Focus on the Family: Chaps my hide (Page 4)

Guilty as charged!  :D

Man, is my dad sorry he raised me to be a free-thinker. What was he thinking?!

Wow...this thread has come a long, long way since noon.  Intolerance, religeon, and politics yet again reared their o-so-complicated, entertwined yet not aligned interests, reference exhibit 13:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/08/iran.israel.reut/index.html

Have at THAT one.  /me ducks. 

Mahmoud loves tweaking provoking the Western nose. He's got that schoolyard "So what are you gonna do about it?" attitude.

"Although we don't accept this claim" - (because we choose to be deliberately ignorant for our own politically expedient reasons)...

" if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem?" he said. - Uhhhh yeah! Collective guilt.

"If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe. You offer part of Europe and we will support it." - there's this little issue of Jerusalem and how to move this land mass to Europe. Oh yeah, and the land was legally purchased and some of the land acquired as war booty. Oopsy! Add to this the fact that the Zionists would never trust the Europeans with their lives...

Snarkiness aside, it's truly tragic to see the Iranians forsake centuries and centuries of traditional Muslim (i.e. Ottoman) respect for and tolerance and protection of Jews. When the European Christians were throwing Jews out of Europe, the Ottoman Empire provided them safe haven and home.

Seems to me they have been fighting to desecularize society since Darwin's theory of evolution really took hold and the Godless Communists scared the heck out of the West. "Under God" was added to the pledge during the Red Scare era, a harbinger of things to come.

This reaction from the faaaar right Christians (a minority yet loud group) has been a long time coming. Looking at it historically, I think it's reaching its nadir and the new Silent Majority are the ones sick of the divisive tactics of Fox/FOF/and all those other benignly-named faaaaar right Christian groups.

There are so many tolerant, kind, earnest, and good Christians - the vast majority of Christians - and they are getting a bum rap thanks to these noisy clowns.

Let me amend that (Buddha taught that I must be respectful towards other belief systems). I think that the loudest, most divisive group (of the faaaar right Christian cabal) are the most fearful. They fear that their way is not the dominant way and so they perceive some kind of loss of power - power to evangelize, power to influence societal norms, power to restrict free-thinking (witness their fear of evolution). If only they would look to their own souls, pluck the wood from their own eyes, lead by example rather than leading by haranguing, more people might listen to them and be receptive to Jesus' words instead of being turned off by Dobson's words. Ranting doesn't really win-over many people other than the already agitated. "Society" will be just alright, fear not.

Edited by Renee 2005-12-08 3:48 PM

Isn't that a huuuuuuuuuge stretch? I thought there was virtually no chance of Netanyahu winning?

He might win control of the Likud party since Sharon is leaving Likud to form the moderate party, Kadima.  IF Netanyahu wins control of Likud, his chances of becoming PM are unlikely though.  Current thought is Sharon's party will join forces with Labor, where by he would retain the PM post.

I thought Sharon and Peres already formed Kadima and the consensus was they would easily win? Has Peres not yet committed?

Note to self: read more world news, less BT.

Yes, Peres has joined Kadima.  But that is largely because he lost the election for the chairman's post in the Labor party. 

Yes, a Kadima/ Labor coalition is the odds on favorite to win the next election. . .BUT Israeli politics are very fluid. 

Who has ever seen a Bush/cheney sticker on a subaru?  Sounds like the flipside of "Dead head sticker on a cadillac".....

Think we'll just observe Festivus this year.

We'll start tonight with the Airing of Grievances, followed by the Feats of Strength.

All Christians, Muslims, Catholics, Homosexuals, Liberal Democrats, yes and even Triathletes are welcome to join in.  

Bring a dish to pass.

Mark

OK, bottom line. Dodson's an a$$hole. I can say that as a Christian because I do so without malice. Just speaking the truth in love. The truth about him and the love for everyone else.

Has anyone mentioned his unwavering support for the Iraq war. He has said that regardless of the circumstances that brought us into that war that he supports it and will NEVER change his mind. Now me and Forrest ain't the smartest puppies on the planet but could someone point out the Christian tenet of war. Can't seem to find it in my red letter edition. Makes one ponder as to "who would Jesus bomb?"

Christianity is so easy, (accept Christ as your saviour, love everyone, spread the "good news". Those who continue to drag us back to the Old Testament are simply trying to put us back under the law. Normally for their own gain( and because they have a small %$#@&. If we are to go back under the law then why did Christ have to die?

So Jim knock it off with your Lev. and Ex. quotes and accept Dodson for what he is , an A44Hole( spoken in love).