I will have to wait a little longer since the batteries were shot last weekend during the 5k. I guess my kids are almost as cool...just kidding they are much cooler! Beautiful family! Thanks! |
| 2010-05-04 1:49 PM in reply to: #2836230 |
Expert 1146 Chugiak, Alaska | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! tnguyen1 - 2010-05-04 12:53 PM RogerWilco - 2010-05-04 6:24 AM Thomas, glad you are OK.
This morning I made my first swim session after reading your help posts. After I did a 300 m warm-up, I did 300 m drills (I tried counting to 3, I must try some more of them). Then 10x100 m@2:05, 4x100 m @2:00, 4x100@1:55-2:00 (tried to do 1:55 but could not keep pace). I used my watch but did not let myself be upset looking at it. After these I did short and fast intervals as you suggested. It was a fresh breath indeed (although the sets are designed by Satan). Just a quick question: I did 4x25 meters, leaving every 1 minute. I found out that I can finish 25 meters in 23-24 seconds, so that means 36-37 seconds rest. After 4 of them, I tried leaving every 40 seconds. I did 4 more like this. My 25 m times did not change although it certainly felt harder. How much rest should I use for 25 meter fast intervals? Nice job! Yeah, don't let time upset you. Your speed will increase, it just takes time (no pun intended! ) Yes, your 25m will feel much harder if you went from pushing off 1 minute to 40s even though your times don't change. Amazing what a few seconds knocked off your rest can do to you. You could start off on a minute and subtract 5 seconds from your interval time. 3 x 25 on 1:00 3 x 25 on :55 3 x 25 on :50 3 x 25 on :45 3 x 25 on :40 3 x 25 on :35 3 x 25 on :30 Something along those lines. On 25m you can give yourself lots of rest 40s to 1 min...BUT that 25m should be an all out sprint. Keep it up, and if you have any leftover swim mojo send some my way! I haven't made it to master's practice in 2 wks. If I get up in time and make it to practice, I'm going to get slaughtered tomorrow.....eeek.Yep, both suggestion are right on! And the faster sprints do work! I have been mixing up my swim workouts now for about 2 months w/ lots of short fast speed work and have dropped 10-15 seconds off of my 500 practice times. Did 3x500's today and all were 8:00 minutes and under. |
| 2010-05-04 2:03 PM in reply to: #2833932 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! tri808 - 2010-05-03 1:32 PM As far as tapering...assuming a hard training cycle...how much do you taper for your triathlons. Thomas, glad you are ok, that is never fun. Also goes to show, regardless of who is wrong, the car is going to win, its a lot bigger than you are. On the shorter stuff like 25s, i leave a decent amount of rest and use them as speed only work (ie more neoromuscular and less aerobic work). For me, sprints normally get a bit easier the 4 days before, maybe a bit less. day off or very easy two days out, short workout the day before ( i always try to keep the day offtwo days out as the next day back often sucks a bit). HIM tends to get a week ish taper if mid season, 10 days if at the end and i have nothing to train for after. slowly reduce volume, and get some shorter quick workouts in to keep the legs feeling sharp. My taper for next weekend has started, easy swim and then a 6 mile tempo run yesterday at goal pace (just under 7 min miles), and a harder swim today of long pulls and a 200yrd test, came in right at 2:18, so not as far off as i thought i was right now. Followed that with a quick progression run, 1 mi wamr up, 1 mile at half mary pace (6:15), 1 mile at 10k pace (5:50 ), and 1 mile at 5k pace (5:30). legs feel great and it was easy and smooth. feeling good and looking forward to this weekend:-) |
| 2010-05-04 2:04 PM in reply to: #2836438 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! another type of swim workout that helps a lot, and if you are falling off the pace will help keep form together, is a long set of 50s, something like 20-40x50 on about 20-40 sec os rest. keep the fastest ave you can for all of them without a drop off. |
| 2010-05-04 4:37 PM in reply to: #2770346 |
| Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! What are your opinions on using something like a flash point 60mm deep carbon rear wheel for training purposes. I know carbon wheels are meant for racing...but would it break down faster if I used it for training as well? |
| 2010-05-04 4:45 PM in reply to: #2770346 |
| Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! hmmm...read a few forums on carbon strength and lifespan...and it's quite scary. I think I'll just stick with the PT aluminum training wheel. If I'm not as aero for one race a year...so be it... |
| 2010-05-04 7:40 PM in reply to: #2836866 |
