Election 2016 (Page 37)

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by tuwood

Pence says Trump campaign will release evidence 'before the day is out' to prove groping accusers are lying

Anybody else think it's weird that only media outside of the country covers stuff like this?  Oh wait, never mind. 

...still watching the tumbleweed tumble on by...perhaps Pence was told by the Donald evidence was coming that day? Um, yeah...didn't think so.The number of accusers is up to 10.What's the over/under on the number of women Trump "moved on like b!tc&e$?"

So Tony- Did Donald give you the inside scoop? I can't wait to hear his "evidence!"

Did you not read about all the holes in their stories?

With all the new accusers coming forward, could you set up an update page for us Tony? You are certain all 10 (so far) of the women are just Democratic party operatives, or are just being paid off to air these stories, right? Those attention-seekers! They were waiting all this time to just air groundless claims, right?Listen, I am not a woman, but I've read enough to realize it is extremely difficult for women to come forward when they have been abused, molested, etc.I think the tipping point came when he stated he's never done anything like that...perhaps they had hoped in their minds it was done and over...but he brought it up again and confidently denied it...hence the, "Oh no you don't."

I can't speak for all of them, but when multiples of them are being disproved it should make you wonder. If the only threshold for belief is a report to the media then I could just say Hillary molested me 30 years ago and she should resign right. Of course not because I'd need to present some credible evidence and if something in my story became sketchy then it's over. Yet the exact same thing is happening here and you question none of it because it lines up with the audio tape and you don't like trump.

Disproved? I think you're wanting this to be false so much, you've lost your objectivity. Take a step back and look at the "evidence" that Mike Pence promised us. From the site you linked to:

(1) A guy who can't even remember what year the flight was absolutely, positively remembers the random woman sitting next to Trump on that flight. Think back 35 years and try to recall friends you've lost contact with. It's pretty hard. Now try to remember a specific woman you met in passing in public that you've never seen or heard from again until last week. That guy's story is complete BS.

(2) Having your butler say it didn't happen is not evidence. It's hearsay.

(3) Saying on Facebook that you never sexually assaulted anyone isn't evidence. This is one where he could have actually provided some documentation, where's the email you said she sent? But he didn't. He just said trust me, there was an email. 

(4) Here's the one accuser where they provided evidence that contradicts her story. Congrats Don, only 10 more accusers to go. 

(5) Again, quoting Trump's response that's the allegation is false does not make it false and is definitely not evidence. Don't forget, Bill has categorically denied all of his accusers. 

Juanita Broadderick waited 15 years to go public with no evidence or witness, and yet you don't doubt her story. Trump calls Bill a rapist in every speech he gives these days. What makes her story more credible than the rest of these women?  In a private conversation Trump bragged about molesting women. Women accuse Trump of molesting them. The women are all liars. Where's the logic in that thinking? 

And that doesn't even get in to the Ivana testimony of rape, his currently rape lawsuit, Jill Harth, and the stories of him walking through the Miss Teen dressing rooms.  Maybe all these women are actually liars. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses and I wouldn't exactly be floored to find out some of these women made it up. But when you brag about molesting women, don't be shocked when you get accused of molesting women. And don't cry about a rigged system when people (especially women) start to believe those women after hearing all you've said both on your hot mic and on your many Stern show appearances. 

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by tuwood

Pence says Trump campaign will release evidence 'before the day is out' to prove groping accusers are lying

Anybody else think it's weird that only media outside of the country covers stuff like this?  Oh wait, never mind. 

...still watching the tumbleweed tumble on by...perhaps Pence was told by the Donald evidence was coming that day? Um, yeah...didn't think so.The number of accusers is up to 10.What's the over/under on the number of women Trump "moved on like b!tc&e$?"

So Tony- Did Donald give you the inside scoop? I can't wait to hear his "evidence!"

Did you not read about all the holes in their stories?

