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My running problem!  I get about 2 + minutes down the road and I can't breath, legs hurt and I start walking.  Yes my running (time) has increased.  I just thought I would be able to run longer than 2 minutes before I needed to start walking.

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TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-18 10:25 AM

My running problem!  I get about 2 + minutes down the road and I can't breath, legs hurt and I start walking.  Yes my running (time) has increased.  I just thought I would be able to run longer than 2 minutes before I needed to start walking.

Any thoughts???

Tom

Tom You said before i think that you wear a heart rate monitor right? It would be good to be comparing what your heart rate is at now at the two minute mark versus where it was at say a month ago. Our perceived exertion lies to us. Your body will tell you you are working the same when it isnt. It just feels "almost" like it did perhaps. But i agree you should definatley be able to run longer and longer UNLESS you are running faster. If you are in fact running faster than there is your improvement. If not faster then for sure you ought to be able to run for a longer time before needing to walk. But i assure you in one of these ways there has to be improvement. It just doesnt always "feel" like it.I gotta deep dive your logs. A bit just thinking out loud here in this reply.Im sure this will look like one big sentance due to me typing this on ipad. I hate that!! Alicia, Q You both use Ipad What do i need to do differently? Or do you have same issue. Format gets squashed when posting on bt
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TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-17 8:03 AM

Hi all,

I'm a little behind so Welcome to the new people to our group.  Great mix. Chantay, I'm amazed you can't swim and just learning.  Great job on your determination.

Shelly, you are my inspiration.  I looking forward to the day I can actually run the 5k without walking!

Q, I agree with Shelly about the spawn.  I agonized over my son's education.  The fact that you care to pursue the best you can is the difference that will show when they become adults.

So, first question.  My first sprint tri is on Apr 29th, 11 days away.  When do I stop training to rest for the even?  I want to swin on thursday, so I was skipping friday and saturday. 

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Tom again quick reply on my stupid format erasing ipad. Some of this is "listen to your body" You just want to dial down training minutes. As you get closer. Id probably go ahead swim on the friday and just rest on saturday. To me swim only =rest/easy day But id be running/cycling on the Thursday but less minutes than a typical training day. But life stress matters too so + or - Depending on how the week is going or expected to go, Tapering rule of thumb is to lower minutes of training But not intensity.
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oriolepwr - 2012-04-17 9:42 PM

I thought I would give y'all a picture of how I feel my training has gone this year!

Oh the humanity!     I have GOT to get serious.     Send help.... 

Hah, that's nothin. I can't decide between this:

And this:

Just trying to get some Chicago flavored disasters in there...

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TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-18 10:25 AM

My running problem!  I get about 2 + minutes down the road and I can't breath, legs hurt and I start walking.  Yes my running (time) has increased.  I just thought I would be able to run longer than 2 minutes before I needed to start walking.

Any thoughts???

Tom

Tom You said before i think that you wear a heart rate monitor right? It would be good to be comparing what your heart rate is at now at the two minute mark versus where it was at say a month ago. Our perceived exertion lies to us. Your body will tell you you are working the same when it isnt. It just feels "almost" like it did perhaps. But i agree you should definatley be able to run longer and longer UNLESS you are running faster. If you are in fact running faster than there is your improvement. If not faster then for sure you ought to be able to run for a longer time before needing to walk. But i assure you in one of these ways there has to be improvement. It just doesnt always "feel" like it.I gotta deep dive your logs. A bit just thinking out loud here in this reply.Im sure this will look like one big sentance due to me typing this on ipad. I hate that!! Alicia, Q You both use Ipad What do i need to do differently? Or do you have same issue. Format gets squashed when posting on bt


Dave,
Go to settings then forum settings and turn the rich editor off. That should fix the formatting problem. Took me months on here to learn that one.
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TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-18 10:25 AM

My running problem!  I get about 2 + minutes down the road and I can't breath, legs hurt and I start walking.  Yes my running (time) has increased.  I just thought I would be able to run longer than 2 minutes before I needed to start walking.

Any thoughts???

