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2012-02-23 9:19 AM
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MANDOWN - 2012-02-21 6:47 PM

I need some advice on what to do about an upcomming race, Ive signed up for a sprint race on the 10th of March, then I have the first half marathon the very next weekend that Ive signed up for. Im doing the Hal Higdon training program and Im scheduled to run a 10 mile run the same weekend as the sprint, the 10 mile run would be the longest run Ive ever done....Should i do the sprint and when Im done get some more miles in later that day...I really think its important to get that 10 miles in...

 

 

I guess it depends what your "more" important race is. If your doing the sprint for time then go for it in the sprint and a few hrs later do your run.  If your 1/2 is more important then hammer the swim/bike and relax on the run (pretty short so should be easy).  

Either way its not an ideal situation if your low on your mileage so don't do anything to hurt yourself.



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DaveL - 2012-02-22 9:08 AM

I almost feel guilty posting here now I have been MIA so much. I would do the sprint, cross the line then keep going until you hit 10miles. Last year I rode my bike to a sprint (only 8km) did the race, biked home then did a 5km run. From a pure "training" perspective I cant say that it is truly benificial but it did give me a good idea of what it was like to run and continue to run after feeling that my body was wasted. It was a good mental work out.

 

 

I like your style!! lol  I have done that before but without know someones fitness I can't give that advice!   Your always welcome to post.  How is your new kayak working for you?

2012-02-23 12:36 PM
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The one thing that I noticed that is kind of strange is that you are doing your longest run 1 week out from your race.  I would think you would be tapering for your race 1 week out.  With that in mind I would be very careful about pushing too hard at the sprint then running the longest distance you have ever run - especially with your race the next weekend.

If it were me I would do your 10 miler either the weekend before of maybe during the week before the sprint.  Then race the sprint at a decent effort and call it a day.  In my opinion with your longest run one week out the 10 miler is more of a mental goal- if you can run 10 then you can run 13.  Killing yourself over getting that 10 and the sprint in the same day is not gonna make or break your 1/2 Mary race.  But then again I have no idea how your 1/2 marathon training program is set up.  What does he have you doing the 6 days after the 10 miler?

MANDOWN - 2012-02-21 5:47 PM

I need some advice on what to do about an upcomming race, Ive signed up for a sprint race on the 10th of March, then I have the first half marathon the very next weekend that Ive signed up for. Im doing the Hal Higdon training program and Im scheduled to run a 10 mile run the same weekend as the sprint, the 10 mile run would be the longest run Ive ever done....Should i do the sprint and when Im done get some more miles in later that day...I really think its important to get that 10 miles in...

 

 

2012-02-23 12:38 PM
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1/2 way through with week 2 training and I am tired ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Its gonna be a long summer.
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tmoran80 - 2012-02-23 12:36 PM

The one thing that I noticed that is kind of strange is that you are doing your longest run 1 week out from your race.  I would think you would be tapering for your race 1 week out.  With that in mind I would be very careful about pushing too hard at the sprint then running the longest distance you have ever run - especially with your race the next weekend.

If it were me I would do your 10 miler either the weekend before of maybe during the week before the sprint.  Then race the sprint at a decent effort and call it a day.  In my opinion with your longest run one week out the 10 miler is more of a mental goal- if you can run 10 then you can run 13.  Killing yourself over getting that 10 and the sprint in the same day is not gonna make or break your 1/2 Mary race.  But then again I have no idea how your 1/2 marathon training program is set up.  What does he have you doing the 6 days after the 10 miler?

MANDOWN - 2012-02-21 5:47 PM

I need some advice on what to do about an upcomming race, Ive signed up for a sprint race on the 10th of March, then I have the first half marathon the very next weekend that Ive signed up for. Im doing the Hal Higdon training program and Im scheduled to run a 10 mile run the same weekend as the sprint, the 10 mile run would be the longest run Ive ever done....Should i do the sprint and when Im done get some more miles in later that day...I really think its important to get that 10 miles in...

 

After reading what Tim wrote I read your post more closely.  I didn't see that your half marathon is the week after your 10 miler.  Seems close to me too.  If you can move up that 10 miler as he said and do the sprint and taper, that would be a better arrangement than trying to do a 10 miles and then a half marathon in a week.  Of course, I am one of those guys who error on the side of caution on runs.  My longest for the IM was 2:30 hours.  At some point, fitness gains are so low that they are eclipsed by the concern over injury.

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razorxp - 2012-02-23 9:22 AM

 

I like your style!! lol  I have done that before but without know someones fitness I can't give that advice!   Your always welcome to post.  How is your new kayak working for you?