With all the new accusers coming forward, could you set up an update page for us Tony? You are certain all 10 (so far) of the women are just Democratic party operatives, or are just being paid off to air these stories, right? Those attention-seekers! They were waiting all this time to just air groundless claims, right?Listen, I am not a woman, but I've read enough to realize it is extremely difficult for women to come forward when they have been abused, molested, etc.I think the tipping point came when he stated he's never done anything like that...perhaps they had hoped in their minds it was done and over...but he brought it up again and confidently denied it...hence the, "Oh no you don't."

I can't speak for all of them, but when multiples of them are being disproved it should make you wonder. If the only threshold for belief is a report to the media then I could just say Hillary molested me 30 years ago and she should resign right. Of course not because I'd need to present some credible evidence and if something in my story became sketchy then it's over. Yet the exact same thing is happening here and you question none of it because it lines up with the audio tape and you don't like trump.

Disproved? I think you're wanting this to be false so much, you've lost your objectivity. Take a step back and look at the "evidence" that Mike Pence promised us. From the site you linked to:

(1) A guy who can't even remember what year the flight was absolutely, positively remembers the random woman sitting next to Trump on that flight. Think back 35 years and try to recall friends you've lost contact with. It's pretty hard. Now try to remember a specific woman you met in passing in public that you've never seen or heard from again until last week. That guy's story is complete BS.

(2) Having your butler say it didn't happen is not evidence. It's hearsay.

(3) Saying on Facebook that you never sexually assaulted anyone isn't evidence. This is one where he could have actually provided some documentation, where's the email you said she sent? But he didn't. He just said trust me, there was an email. 

(4) Here's the one accuser where they provided evidence that contradicts her story. Congrats Don, only 10 more accusers to go. 

(5) Again, quoting Trump's response that's the allegation is false does not make it false and is definitely not evidence. Don't forget, Bill has categorically denied all of his accusers. 

Juanita Broadderick waited 15 years to go public with no evidence or witness, and yet you don't doubt her story. Trump calls Bill a rapist in every speech he gives these days. What makes her story more credible than the rest of these women?  In a private conversation Trump bragged about molesting women. Women accuse Trump of molesting them. The women are all liars. Where's the logic in that thinking? 

And that doesn't even get in to the Ivana testimony of rape, his currently rape lawsuit, Jill Harth, and the stories of him walking through the Miss Teen dressing rooms.  Maybe all these women are actually liars. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses and I wouldn't exactly be floored to find out some of these women made it up. But when you brag about molesting women, don't be shocked when you get accused of molesting women. And don't cry about a rigged system when people (especially women) start to believe those women after hearing all you've said both on your hot mic and on your many Stern show appearances. 

I find it interesting that you only pointed out the selective "evidence" that helps your blindness as well.

I guess there not being a concert at the time of one incident doesn't count for you?
I guess an airline not flying that type of plane that was claimed doesn't count for you?
I guess a victim claiming she's friends with Ivanka and she invited her up where Ivanka didn't even know here doesn't count for you?
I guess witnesses that were in the room during an interview doesn't count for you?

I will give you that it's impossible to 100% prove everyone false because of the time that's gone by, but there still has to be something to corroborate it.  The fact that half or more of the claims have so many holes in them that the likelihood of them being false is far greater than the likelihood of them being true has to make you look at all of them with skepticism.  If it doesn't, then you simply don't care about the truth and only want to take down Trump at any cost.

The Dems have played this trick before.  Do you remember when McCain was accused of having an affair right before the election?  Guess who made the accusation?  The New York Times (shocker).   After he lost the election his alleged mistress was paid a large sum of money due to a libel case from the NYT.

So you have a source, the NYT, which has a history of doing whatever it can to slander and libel Republicans bringing forward a slew of cases, many decades old, that have a ton of holes.  Then you say that it doesn't matter, we have to believe the victims (because they're against Trump).  Yet, in contrast if the victims are of Bill Clinton and Hillary tearing them down then they're all liars and get no coverage by the NYT at all.

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy

Originally posted by tuwood

Pence says Trump campaign will release evidence 'before the day is out' to prove groping accusers are lying

Anybody else think it's weird that only media outside of the country covers stuff like this?  Oh wait, never mind. 