Tom



Tom,
I sooo can relate. I was right there last year. I did the c25k app on my iphone and when I first started each time the run time increased, I was totally convinced that I'd never be able to handle that amount of time. When it was 2min I was dying at the end of the two minutes, then it'd increase to 3 min and I'd think OMG no way can I go another minute longer but each time I'd do it. When it jumped to 5 minutes I thought I was truly going to pass out and die. I managed each time though and eventually I reached the point where I was running a full 30+ minutes. However, I never did reach the full 5k distance. I would just go out and run until I couldn't run anymore and the longest/ furthest I ever got was 2.87 miles in somewhere around 35-40 minutes. All that time though, I absolutely hated running. I literally would take each step and think I hate this, why am I even doing this, I hate it , hate it, hate it. I was only doing it to train for my sprint tri. Then it started to bug me that I was just so pitiful at running and hated it so much. I was determined not to let it get the best of me.
I started reading everything I could on running. I subscribed to runner's world, bought books, dvd's etc. all about run form, run training, beginner running, women's running etc, etc, etc. None of it made much difference but it did keep me running.

Then----- I went to a run clinic taught by Jeff Galloway. He teaches/ preaches the run walk method of running. The extremely quick version is you run a short time then take a walk break, run again, take a walk break. How long you run and how long you walk is determined by several factors including your fitness, goals, base time etc. He teaches though that you should always use run/walk. It was truly a life changing seminar for me. I now run 6- 7 miles on my long runs. I ran my first 10k a couple of Saturdays ago and it was my fastest time yet. I have taken 3-4 minutes off my 5k time and I can honestly I no longer hate running. I won't lie and say I love it, but I at least don't mind it.
I am even thinking I can do a half marathon next year. He swore at the clinic that anyone using his method would be faster and for me he was right. I highly recommend that you read one of his books. You can also look at his website. Now, the biggest thing to get used to was that it was ok to take walk breaks. It's not cheating.

Anyway, it truly is a better method for me and my heart issues and I am quite a bit faster (not fast by any stretch) than I ever was with straight running and I enjoy running soooo much more.
Just thought you might be interested.

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oriolepwr - 2012-04-17 9:42 PM

I thought I would give y'all a picture of how I feel my training has gone this year!

Oh the humanity!     I have GOT to get serious.     Send help.... 



LMAO- I can say the exact same thing for my swim and bike training- lol. I've been so focused on the running that the other two have been left by the wayside. This tri thing is becoming an issue. Who was the idiot who thought it would be a good thing to have to be really good and proficient at three different sports- huh- a fool I tell ya. And what does that say about me that I keep trying to do it- lol.
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fitmomma2010 - 2012-04-18 8:35 PM
oriolepwr - 2012-04-18 4:55 PM
TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-18 10:25 AM

My running problem!  I get about 2 + minutes down the road and I can't breath, legs hurt and I start walking.  Yes my running (time) has increased.  I just thought I would be able to run longer than 2 minutes before I needed to start walking.

Any thoughts???

Tom

Tom You said before i think that you wear a heart rate monitor right? It would be good to be comparing what your heart rate is at now at the two minute mark versus where it was at say a month ago. Our perceived exertion lies to us. Your body will tell you you are working the same when it isnt. It just feels "almost" like it did perhaps. But i agree you should definatley be able to run longer and longer UNLESS you are running faster. If you are in fact running faster than there is your improvement. If not faster then for sure you ought to be able to run for a longer time before needing to walk. But i assure you in one of these ways there has to be improvement. It just doesnt always "feel" like it.I gotta deep dive your logs. A bit just thinking out loud here in this reply.Im sure this will look like one big sentance due to me typing this on ipad. I hate that!! Alicia, Q You both use Ipad What do i need to do differently? Or do you have same issue. Format gets squashed when posting on bt
Dave, Go to settings then forum settings and turn the rich editor off. That should fix the formatting problem. Took me months on here to learn that one. Shelly

Ah thanks Shells  I will try that!

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TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-18 10:25 AM

My running problem!  I get about 2 + minutes down the road and I can't breath, legs hurt and I start walking.  Yes my running (time) has increased.  I just thought I would be able to run longer than 2 minutes before I needed to start walking.

Any thoughts???

