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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kickitinok - 2010-05-07 2:41 PM Meulen - 2010-05-06 3:35 PM GoGoGo - 2010-05-07 2:10 PM Product Review: Cycling Bib shorts... I have a pair of Pearl Izumi Quests and a pair of LG Alevo Gel. I haven't worn the LG's yet. The Pearl Izumi's were inexpensive and super comfortable! Bib's are AWSOME!!! until you have to go to the bathroom! LOLWas reading Jordan Rapp's blog on "Specialized" (a good read BTW) & he was saying that a cyclist should have one pair of hig quality cycling shorts. Raved about them, how they make long rides so much more comfortable, etc. Anyway, I decided to buy a higher quality pair this morning & wore them during bike ride this afternoon. Bought a "Gore" bibbed cycling short. Very nice fit & finish. Seamless chamois. Like the bib, no waistband & very comfy in aero. Anyway, I had my doubts about bibbed shorts, I am now a believer! Anyone else got a set?? I've heard of guys peeing while on the bike during races. Anyone here do that? I know that's a strange question, but I've read some pretty strange threads here on BT where the guys who do it are quite proud of themselves. I hope I'm never behind one of them in a race. This sport is supposed to be fun for me. The second I get serious enough to do that I need to re-evaluate what I'm doing. LOL |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meulen - 2010-05-07 1:09 PM GoGoGo - 2010-05-07 2:52 PM yeah....so..... shhhhhhhhh, So did I. LOLbrick94513 - 2010-05-07 4:44 PM [ If I'm a machine, I'm feeling like an old Commadore 64 right now! ![]() Now, I will age myself, I had one of those!!! whats a commodore 64? ![]() |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() shmeeg - 2010-05-07 3:15 PM Meulen - 2010-05-07 1:09 PM GoGoGo - 2010-05-07 2:52 PM yeah....so..... shhhhhhhhh, So did I. LOLbrick94513 - 2010-05-07 4:44 PM [ If I'm a machine, I'm feeling like an old Commadore 64 right now! ![]() Now, I will age myself, I had one of those!!! whats a commodore 64? ![]() It's a dinasaur. LOL I hope it's not to cold and windy this weekend to get my brick in. This weather sucks! ![]() |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meulen - 2010-05-07 5:17 PM shmeeg - 2010-05-07 3:15 PM It's a dinasaur. LOL I hope it's not to cold and windy this weekend to get my brick in. This weather sucks! Meulen - 2010-05-07 1:09 PM GoGoGo - 2010-05-07 2:52 PM yeah....so..... shhhhhhhhh, So did I. LOLbrick94513 - 2010-05-07 4:44 PM [ If I'm a machine, I'm feeling like an old Commadore 64 right now! ![]() Now, I will age myself, I had one of those!!! whats a commodore 64? ![]() ![]() Before Dinosaur!! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rough day... spent the morning putting up the most gawd awfully complicated canopy for a school festival tomorrow morning (took 2 of us over two hours!), and spent the rest of the day following up on job stuff (I'm job hunting right now, it sucks.). Big Dark Soul Sucking Hole! I had planned a long mountain bike ride for today, but I'm going to go ride the rollers in the garage now instead. fun. At least there's a baseball game on the radio. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() One word for Friday... "whooped". Edited by BigH2OChief 2010-05-07 10:10 PM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meulen - 2010-05-06 4:05 PM brick94513 - 2010-05-07 2:48 PM and risk getting stuck in a silicone gripper????? LOLMeulen - 2010-05-07 12:35 PM GoGoGo - 2010-05-07 2:10 PM Product Review: Cycling Bib shorts... I have a pair of Pearl Izumi Quests and a pair of LG Alevo Gel. I haven't worn the LG's yet. The Pearl Izumi's were inexpensive and super comfortable! Bib's are AWSOME!!! until you have to go to the bathroom! LOLWas reading Jordan Rapp's blog on "Specialized" (a good read BTW) & he was saying that a cyclist should have one pair of hig quality cycling shorts. Raved about them, how they make long rides so much more comfortable, etc. Anyway, I decided to buy a higher quality pair this morning & wore them during bike ride this afternoon. Bought a "Gore" bibbed cycling short. Very nice fit & finish. Seamless chamois. Like the bib, no waistband & very comfy in aero. Anyway, I had my doubts about bibbed shorts, I am now a believer! Anyone else got a set?? If your going to stop, pee through the pant leg. Well, this works for the guys, sorry Trina. HAHA! This made me spit out my morning orange juice! LOL! I suppose I could always use a "GoGirl" if I ever got that hardcore. They work great for camping. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Refresher on my background. New to endurance sports / only been traing for about 6 weeks. 