 

The kayak is good, outfitted well and ready for some spring expedition style trips.

My training can sometimes border on sadistic. Last summer I would commute to work once or twice per week. round trip 100miles, I did once sneak in a 5km lunch hour run but that proved to be too much. I ran 30km one morning, rode 30km then decided to make a brick of it and tacked on a 5km run on the end. Training lately has been brutal as I never really have more than an hour. Stress is through the roof and I eat when I am stressed so I have gained 10lbs. Oh well, I am starting to ramp up so hopefully that will melt off soon.

I think I will start biking to work in March, it seems like an easy way to tack on 700km per month for the next 2 months.



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Hello team!

Dave, I agree- move the ten mile run up if you can...you will have a much better race going in well rested, especially with your tri right before.

Work and school have been kicking my butt lately.  I have been very stressed out and have been starting to get sick as a result- still been trying to keep up with training, although I passed on my run yesterday to catch up on some much needed rest.  I was supposed to have Friday afternoon-Sunday off from work (which really means I can catch up on school work and my research) but now I only have Sunday, which is when I am doing a 3 hour charity ride.  Argh.  The life of an athletic trainer. Tongue out

hope everyone else is doing well with life balance and training!

 

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Just did an uncharacteristic evening run.  My body starts to shut down after 7:00 pm.  But, I forced myself to go out and run 4 easy miles with a friend.  As always, glad i did it.  Swimming at 6 am tomorrow.

Decided to to an indoor tri at the Indy YMCA this sunday morning.  20 minute swim (count laps), 25 minute bike (average watts), 20 min treadmilll run (distance).

 

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tmoran80 - 2012-02-23 12:38 PM 1/2 way through with week 2 training and I am tired ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Its gonna be a long summer.

I am glad I am not the only one.  When I started exercising people told I would gain more energy,  I must be doing it wrong.  Week 4 for me this week which is a recovery week, which worked out since I am nursing yet another cold.  

2012-02-24 9:13 AM
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tmoran80 - 2012-02-23 12:38 PM 1/2 way through with week 2 training and I am tired ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Its gonna be a long summer.

I am glad I am not the only one.  When I started exercising people told I would gain more energy,  I must be doing it wrong.  Week 4 for me this week which is a recovery week, which worked out since I am nursing yet another cold.  

 

Who ever told you that was not training for an IM! lol  I don't think I have ever met someone with more energy if they are training hard, Hence why pro's nap 2 times per day.  lol

It will get better but just get used to wanting more sleep. :-

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Haha - yeah thats the problem I already am sleep deprived - now I am double secret probation sleep deprived.  I am just trying to be in bed by 8:45 every night which is crazy for me.

I started lifting again this week.  I was really concerned about adding more hours to my training but I missed a paragraph in Finks book and he brought up a good point.  He suggests only using machines and not free weights to save time.  I was able to get my run in and then got all my lifting done in 30 minutes which was great.  Gonna try and get lifting in on Tuesdays/Fridays.  I think it will really help me not dwindle away to a stick figure.

Long day ahead of me today:

  • 4:30am - wake and head to gym
  • 5:00am - 45 minute run @ Z2
  • 5:45am - weight room for 30 min
  • 7:00-8:00am -Dentist appointment
  • 9:00 to 5:00pm work
  • 6:30pm - drive to and set up for acoustic show.
  • 7:30 -11:30pm - play acoustic show
  • 1:00am - BED!!!
  • 6:00am - up with the babyCry

 

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tmoran80 - 2012-02-23 12:38 PM 1/2 way through with week 2 training and I am tired ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Its gonna be a long summer.

I am glad I am not the only one.  When I started exercising people told I would gain more energy,  I must be doing it wrong.  Week 4 for me this week which is a recovery week, which worked out since I am nursing yet another cold.  

 

Who ever told you that was not training for an IM! lol  I don't think I have ever met someone with more energy if they are training hard, Hence why pro's nap 2 times per day.  lol

It will get better but just get used to wanting more sleep. :-



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Tim - look on the bright side - your time for the IM is going to be a lot less than the hours your are putting in today Laughing.

Pace yourself my friend.

KC

tmoran80 - 2012-02-24 11:18 AM

Haha - yeah thats the problem I already am sleep deprived - now I am double secret probation sleep deprived.  I am just trying to be in bed by 8:45 every night which is crazy for me.

I started lifting again this week.  I was really concerned about adding more hours to my training but I missed a paragraph in Finks book and he brought up a good point.  He suggests only using machines and not free weights to save time.  I was able to get my run in and then got all my lifting done in 30 minutes which was great.  Gonna try and get lifting in on Tuesdays/Fridays.  I think it will really help me not dwindle away to a stick figure.