Tom

Tom, I sooo can relate. I was right there last year. I did the c25k app on my iphone and when I first started each time the run time increased, I was totally convinced that I'd never be able to handle that amount of time. When it was 2min I was dying at the end of the two minutes, then it'd increase to 3 min and I'd think OMG no way can I go another minute longer but each time I'd do it. When it jumped to 5 minutes I thought I was truly going to pass out and die. I managed each time though and eventually I reached the point where I was running a full 30+ minutes. However, I never did reach the full 5k distance. I would just go out and run until I couldn't run anymore and the longest/ furthest I ever got was 2.87 miles in somewhere around 35-40 minutes. All that time though, I absolutely hated running. I literally would take each step and think I hate this, why am I even doing this, I hate it , hate it, hate it. I was only doing it to train for my sprint tri. Then it started to bug me that I was just so pitiful at running and hated it so much. I was determined not to let it get the best of me. I started reading everything I could on running. I subscribed to runner's world, bought books, dvd's etc. all about run form, run training, beginner running, women's running etc, etc, etc. None of it made much difference but it did keep me running. Then----- I went to a run clinic taught by Jeff Galloway. He teaches/ preaches the run walk method of running. The extremely quick version is you run a short time then take a walk break, run again, take a walk break. How long you run and how long you walk is determined by several factors including your fitness, goals, base time etc. He teaches though that you should always use run/walk. It was truly a life changing seminar for me. I now run 6- 7 miles on my long runs. I ran my first 10k a couple of Saturdays ago and it was my fastest time yet. I have taken 3-4 minutes off my 5k time and I can honestly I no longer hate running. I won't lie and say I love it, but I at least don't mind it. I am even thinking I can do a half marathon next year. He swore at the clinic that anyone using his method would be faster and for me he was right. I highly recommend that you read one of his books. You can also look at his website. Now, the biggest thing to get used to was that it was ok to take walk breaks. It's not cheating. Anyway, it truly is a better method for me and my heart issues and I am quite a bit faster (not fast by any stretch) than I ever was with straight running and I enjoy running soooo much more. Just thought you might be interested. Shelly

Shelly,

Thank you for your thoughts.  I have been doing somewhat like you described and I will look into the info you mentioned.  I don't mind walking and based on yours and Dave's comments I may be running to long before I start to walk, hence, I should start to walk 15 seconds sooner than I HAVE TO.  Then my walk should be shorter.  I keep trying different things and it seems that all the comments are agreeing with what I think I should be doing.

You are amazin'

Tom

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Hi All! Well, just got back from a short cruise to Bahamas Didn't eat too much or drink too much so that is good.  Brought my workout gear but only got one run in, on the ship on the jogging track, it was so windy my DH and I ended up sprinting into the wind on one side of the lap and walking the other side. Is that what they mean by wind sprints?!? LOL - if I tried to walk into the wind it would litterally blow me back soo sprinting seemed like the better choice, but talk about getting nowhere fast!

So, on a different note (not sure if it's positive or negative at this point) my work schedule has just been drastically reduced by powers that be.  I think it's going to give me a LOT more time to train Undecided so I guess I'll look at is as a positive!

Now it is time to knuckle down and get serious about training for upcoming events, maybe even seriously consider a longer distance for fall if I can get past my running issues. Of course, first things first, have to catch up on all the posts I missed while I was on my mini-vaca! Looks like we have some new folks, such inspiring stories, that's why I'm totally addicted to BT!

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trirun26 - 2012-04-12 9:35 AM

Hi everyone! Ok, as promised here is my bio Laughing

I am 44 and live in South Florida, "swamp land"! I am married, no kiddies...work with kiddies though..I am a pediatric Oncology nurse and love it! I have a super supportive hubby who is my cycling partner and manager of my cheering committe. We do have 2 large rescue dogs, 4 cats and a reef acquarium that is more work than all the animals put together!

I have been running since age 15! and have since done many marathons and races of all distances, some adventure races as well. I started doing triathlons about 9-10 years ago. On my second tri I actually got out of the swim  half way through (it was a 1/4 mile swim..lol) as I thought I was going to die!! I was so upset with my self for "quitting" that I made my mind to beat the fear of open water swimming....and I did! now my favorite part of the tri is the swim Wink

As of now I have completed many sprints, olympics, half IM distance and 2 full Ironmans!!! wooohooo...I am totally addicted!!

