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2005-09-07 8:22 AM
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Subject: RE: HR Zones: 220-Age - the TRUTH!
I have seen this as well. The best answer I can really give you, unfortunately, is 'it depends'.

It depends on your sweat rate, how well you do in the heat, the humidity, how well you are hydrated and so on.

The best advice I can give you is to 'know' your variations in different temps. Maybe in mid 60s your HR only is 10 bpm off, but in the mid 70s it's 20 bpms off. If you 'know' your HRs at certain temps, you should have an idea of what numbers you will see and you can correlate this to RPE - rate of perceived exertion.

I know this doesn't help much, but it's such a hard question to answer.



2005-09-07 8:24 AM
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Send me an email and I will send it directly to you. [email protected]
2005-09-07 9:50 AM
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Subject: RE: HR Zones: 220-Age - the TRUTH!
I've been hit with a bad cough and a sore ankle simultaneously (hmm, overtraining?) so I'm sitting around looking at data. I have the readout from a 4mi race I did in May that shows an average HR of 188 over the last 20 minutes. I'm missing a complete 30 minute workout here but with my warm-up etc it's pretty close. I've got some 5k readouts that are around 186 and I've noticed that looking at a couple of sprint races, that I ht 198 -202 on occasion, so obviously my Max HR is higher than I thought. Is this data pertinent? Could I use 188 as my running LT until I have the balls to run a test?
2005-09-07 11:32 AM
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Yep. I think 182-185 is a good range for you.
2005-09-07 1:22 PM
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Ok thanks for the Calculatar

Run zones

Zone 1 - 104-133
Zone 2 - 134-142
Zone 3 - 143-150
Zone 4 - 151- 156
Zone 5a - 157-160
Zone 5b - 161-165
Zone 5c - 166-174

So I should do my LSD runs between 104 and 142 that is a very big range. I have been doing them around 120-125  This would them seem to be two slow So my new plan is to run them up to 134-140 range. Or is there a reason to keep them lower?  I then should relly not run in zone 3? Then I can do shorter runs say under an hour in zone 4.?  Intervals coud then go into Z5a?

Does sound correct?

2005-09-07 2:14 PM
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I did LT run test and I'm not sure if I did it correctly. I started slower and I was constantly speeding up. So my HRavg for first 10 min was 168, last 20 min HRavg was 177 (for last 7 min HR was over 180, max 184). After the test I felt strong and I run extra 8.5 km with HRavg 176. I know that I should have run faster from the beginning, but can I take 177 for my LT?


2005-09-07 5:15 PM
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I think you can, since better be below than above. Your LT could be a little higher, but how much would it change you zones? Two or three beats if that much? In fact LT is the HR average you'd hit running a 10K race or so. That you went up to 18x for the last 7 minutes is no surprise. Most people with sufficient fitness can hold an anaerobic workout for around that much (generally 6.5 minutes according to Billal). So I would say 177 should be right on the mark for you, but I am no expert in this matter.
2005-09-07 11:47 PM
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It might be slow, but I would like to see you do it day after day, week after week. That is how you improve your running :-)

I would cap it at 135 - what is your long run right now? Not miles, but time....

Read my D3 Tips page - left side - it explains the zones and why you should train easier than you think....
http://www.d3multisport.com/articles.html
2005-09-07 11:49 PM
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Basically, you ran 20 minutes at 177, then ran another 8.5k or 30+ minutes at 176?

I think you need to really test your LT. Get a couple of days of rest and then try again....
2005-09-07 11:50 PM
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my longest run so far is 5 miles in one hour and 15 min HRA was 125
2005-09-07 11:52 PM
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how many days a week should I be running ? currently 2 or 3 running is my slowest of the three.


2005-09-08 1:53 AM
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Little extra info about me I am 51 on may 25 of this year I weiged 240 I starting training as a way to lose weight I now weigh 208.  When I started I could not run half a mile. I did my first Tri in August and have another scheduled October 8th.
2005-09-08 6:28 AM
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That is quite an improvement for you, CONGRATS! I would suggest working your way up to 1:30 minutes with the run/walk method. This would mean running 8 minutes/walking 2 minutes. Once you get up to 1:30 and you can do that for a few weeks in a row, we can discuss other variations to your plan.