Long day ahead of me today:

  • 4:30am - wake and head to gym
  • 5:00am - 45 minute run @ Z2
  • 5:45am - weight room for 30 min
  • 7:00-8:00am -Dentist appointment
  • 9:00 to 5:00pm work
  • 6:30pm - drive to and set up for acoustic show.
  • 7:30 -11:30pm - play acoustic show
  • 1:00am - BED!!!
  • 6:00am - up with the babyCry

 

razorxp - 2012-02-24 9:13 AM
Batlou - 2012-02-23 8:56 PM

tmoran80 - 2012-02-23 12:38 PM 1/2 way through with week 2 training and I am tired ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Its gonna be a long summer.

I am glad I am not the only one.  When I started exercising people told I would gain more energy,  I must be doing it wrong.  Week 4 for me this week which is a recovery week, which worked out since I am nursing yet another cold.  

 

Who ever told you that was not training for an IM! lol  I don't think I have ever met someone with more energy if they are training hard, Hence why pro's nap 2 times per day.  lol

It will get better but just get used to wanting more sleep. :-

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Coach - two naps a day - that's it - I AM TURNING PRO Laughing.

 

razorxp - 2012-02-24 10:13 AM
Batlou - 2012-02-23 8:56 PM

tmoran80 - 2012-02-23 12:38 PM 1/2 way through with week 2 training and I am tired ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Its gonna be a long summer.

I am glad I am not the only one.  When I started exercising people told I would gain more energy,  I must be doing it wrong.  Week 4 for me this week which is a recovery week, which worked out since I am nursing yet another cold.  

 

Who ever told you that was not training for an IM! lol  I don't think I have ever met someone with more energy if they are training hard, Hence why pro's nap 2 times per day.  lol

It will get better but just get used to wanting more sleep. :-

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Jenn - hang in there and make sure you take care of yourself.

Jennifers - 2012-02-23 8:00 PM

Hello team!

Dave, I agree- move the ten mile run up if you can...you will have a much better race going in well rested, especially with your tri right before.

Work and school have been kicking my butt lately.  I have been very stressed out and have been starting to get sick as a result- still been trying to keep up with training, although I passed on my run yesterday to catch up on some much needed rest.  I was supposed to have Friday afternoon-Sunday off from work (which really means I can catch up on school work and my research) but now I only have Sunday, which is when I am doing a 3 hour charity ride.  Argh.  The life of an athletic trainer. Tongue out

hope everyone else is doing well with life balance and training!

 

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Hey Team.

Coach - welcome back glad you had a great time adn I hope you did not deposit tons of $ at the bank of Vegas - because they won't let you have it back.

All well on my front I think. Busy week after a couple of days away last weekend. It seems like you take a few days off and it takes you twice as many days to catch up. Hell, it is Friday and for the first time all week I feel like I am back to at least being caught up with everything (work, laundry,etc. etc)

I took a bike repair class last night at one of the local bike shops - it was great and I feel much better about having some good working knowledge of bikes and some confidence that I can trouble shoot and get home or get finished if I have any issues on the road. 

Heading out for a bite to eat with an old golf friend of mine this evening. He contacted me out of the blue and wants to chat with me about getting into the multi-sport life style. He heard from some mutual friends that I was into triathlons and he saw some of my pictures on facebook and now he says he wants to get into it. I of course told him he was crazy and I probably am not the one who could answer any of his questions LOL but I would love to meet him for a beer Smile

4th week taper ends Sunday and then back at it a bit harder starting next week - I think I need a nap already Smile.

Have a great weekend Team.

KC

PS - I hope you are enjoying your last day in the newspaper business Scott - and welcome to the rest of your life - go kick it's A$$

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KC - bike repair class is great idea.  I hope you only need it for scheduled maintenance.

TIm - Amazing schedule!  As for lifting and Finks plan - I tried it for 1st 4 weeks.  Then I realized that i could not keep it up and still maintain good s/b/r.  That is the reason for my group nickname! 

Scott - Good luck with the new start!  I will love to hear what you decide on.  I looked into ITCA - very interested to hear how the program is. 

Jennifers - Good luck with your charity ride, let us know how you do.



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10 mile run this morning, farthest I've ever ran so I'm happy with that, but for some reason my kidneys are sore as heck, never had that problem before, any one had that before........
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MANDOWN - 2012-02-26 6:28 PM 10 mile run this morning, farthest I've ever ran so I'm happy with that, but for some reason my kidneys are sore as heck, never had that problem before, any one had that before........