| Expert 950 Ann Arbor | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! tri808 - 2010-05-04 5:37 PM What are your opinions on using something like a flash point 60mm deep carbon rear wheel for training purposes. I know carbon wheels are meant for racing...but would it break down faster if I used it for training as well? I was just looking at PTs last night and almost had a heart attack when I saw the price on the crank ones. I'm curious to know whether or not the Quarq cranks wear out at the same rate as other cranks. 21mile/3.1mile brick today. The ride was at a tempo pace and the run was easily aerobic. Both of my achilles are a little tender right now. I thought that my right one was under control but I guess not. It's kind of worrisome, but I'm just going to attribute it to a good workout since I don't log that many miles. Keep up the good work guys! |
| 2010-05-04 8:03 PM in reply to: #2770346 |
| Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! As far as the quarq...I believe you can still change the chainrings...but you might have to send it back to the manufacturer to get it recalibrated. |
| 2010-05-04 8:12 PM in reply to: #2770346 |
| Expert 950 Ann Arbor | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! I was thinking about investing in one for next year. I liked the idea better than a powertap devoted to a single wheel so that I could swap wheelsets while still having a powermeter on the crank. After finding out the price, I soon dismissed that dream. Maybe in the future, I'll invest in a powertap wheel, but as of now if I wanted to make an investment of that price, I think that I would see more gains hiring a coach for a few months. My trouble with parting with money is stronger that my gadget hunger. |
| 2010-05-04 9:46 PM in reply to: #2837256 |
| Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! carlwithac - 2010-05-04 4:12 PM I was thinking about investing in one for next year. I liked the idea better than a powertap devoted to a single wheel so that I could swap wheelsets while still having a powermeter on the crank. After finding out the price, I soon dismissed that dream. Maybe in the future, I'll invest in a powertap wheel, but as of now if I wanted to make an investment of that price, I think that I would see more gains hiring a coach for a few months. My trouble with parting with money is stronger that my gadget hunger. There's another product coming out that was mentioned in a thread last week about a power meter that connects to your pedal. Not sure how much it will cost, but it makes it pretty much compatible with any bike so long as you have a pedal wrench. The downside I can think of right away is durability. Your pedals are far more likely to get banged up in a wreck or fall than your rear hub or your crank. |
| 2010-05-04 10:27 PM in reply to: #2770346 |
| Expert 950 Ann Arbor | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! Wow! I'm excited to hear more about this. That is true, it would get pretty banged up just by normal wear and tear. I think it would sell even better than the current powertap products because it would definitely be easier to install for those athletes that aren't too comfortable wrenching on their hubs or cranks. It also seems like it would eliminate the huge compatibility issues that govern current PT products. |
| 2010-05-04 11:06 PM in reply to: #2836876 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! tri808 - 2010-05-04 3:45 PM hmmm...read a few forums on carbon strength and lifespan...and it's quite scary. I think I'll just stick with the PT aluminum training wheel. If I'm not as aero for one race a year...so be it... the FP wheels are fine to train on, as is the jet series by HED. |
| 2010-05-04 11:07 PM in reply to: #2837418 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! tri808 - 2010-05-04 8:46 PM carlwithac - 2010-05-04 4:12 PM I was thinking about investing in one for next year. I liked the idea better than a powertap devoted to a single wheel so that I could swap wheelsets while still having a powermeter on the crank. After finding out the price, I soon dismissed that dream. Maybe in the future, I'll invest in a powertap wheel, but as of now if I wanted to make an investment of that price, I think that I would see more gains hiring a coach for a few months. My trouble with parting with money is stronger that my gadget hunger. There's another product coming out that was mentioned in a thread last week about a power meter that connects to your pedal. Not sure how much it will cost, but it makes it pretty much compatible with any bike so long as you have a pedal wrench. The downside I can think of right away is durability. Your pedals are far more likely to get banged up in a wreck or fall than your rear hub or your crank. as i know it right now, its scheduled to come out in mass production next year at about hte cost or just over of the PT. agreed on thinking about a coach as a wise use of your cash |