...still watching the tumbleweed tumble on by...perhaps Pence was told by the Donald evidence was coming that day? Um, yeah...didn't think so.The number of accusers is up to 10.What's the over/under on the number of women Trump "moved on like b!tc&e$?"

So Tony- Did Donald give you the inside scoop? I can't wait to hear his "evidence!"

Did you not read about all the holes in their stories?

With all the new accusers coming forward, could you set up an update page for us Tony? You are certain all 10 (so far) of the women are just Democratic party operatives, or are just being paid off to air these stories, right? Those attention-seekers! They were waiting all this time to just air groundless claims, right?Listen, I am not a woman, but I've read enough to realize it is extremely difficult for women to come forward when they have been abused, molested, etc.I think the tipping point came when he stated he's never done anything like that...perhaps they had hoped in their minds it was done and over...but he brought it up again and confidently denied it...hence the, "Oh no you don't."

I can't speak for all of them, but when multiples of them are being disproved it should make you wonder. If the only threshold for belief is a report to the media then I could just say Hillary molested me 30 years ago and she should resign right. Of course not because I'd need to present some credible evidence and if something in my story became sketchy then it's over. Yet the exact same thing is happening here and you question none of it because it lines up with the audio tape and you don't like trump.

Disproved? I think you're wanting this to be false so much, you've lost your objectivity. Take a step back and look at the "evidence" that Mike Pence promised us. From the site you linked to:

(1) A guy who can't even remember what year the flight was absolutely, positively remembers the random woman sitting next to Trump on that flight. Think back 35 years and try to recall friends you've lost contact with. It's pretty hard. Now try to remember a specific woman you met in passing in public that you've never seen or heard from again until last week. That guy's story is complete BS.

(2) Having your butler say it didn't happen is not evidence. It's hearsay.

(3) Saying on Facebook that you never sexually assaulted anyone isn't evidence. This is one where he could have actually provided some documentation, where's the email you said she sent? But he didn't. He just said trust me, there was an email. 

(4) Here's the one accuser where they provided evidence that contradicts her story. Congrats Don, only 10 more accusers to go. 

(5) Again, quoting Trump's response that's the allegation is false does not make it false and is definitely not evidence. Don't forget, Bill has categorically denied all of his accusers. 

Juanita Broadderick waited 15 years to go public with no evidence or witness, and yet you don't doubt her story. Trump calls Bill a rapist in every speech he gives these days. What makes her story more credible than the rest of these women?  In a private conversation Trump bragged about molesting women. Women accuse Trump of molesting them. The women are all liars. Where's the logic in that thinking? 

And that doesn't even get in to the Ivana testimony of rape, his currently rape lawsuit, Jill Harth, and the stories of him walking through the Miss Teen dressing rooms.  Maybe all these women are actually liars. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses and I wouldn't exactly be floored to find out some of these women made it up. But when you brag about molesting women, don't be shocked when you get accused of molesting women. And don't cry about a rigged system when people (especially women) start to believe those women after hearing all you've said both on your hot mic and on your many Stern show appearances. 

I find it interesting that you only pointed out the selective "evidence" that helps your blindness as well.

I guess there not being a concert at the time of one incident doesn't count for you?
I guess an airline not flying that type of plane that was claimed doesn't count for you?
I guess a victim claiming she's friends with Ivanka and she invited her up where Ivanka didn't even know here doesn't count for you?
I guess witnesses that were in the room during an interview doesn't count for you?

I will give you that it's impossible to 100% prove everyone false because of the time that's gone by, but there still has to be something to corroborate it.  The fact that half or more of the claims have so many holes in them that the likelihood of them being false is far greater than the likelihood of them being true has to make you look at all of them with skepticism.  If it doesn't, then you simply don't care about the truth and only want to take down Trump at any cost.

The Dems have played this trick before.  Do you remember when McCain was accused of having an affair right before the election?  Guess who made the accusation?  The New York Times (shocker).   After he lost the election his alleged mistress was paid a large sum of money due to a libel case from the NYT.