2-3x per week is good, but in general its maintenance. If you want to improve 4x is the minimum, but 5 runs per week would be best, if you can handle it without getting injured. One of those runs can be aqua jogging, or stair master or even the elliptical.

I hope this helps!
2005-09-08 8:42 AM
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Again thanks for the advice.

This is my workouts totals for Aug.

August's totals:

Bike: 10h 3m 05s - 144.4 Mi
Run: 7h 37m 04s - 31.9 Mi
Swim: 4h 24m 19s - 10240 Yd

Should I do less on the bike or swim to do more on the run?

2005-09-08 8:56 AM
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I depends on what you goal is? Get faster? Lose weight? Run a marathon? Do an IM?

Start with a few easy questions:
1 - how many hours a week do you have to train?
2 - what is your biggest weakness?
2005-09-08 9:46 AM
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mikericci - 2005-09-08 9:56 AM I depends on what you goal is? Get faster? Lose weight? Run a marathon? Do an IM? Start with a few easy questions: 1 - how many hours a week do you have to train? 2 - what is your biggest weakness?

Not such easy questions.  How many hours let us say 1.5 hours on week days and 3 hours on Saturday and sunday 1.5 X 4=  6 +6 =  12 hours a week

Primary Goal  lose weight

Next goal  be in shape to do an Oly.

Biggest weekness Run



2005-09-08 10:00 AM
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Ok then:
Swim 3x per week - :45 at least each time 2:15 for the week
Bike 3x per week: 1 x 2 hour, 2x1 hour. 4 hours for week
Run: 3-4x per week - 2x.5 hour, 1x.75, 1x long (up to 1:30) 4+ hours total
Weight train 2-3x per week

Running: build up slowly and add 10 minutes each week to the long run. You can run/walk too - this method works great.

If you can do the above, an Olympic will NOT be a problem.
2005-09-08 10:46 AM
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Ok one last question and I will leave you alone.

Run: 3-4x per week - 2x.5 hour, 1x.75, 1x long (up to 1:30) 4+ hours total
Weight train 2-3x per week
   What Zones should these runs be in.?

Thanks for all the help

Dave

2005-09-08 1:59 PM
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Dave

You aren't bothering me at all - this is what I do. :-)

Long run - Zone 1 - low Zone 2
Shorter runs - as high as the to of Zone 2
  • 75 run - mid Zone 2

  • 2005-09-08 3:17 PM
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    Wow...this thread rocks.

    Mike - here's my question:

    When training in the low heart rate zones, I'll occasionally spike the heart rate due to a hill.  Gearing down to my lowest gear and decreasing effort will still not keep me in Zone 2.  Should I worry about this???  Its typically only for a minute or two, but depending on the terrain, sometimes up to 5 mins.  How much does the occasional heart rate spike screw with your intended training?

    2005-09-08 3:30 PM
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    That's a good question. What I typically tell people is that going into Z3 (5 beats max over the top of Z2) is ok - but try to avoid it in base training. To combat it, I walk, yes - that's right. I walk up hills - my HR is the same so it's all good.

    Take the avg HR when you are done with the workout and see what it is. You should be in Z2, and if you are, then that's good. Your goal is to train your HR to work efficiently as possible in a certain range. Once you do that, your pace will increas at the same effort/HR.

    I hope this makes sense to you.


    2005-09-09 12:52 PM
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    Ok you ask for it.

    Today I did the run 8 min walk 2 min thing for a total of 70 min.  I tried to keep my HR around 132 during the run part it would some times slip to 125 and went as high as 137 there were a few florida hills. When I drop to a walk my hr would drop 33 points in the three min down to between 99 and 103.  My question is this good recovery? Is it letting my HR go to low?  I plan to keep adding a ten min block each time I do this then start to go 9 min run 1 min rest after I get to an hour and half.

    2005-09-09 7:42 PM
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    Don't change the 8/2 strategy, it works well.

    Are you walking fast on the recovery or walking like you are taking a walk in the park?

    Recovery HR is good. I want you to build up the time out there. Just keep working on that, no need to change anything.

    While you are lengthening the time of the long run, lengthen the time of you next longest run, and make that one a complete run workout, with no walking.
    2005-09-09 8:26 PM
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    just an easy  walk should i walk fast?
    2005-09-09 10:08 PM
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    I call it a 'brisk walk' - so not an easy stroll
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