| 2010-05-04 11:21 PM in reply to: #2770346 |
Expert 1151 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! Robin-love the avatar. I'm also waiting till I have a good race photo of me to post my picture. Should have one in 2 weeks after my 1st tri. Thomas- sorry about your bad experience, glad you're ok. So, my race's website posted the bike course for my race. I'm really lucky because this tri is literally right in my neighborhood, so I've riden a lot of these roads already. I wanted to ride the whole course Monday after work, but decided against it (after driving it in my car) due to the fact that there is a section of the course that is on a busy, high speed road, with construction, that requires me to make a left hand turn. No thanks, I prefer to live to see this tri. So I rode half the course & figure I'll ride the other half later in the week (in order to avoid this scary turn). That way, I'll at least get a feel for the whole course without putting myself in danger (I'm not gonna kid myself-I'm not an experienced enough rider to deal with that turn with all that traffic & construction) Question: What bike trainers do you like? I don't need anything fancy or $$, just a basic one that's fairly quiet. I need to start biking more & can fit this in at night after my kids are asleep. Give me some names. Thanks. |
| 2010-05-05 12:45 AM in reply to: #2837512 |
| Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! newbz - 2010-05-04 7:07 PM [as i know it right now, its scheduled to come out in mass production next year at about hte cost or just over of the PT. agreed on thinking about a coach as a wise use of your cash I had to chuckle...while good advice...it's also sounds like another "shameless plug" |
| 2010-05-05 12:58 AM in reply to: #2770346 |
| Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! I got the cycleops fluid 2. It's a solid trainer...very smooth and quiet. My pedals and gearing make all the noise...not the wheel or trainer itself. However...they made the flywheel a lot heavier in the newer models. I suppose this is good for experienced riders...but I think a beginner who can't maintain a 15 mph avg on a flat road over 20 miles will struggle even in the easiest gears. For me...I can barely maintain a 15-16 mph avg while on this trainer...and thats with a avg HR of 150. And I can normally maintain 18-20 mph on the open road with HR closer to 130. Others who have the same trainer have agreed with me...and others have not...saying it felt just like real road conditions...so don't take my word as truth. I tried the magneto trainer at a LBS during fitting...and I could go 20 mph with similar effort on the road. But I know the magnetic trainers have adjustable resistance. I also ended up getting a rear wheel setup and trainer tire. My road tire got eaten up after one session on the trainer...I think it was a low quality tire and couldn't dissipate the heat...the trainer tire works fine for me now. All in all, I love my trainer...it seems like it will last forever, and it will never get too easy...no matter how strong I get. |
| 2010-05-05 1:23 AM in reply to: #2837596 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! tri808 - 2010-05-04 11:45 PM newbz - 2010-05-04 7:07 PM [as i know it right now, its scheduled to come out in mass production next year at about hte cost or just over of the PT. agreed on thinking about a coach as a wise use of your cash I had to chuckle...while good advice...it's also sounds like another "shameless plug" haha, not this time;-) If someone is looking for a coach, and comes to me/asks me for advice, i'll let them know what i offer, but i also have no issues directing them/helping them find what they are looking for in someone else. I think if you are the type that is self motivated/knows how to structure workouts, a PM is an awesome tool, but for someone that doen't know what to do with it/doesn't want to spend the time, and can only afford one, a good coach, even for just a season, can very much get you on the right track, and if you take advantage of the coach you'll learn a TON that will serve you well in the years to come, not just in the getting faster now. I know for me, a lot of what i know/do with myself, and my athletes (both the rowers and triathletes) is a combination of my own training and what i have learned (both good and bad), from my coaches in the past. for a cheap, good trainer, i prefer the blackburn trackstand. cheap, solid, pretty quiet, and works very well. that said, i HATE trainers and no longer own one. cannot stand riding inside, and it makes me hate my bike. |
| 2010-05-05 3:08 AM in reply to: #2770346 |
| Subject: RE: Newbz'z summer mentor group is FULL!!!! you know I was just poking fun right...=) |
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