So you have a source, the NYT, which has a history of doing whatever it can to slander and libel Republicans bringing forward a slew of cases, many decades old, that have a ton of holes.  Then you say that it doesn't matter, we have to believe the victims (because they're against Trump).  Yet, in contrast if the victims are of Bill Clinton and Hillary tearing them down then they're all liars and get no coverage by the NYT at all.

I included the one about the concert. That's #4, the one claim where evidence was given that contradicts the woman's story. And yes, I am slectively choosing to ignore the airline argument because I've seen "evidence" from both sides. There's pictures of first class seats with non-retractable armrests. There's pictures that show first class seats that do raise up. CNN also found a 1979 flight attendants manual from the Braniff Airways Foundation that says the armrests are removable by puling up (link). I don't know where the pictures came from, I don't know if the flight attendants manual is relevant, I never flew first class on Braniff in 1980 and have no idea what's true and what's false. So until some old Braniff flight attendant speaks up and tells us what their planes did or did not have, I going to assume the partisan "proof" from both sides neither proves or disproves her allegations. 

Melania (I assume you meant to say her and not Ivanka, with so many Trump wives running around it's an easy mistake to make ) saying she doesn't know the woman is not evidence or proof. Her threatening to sue the woman is not evidence or proof. I got news for you, the Trumps are a litigious people.

And what witnesses are you talking about. The butler? No, that's not enough for me. For one thing, he made his living off of Trump. Not exactly impartial. Secondly, the woman's claim is that happened when she was alone in the room with Trump, and that he backed off when the butler came in. So him saying he didn't see anything doesn't even contradict her story. As for the guy on the plane, ha!

Look, quite a few women have accused Bill of assault/rape, and I tend to believe them. Quite a few women have accused Trump of assault/rape, and I tend to believe them. Your'e the one that believes all of one man's accusers, and denies all of their other man's accusers. Despite the fact that he bragged, in a private conversation, of molesting women. Juanita Broaddrick has nothing, absolutely nothing, to corroborate her story. No evidence, no witness, waited two decades to say anything. You're being hypocritical when you call Bill a rapist, but dismiss the Trump's allegations as just a political smear campaign.

And finally, I'm not the one who promised evidence that disproves women. Trump's wife, Trump's butler, and a random guy on a plane are not evidence. Pence said "I know that there is more information that is going to be coming out that will back his claim that this is all categorically false." Trump said "We already have substantial evidence to dispute these lies and they will be made public in an appropriate way and at an appropriate time." So WTF are they waiting for? Do they think this story doesn't have legs so there's no rush to kill it? Trump supporters may be dismissing the allegations, but he is getting destroyed in the polls of women voters. 

I think he's just saying you have to evaluate them individually.  I have no doubt that politics gets dirty.  I have no doubt the Democrats had people searching for women to speak up about this.  But I also think Trump has brought a lot of this on himself.  These claims of a rigged election are garbage and dangerous to our elections in this country.

Billionaire playboy's wife testifies that she was violently raped 20 years ago. Billionaire playboy sued for sexual assault 20 years ago. Billionaire playboy currently being sued for rape. Billionaire playboy caught on tape bragging about molesting women, says during the debate that it never happened, women who claimed they were molested by billionaire playboy come forward and say bullchit. 

Either these women are all liars, or these women are speaking up now because the man that assaulted them is on national television swearing to the country that he's never done anything inappropriate to ladies. Clearly your mind is made up, and that's great. Maybe Trump can convince me he's innocent of the accusations just as soon as his campaign gets around to releasing all of the "substantial evidence" they claim to have. Maybe they'll do that right after they get around to releasing his medical records (which he promised to do last December and again in September). Until then, I have him on tape bragging about grabbing women by their p*****s because he can get away with it. 

Both sides of the media are bias......and that's without question.  We can argue over which outlets are the most biased, but it cannot be argued that Right wing or Left wing are not both biased.  As such......I take EVERY report of ANYTHING that has to do with this election with that same grain of salt.  As far as I'm concerned the Federalist has as much worth as CNN, MSNBC, FOX, or whatever..........all in the same boat from where I see it.  And then there is twitter and FB.......an even deeper level of sewer and garbage........if that's even possible.