44, 5'9", 180 pounds. Played lots of "speed" sports growing up (baseball, basketball, etc.). My logs are all up to date and I've been taking things slow and steady with good, solid progress. So today I went for a 3.8 mile run with the new HRM (Suunto T4C). Some interesting observations. When I put on the HRM it was showing about 90 bpm. Took off running and it jumped almost instantly to the mid-130's and then slowly started climbing. When it settle out about 1/2 mile in it was right around 170 bpm. I didn't feel like I was straining excessively and the run was actually as comfortable as I've ever been -- considering the 30 MPH wind it went really well. Peak HR was 176. I noticed that when I would go down hill, with the wind the bpm's would drop off 2-4 and on the flip side, in to the wind/up the hill they would head up 2-4 BPM. After finishing up the HR was down to the low 130's in about 2 minutes, breathing totally normal. No problems. 2-3 minutes later it was still in the mid-120's. Sat down and it dropped immediatly to around 110. Looking for some guidance. Have read that my max HR should be around 180 bpm. If that's the case the 170 for training would be way high; however, I didn't feel that taxed at that level. Further with being at 135 right off the bat, I wouldn't be able to do much more than walk if I wanted to stay in the mid/high 140's to train. Should my max HR be higher? Is this simply an issue with not having any endurance base? Appreciate any and all guidance. Thanks! Curt Edited by croixfan 2010-05-08 10:16 AM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() croixfan - 2010-05-07 11:15 AM Refresher on my background. New to endurance sports / only been traing for about 6 weeks. 44, 5'9", 180 pounds. Played lots of "speed" sports growing up (baseball, basketball, etc.). My logs are all up to date and I've been taking things slow and steady with good, solid progress. So today I went for a 3.8 mile run with the new HRM (Suunto T4C). Some interesting observations. When I put on the HRM it was showing about 90 bpm. Took off running and it jumped almost instantly to the mid-130's and then slowly started climbing. When it settle out about 1/2 mile in it was right around 170 bpm. I didn't feel like I was straining excessively and the run was actually as comfortable as I've ever been -- considering the 30 MPH wind it went really well. Peak HR was 176. I noticed that when I would go down hill, with the wind the bpm's would drop off 2-4 and on the flip side, in to the wind/up the hill they would head up 2-4 BPM. After finishing up the HR was down to the low 130's in about 2 minutes, breathing totally normal. No problems. 2-3 minutes later it was still in the mid-120's. Sat down and it dropped immediatly to around 110. Looking for some guidance. Have read that my max HR should be around 180 bpm. If that's the case the 170 for training would be way high; however, I didn't feel that taxed at that level. Further with being at 135 right off the bat, I wouldn't be able to do much more than walk if I wanted to stay in the mid/high 140's to train. Should my max HR be higher? Is this simply an issue with not having any endurance base? Appreciate any and all guidance. Thanks! Curt Curt - I am certainly no expert as I am also totally new to endurance sports, but I have a similar sports background as you (softball, volleyball), around the same age, etc and my heart rate almost mirrors yours when I run. Well, I should say it used to, it's gotten a bit better in 5 months of training. I've asked around, and the answer I've received is that my HR will go down with an increased endurance base. There are many theories about how to determine your Max HR, but based on your age/weight/height yours looks about right. I'm sure the experts will be on here later to give you their input. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() croixfan - 2010-05-08 8:15 AM Refresher on my background. New to endurance sports / only been traing for about 6 weeks. 44, 5'9", 180 pounds. Played lots of "speed" sports growing up (baseball, basketball, etc.). My logs are all up to date and I've been taking things slow and steady with good, solid progress. So today I went for a 3.8 mile run with the new HRM (Suunto T4C). Some interesting observations. When I put on the HRM it was showing about 90 bpm. Took off running and it jumped almost instantly to the mid-130's and then slowly started climbing. When it settle out about 1/2 mile in it was right around 170 bpm. I didn't feel like I was straining excessively and the run was actually as comfortable as I've ever been -- considering the 30 MPH wind it went really well. Peak HR was 176. I noticed that when I would go down hill, with the wind the bpm's would drop off 2-4 and on the flip side, in to the wind/up the hill they would head up 2-4 BPM. After finishing up the HR was down to the low 130's in about 2 minutes, breathing totally normal. No problems. 