Good job on the mileage.  Are you drinking enough?  I've never had kidney problems with running, and don't want to try to diagnose this.  Where is Mary?  Hopefully it goeas away with a little rest.

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Very small indoor tri this morning.  I was very tired going in - catered a 50th B-Day party for a friend last night, stayed up way too late drinking and cleaning up the equipment.

Only 12 or so people were in this race.  Not sure of final results, they were not very organized.  15 minute swim, I think I did 17 laps.  25 minute bike with set tension for everyone.  I went 11.25 KM.  20 minute run, 2.67 miles.  Anxious to see results.

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How can you tell your kidney's hurt? I've never had that before and didn't even know your kidney can actually hurt.  They have something to do with processing your urine so Brian brings up a good point - are you drinking enough or what are you drinking?  I would not mess around if thats what you think it is and go to the doc to get it checked

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MANDOWN - 2012-02-26 6:28 PM 10 mile run this morning, farthest I've ever ran so I'm happy with that, but for some reason my kidneys are sore as heck, never had that problem before, any one had that before........

Good job on the mileage.  Are you drinking enough?  I've never had kidney problems with running, and don't want to try to diagnose this.  Where is Mary?  Hopefully it goeas away with a little rest.

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I have been thinking about trying one of those.  Did you do each one right after each other or did you have to wait a few minutes before you moved on to next sport? 

Skinny Arm Brian - 2012-02-26 6:45 PM

Very small indoor tri this morning.  I was very tired going in - catered a 50th B-Day party for a friend last night, stayed up way too late drinking and cleaning up the equipment.

Only 12 or so people were in this race.  Not sure of final results, they were not very organized.  15 minute swim, I think I did 17 laps.  25 minute bike with set tension for everyone.  I went 11.25 KM.  20 minute run, 2.67 miles.  Anxious to see results.



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Hello Team.

Kevin - not sure what is causing your kidneys to hurt - make sure you find out though.

2012 schedule is about set and here it is:

Sunday April 29              Loaring Physio Therapy  10 km Tecumseh Ontario

Sunday June 3               Belle River Sprint Belle River Ontario(this was my first ever tri last year)

Saturday June 9             Flag City Olympic Findlay Ohio

Sunday June 17             Tomato Man Sprint Leamington Ontario

Saturday July 7              Muncie 70.3

Sunday July 22              Toronto Olympic Toronto Ontario

Saturday August 11       IronMan New York City

Now I can only hope I stay healthy.

Have a great week everyone.

KC

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Hi group,

Kevin - agree with everyone else.  Let us know when you get that checked out!

Brian - good job on the indoor tri.  Did they have someone counting your swim laps, or did you have to keep track for yourself?

KC - nice schedule! Have you registered for all those races already?

I had a great weekend.  Went for a very short run yesterday - we got 20 cm of snow on Friday (almost 8 inches).  The wind yesterday was crazy, and there was blowing snow everywhere, so the run was a bit like running on soft sand (alternating with clear patches, and icy patches) - more exhausting than I had planned, but I'm counting on it making me faster once the snow melts. I also stopped by the gym and did some weight training for the first time in forever.  I'm feeling the weights today!

Today no planned workouts, but my husband and I did go snowshoeing in the woods behind our house for about an hour.  We didn't take the dogs, as we were hoping to spot some wildlife.  We did manage to find a porcupine up in a tree - he looked us over, climbed a bit higher, then seemed to decide that we weren't a threat.  We passed by him, then back-tracked a few minutes later, and he was still there, napping!

Hope everyone is doing well.

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I must have pulled a muscle on the left side of my lower back, never pulled one there before, Ive been doing some research and they say there are some muscles that stabilize your trunk while running, and in longer runs you can pull one if you start getting bad posture, I think thats what It might be, my wife was saying kidney stones but Ive never had that issue, hopefully it will get better sooon.....
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Nice schedule - looks like a busy June/July!

Did you get that new bike yet?

kcgolf - 2012-02-26 9:11 PM

Hello Team.

Kevin - not sure what is causing your kidneys to hurt - make sure you find out though.

2012 schedule is about set and here it is:

Sunday April 29              Loaring Physio Therapy  10 km Tecumseh Ontario

Sunday June 3               Belle River Sprint Belle River Ontario(this was my first ever tri last year)

Saturday June 9             Flag City Olympic Findlay Ohio

Sunday June 17             Tomato Man Sprint Leamington Ontario

Saturday July 7              Muncie 70.3

Sunday July 22              Toronto Olympic Toronto Ontario

Saturday August 11       IronMan New York City

Now I can only hope I stay healthy.

Have a great week everyone.

KC

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