For anyone on the Left or the Right to stand up and tout "their" media as having more credibility, or the other side's media to have less credence,  is an absolute joke.

I've always known the DNC was a corrupt organization, but the levels of depravity that keep coming out are just breathtaking.  
Rigging the Election - Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump Rallies

I know I know... Insert attack on source and ignore everything in the video... /sigh 

So if the salacious allegations are true and you are prepared to look past voting a sexual predator as president, the bigger flag for me is his terrible judgment.  When Trump goes off the teleprompter, you get a glimpse of his true character:

• reference to one of the accuser's looks as a defense to sexual assault allegation - i.e. she's too ugly to assault
• as LB pointed out above in Trump's speech over the weekend - "believe me, I wasn't impressed" quote referring to Hilary
• late night twitter battle with former Miss Universe
• knee jerk response to abortion issue that women should be punished (acknowledge that he walked that one back)
• inviting Russia to hack Hillary's emails (before he claimed it was a joke)
• threatening to jail Hillary if he is elected president

The above being only a very short list of Trump's idiotic comments.  And I didn't include the 'hot mic" Billy Bush audio as he didn't know that he was being recorded.  For all of the above, he knew he had an audience and meant every word that he said. Surely good judgment is a quality that you would look for in your president.

Let's see, Trump is rallying people around stopping the decline of American wage earners, preventing companies from offshoring, fixing the tax code, disallowing H1B / foreign workers, etc.  But he has benefited his entire life from those very things!  If you say you're voting Trump because you think Hillary is worse, fine - I can believe you even if I don't agree.  But don't give me the b.s. that you think Trump is really going to stick to his claims.  It's such a load of horsecrap.  He may be 70 and not care for himself but I guarantee he's not going to enact policy that drives down his (rich) kids' earnings.

Hillary should already be in jail.  If it weren't for the corrupt government in place he wouldn't have to say that.  Also, he said he would appoint a special investigator to investigate, he didn't say he'd throw her in jail.  
I just don't understand how anyone can be OK with the corruption in Washington, I truly don't.  Everyone likes to say how much Trump loves Putin, but our current Government has already gotten just as bad as Russia (maybe worse).  State run media, selective legal enforcement based on political ideology, hiring and training agitators to cause trouble at opponent rallies.

Listen, I don't like the Trump statements anymore than you do but the guy hasn't been charged with a crime and he hasn't been convicted of any crime.  It used to be that you were innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  Hillary DID break the law and everybody knows it, but she doesn't get charged because she is being covered by Obama and his Department of Justice.  Seriously, how is that any different than what's goes on in Russia?

Watch the video I just linked above and tell me the DNC is above hiring women to come forward.  They will do anything they have to in order to stay in power and people like you eat it up and believe everything your government tells you. 

I tend to agree with you, but him and Hillary are both in agreement on the carried interest exemption.  Trump takes advantage of it and everyone who put Hillary in power doesn't want her to do it.  So, we can probably agree that neither one of them will put it in place.

However, Hillary is on record as raising taxes which will effect everyone.   You can say it's only the rich, but it's stupid to say it doesn't trickle down.  If I have to pay an extra $20k in taxes then that's 4 full time people I am going to seriously figure out if I need to retain or not.  I'm definitely not eating it all.

With Trump he has put out a detailed tax plan where he's drastically reducing taxes across the board.  Sure, we can argue over the effects on revenue and deficits, but it would help everyone from the top to the bottom (who pay taxes).  That would put more money in Trumps pockets as well as yours and mine and is more consistent with your thinking that he doesn't want to drive down earnings. 

Our system may be corrupt but we have two competing sides that are corrupt.

Someone I work with was visiting from Russia.  I grumbled about our crappy election process and I said you must think Americans are crazy.  His response? At least you have a choice.

She said "it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country. " and he replied "because you would be in jail".  Close enough.