2-3 minutes later it was still in the mid-120's. Sat down and it dropped immediatly to around 110. Looking for some guidance. Have read that my max HR should be around 180 bpm. If that's the case the 170 for training would be way high; however, I didn't feel that taxed at that level. Further with being at 135 right off the bat, I wouldn't be able to do much more than walk if I wanted to stay in the mid/high 140's to train. Should my max HR be higher? Is this simply an issue with not having any endurance base? Appreciate any and all guidance. Thanks! Curt Heart Rate is very person dependent. The one size fits all rules pretty much don't work. There is a great series of articles here on BT, if you click on 'articles', then 'heart rate training', read all that stuff. The basic point of it is that each individual needs to determine their own HR zones. Personally, I'd just keep on doing what you are doing, run what feels comfortable. If you can carry on a conversation while running, you know you are at the right general exertion level. Once you have been running for a while and feel up for it, do the LTHR test. It consists of a very hard 30 minute run at a very high intensity, so it's not really something you can just go out and do if you aren't already in decent condition (imo). |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ^^ I second the LTHR test recommendation. I wouldn't concern yourself w/ the actual #s right away, just observe and record what your HR is for now. You should see some change over time. After you do the LTHR test you can start training at specific HR zones if you want. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I totally woused out on the bike ride this morning. It was too cold and windy and it looked like rain. I waited till it warmed up a little and still got a run in though. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() croixfan - 2010-05-08 10:15 AM Refresher on my background. New to endurance sports / only been traing for about 6 weeks. 44, 5'9", 180 pounds. Played lots of "speed" sports growing up (baseball, basketball, etc.). My logs are all up to date and I've been taking things slow and steady with good, solid progress. So today I went for a 3.8 mile run with the new HRM (Suunto T4C). Some interesting observations. When I put on the HRM it was showing about 90 bpm. Took off running and it jumped almost instantly to the mid-130's and then slowly started climbing. When it settle out about 1/2 mile in it was right around 170 bpm. I didn't feel like I was straining excessively and the run was actually as comfortable as I've ever been -- considering the 30 MPH wind it went really well. Peak HR was 176. I noticed that when I would go down hill, with the wind the bpm's would drop off 2-4 and on the flip side, in to the wind/up the hill they would head up 2-4 BPM. After finishing up the HR was down to the low 130's in about 2 minutes, breathing totally normal. No problems. 2-3 minutes later it was still in the mid-120's. Sat down and it dropped immediatly to around 110. Looking for some guidance. Have read that my max HR should be around 180 bpm. If that's the case the 170 for training would be way high; however, I didn't feel that taxed at that level. Further with being at 135 right off the bat, I wouldn't be able to do much more than walk if I wanted to stay in the mid/high 140's to train. Should my max HR be higher? Is this simply an issue with not having any endurance base? Appreciate any and all guidance. Thanks! Curt Curt, I've had lots of back and forth on HR training. I have people tell me I'm not working hard enough because my hr doesn't go high enough on the bike and people tell me not to worry about hr at all as long as I know I'm giving it my all. Either way, use the HRM as gauge. It's not going to be an exact science. My max hr should be in the 180's yet, even today, I got it to 205 on my run. On the bike it's different for me. That's pretty typical for someone with limited cycling experience. But I have never been higher than 187 and typically have a lot of trouble above 170, even though I can run for at least an hour above 170. I hear as your cycling legs get stronger your max hr on the bike and run will close the gap. Earlier in this thread Tim gave some great advice about LTHR training. Go back and read that!!! It should really help you out and tell you how to use your HRM. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So Mark and I are doing the Encinitas race next weekend, but I'm in a bit of a quandry. I don't really know what sort of effort level I should be 'racing' at since I'm doin the super sprint and it's so short. And I've got no idea how fast I am for anything other than the run. My initial intention was just to use the race to get familiar w/ OW swim, practice my transitions and use the info to improve at the next race. Since it's really short, should I just get into a higher HR zone and motor it? I don't care about where I place or anything, but I always feel better after a workout when I actually challenge myself and don't just go through the motions. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() This morning my daughter Alyssa (7 yrs) ran the 4th Annual Cinco de Mayo Trail Run with at Poway Lake. She had me as 'race support' and did a great job bossing me around. Alyssa had a good race plan and executed it well until she lost footing in some soft mud coming up a grade on the damn. She went down pretty hard... but fought through tears and the final 3/4 mile of hills in a strong finish. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BigH2OChief - 2010-05-08 4:43 PM This morning my daughter Alyssa (7 yrs) ran the 4th Annual Cinco de Mayo Trail Run with at Poway Lake. She had me as 'race support' and did a great job bossing me around. Alyssa had a good race plan and executed it well until she lost footing in some soft mud coming up a grade on the damn. She went down pretty hard... but fought through tears and the final 3/4 mile of hills in a strong finish. Cool pics!!!! Congrats to Alyssa & her proud father!!!! ![]() |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Quick update before I have to head into work: Time: 2:46:41. Goal time was three hours, so not bad. Details to follow.... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() croixfan - 2010-05-08 8:15 AM Refresher on my background. New to endurance sports / only been traing for about 6 weeks. 44, 5'9", 180 pounds. Played lots of "speed" sports growing up (baseball, basketball, etc.). My logs are all up to date and I've been taking things slow and steady with good, solid progress. So today I went for a 3.8 mile run with the new HRM (Suunto T4C). Some interesting observations. When I put on the HRM it was showing about 90 bpm. Took off running and it jumped almost instantly to the mid-130's and then slowly started climbing. When it settle out about 1/2 mile in it was right around 170 bpm. I didn't feel like I was straining excessively and the run was actually as comfortable as I've ever been -- considering the 30 MPH wind it went really well. Peak HR was 176. I noticed that when I would go down hill, with the wind the bpm's would drop off 2-4 and on the flip side, in to the wind/up the hill they would head up 2-4 BPM. After finishing up the HR was down to the low 130's in about 2 minutes, breathing totally normal. No problems. 2-3 minutes later it was still in the mid-120's. Sat down and it dropped immediatly to around 110. Looking for some guidance. Have read that my max HR should be around 180 bpm. If that's the case the 170 for training would be way high; however, I didn't feel that taxed at that level. Further with being at 135 right off the bat, I wouldn't be able to do much more than walk if I wanted to stay in the mid/high 140's to train. Should my max HR be higher? Is this simply an issue with not having any endurance base? Appreciate any and all guidance. Thanks! Curt There is a lot of misconception about hr monitors and how to use them. First of all, forget about MAX hr. For our purposes, this number is irrelevant. More importantly, we want to know where our lactate threshold hr is located. Why? Below this number, when we exercise, we are functioning aerobically. The body's cardiopulmonary system is able to maintain a proper acid-base balance. Above, this number, you are now anaerobic. Meaning the body can no longer maintain homeostasis through normal means and releases lactate to buffer the accumulation of hydrogen. Now, did you verify the hr monitor is recording accurately? Did you take your pulse before, during, and after exercise to verify? The sudden spike to the 130s sounds about normal. As for the constant 170, that depends. What was your RPE with this HR? Your LTHR usually occurs around a RPE of 7. This point is associated with difficult conversation, probably one or two word sentences. As for your statement about walking to keep your HR at 140. As you become more aerobically fit, you will achieve faster paces at lower hr. Also, keep in mind, these numbers are completely individualistic. A hr of 140 for you is completely different for me. So, long story short, you need to find your LTHR and then establish your HR zones from this number. You then can retest every few months to check for aerobic improvement. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() shmeeg - 2010-05-08 10:51 AM So Mark and I are doing the Encinitas race next weekend, but I'm in a bit of a quandry. I don't really know what sort of effort level I should be 'racing' at since I'm doin the super sprint and it's so short. And I've got no idea how fast I am for anything other than the run. My initial intention was just to use the race to get familiar w/ OW swim, practice my transitions and use the info to improve at the next race. Since it's really short, should I just get into a higher HR zone and motor it? I don't care about where I place or anything, but I always feel better after a workout when I actually challenge myself and don't just go through the motions. Usually a sprint is an all-out effort. However, being your first triathlon and OWS, you need to be cautious. My advice is take the swim slow. Try to find a comfortable place, think about form, and relax. You don't want to go out in a frenzy, burn yourself out, and then be gasping for air while swimming. Once you get on land, go for it. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mark: Congrats to your daughter! Chelsea? Is she the girl that was abducted this year near Poway? |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BigH2OChief - 2010-05-08 12:43 PM We participated in todays event to support the Chelsea's Light Foundation. A great cause supporting a tragic event. I encourage you to show your support by becoming a change maker at www.chelseaslight.org -or- http://design.netfinity.net/clf/ I'd like to 'support' these efforts by being allowed to open carry my .45 and putting a big giant hole in the aholes that do this sort of thing. On a completely unrelated note, that green otter pop looks great! My 6 year old is partial to purple though :D Edited by shmeeg 2010-05-08 11:44 PM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() brick94513 - 2010-05-08 9:13 PM My advice is take the swim slow. Try to find a comfortable place, think about form, and relax. You don't want to go out in a frenzy, burn yourself out, and then be gasping for air while swimming. Once you get on land, go for it. Perfect, that's kinda what I was hoping you'd say. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Tim - Yeah... Chelsea King was the Poway HS student abducted while running trails at Lake Hodges (5 mins from our home). This tragedy hit our community pretty hard. It's where I do the majority of my MB rides and trail runs and where our family takes frequent hikes. In this modrn era of communication its difficult to shelter our kids and since Chelsea's murder Alyssa has refused to go back to the lake because she is afraid (thanks to what she has heard from the media). Along with everything else I do... I also play Bass Drum in the San Diego Firefighters' Emerald Society Pipes & Drums. The Fire Department Band played at Chelsea King's Funeral and let me tell you Brother... I have played way too many funerals and memorials for Fireman, Policeman and our Military, but nothing ever hurt me like the sound of grief coming from Chelsea's Mother. Today was in essence a day of healing for the King family; our Community, and; for Me and Alyssa... and it was a good day. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() X2 on Tim's advice to Jay for the Enci Sprint. As I hear from the TCSD Coaches all the time... You dont win it on the swim... but it's the one event you can loose it on! Start the swim at a good pace [then back off a touch] focusing on form, breathing and technique (head down... butt up... and stroke & glide). Transitions are also key descriminators so practice - practice - practice this week. The Bike will be fast and wind will be a factor. That said though, the short bike distance will leave you lots in the tank for the run (which is your strongest event)... so I believe you'll whip it's A$$. P.S. The Otter Pop was to put some ice on her palm from the fall during the race (while SAR pulled out an ice pack. Oddly enough... Alyssa traded the 'purple' Otter Pop for 'green' ![]() Edited by BigH2OChief 2010-05-09 12:10 AM |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() shmeeg - 2010-05-09 1:46 AM brick94513 - 2010-05-08 9:13 PM My advice is take the swim slow. Try to find a comfortable place, think about form, and relax. You don't want to go out in a frenzy, burn yourself out, and then be gasping for air while swimming. Once you get on land, go for it. Perfect, that's kinda what I was hoping you'd say. Good advice. Looking at your logs, the bike is 10k, should take you 20 mins or so, Run only 2.5k, 15 mins max, so the land portion will be quick... Unknowns: How much faster is race pace than most of your logs...Have you done any bricks? You run might be a little slower, but I doubt it, for only 10k on the bike. Man, SuperSprints are quick!!! |
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