Last year one week after I finished Louisville IM I was diagnosed with cervical cancer, what a bummer that was! so I have since had surgery, chemo, radiation (I call it bleaching and microwaving now). I completed my treatment 2 months ago. I am now running, swimming and biking again...wooohooooo. Every day I feel stronger and better so my goal right now is to gain back the strength.

2012 goals: Olympic tri (2) in the summer, not sure which ones. Maybe a half IM towards the end of the year but definately Chicago Marathon (signed up and ready to have the pizza and beer that Dave promised us..lol).

2013.....IM....St George is on my bucket list Cool

I am so looking forward to this forum! learning from others and sharing our experiences....bring it on!

Sorry for this log bio...going running now....

Alicia

Alicia, welcome! What an inspiring bio! You have overcome so much and are still going! Can't wait to hear more about your progress!

Yvonne



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quincyf - 2012-04-13 6:13 PM

OMG, what was I supposed to be getting, wine? Oh dear, I forgot and drank it all and then fell asleep. Just woke up.

I am loving the usual suspects back for another round.

Just a catch up on where I'm at...first off, I am fatfatfat, and I just admitted it, so I'm going to be logging my intake and output, AGAIN and try to get back to a more reasonable level. I was deathly ill the week before our spring break trip to New Mexico, but managed to have fun anyway. I never really recovered though and this week my daughter came down with strep...so we're thinking that's what I have and why I can't get better so I'm going on antibiotics pronto.

I am still at war with my ortho who keeps forbidding me to run (and I keep defying him) but my PT and I get along great and I am getting a lot of ROM back and less pain and you know I just keep swinging my arm to see if I might be able to get away with a freestyle stroke. (Not yet, but I'm hopeful)

So got back from spring break and have had the week from hell...Dave can vouch for me that we have a cool setup in the city, but, frankly urban living can be exhausting, especially when it comes to kid stuff...I almost stroked out trying to get my kids into Park district camps...along with several thousands of my closest friends...this is the second time we have crashed active.com's servers...you would think they would have figured out how to keep that from happening, but no. SO two hours later I actually had some pretty good success and then moved on to project #2...deciding on where to send my kid to preschool. Ya, doesn't sound too hard, except, again, in Chicago, everything is super competitive and I have to choose between two options that I like and once I pick one, the other one is gone forever. It just makes you crazy. Every single decision seems so earth shattering.

And for those of you from the old group...I know I shared some about my worries about my son, and he has now been officially diagnosed with a language disorder/speech delay, hyperlexia (early reading), and mild autism. Whew. It's been a long, frustrating journey, but by the end of the week, we had some answers, some camps for summer, and a school situation figured out. Seriously I need a bubble bath and some MORE WINE!!!

And I am basically 20 weeks out from IM (which I still don't know if I will be able to do) so I need to pick a training plan and get some balance back into my life. NOW. And by balance I mean spending hours of my time S/B/R and ignoring some of the crap that's been driving me crazy while I've been injured. ;-).

So, any great ideas for a ultra beginner IM training plan. I've done Fink, and I've looked at the ones on BT. Anyone else have a great site they love, or book, or whatever?

 

Q, I have no advice but I'm glad you got the issues with your son worked out, major accomplishment there!

What is it with all the hoops parents have to go through with kids camps?!? I had to plan my whole summer in the first week of February, who wants to think about camps in February?!?!  And of course now, I want to change everything around and that's just impossible!

I will jump back on the training wagon with you! But not for IM Laughing IM and me do not belong in the same sentance, well at least not yet Wink

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Hi,

My name is Chantay, and I am a triathlon newbie, still in the process of learning to swim. I have been running short distances for 2-5mi for the last twenty years(military). Since retiring, I decided I wanted to try long distance. I trained for and competed one marathon last year. I have since decided to try a sprint triathlon, but realized I should learn how to swim first. Surprised   I started lessons in Feb. at the Y and I am working my way to the deep end.

Right now I am also training for the Ragnar relay from Madison to Chicago, so I run 4 times a week with a long run on Saturday. I start training for a half marathon in May but I plan to do a (pool) triathlon in July to "get my feet wet" and volunteer at the Pleasant Prairie tri since I obviously won't be ready for open water.  I would like to know what you think of the TI method and if it would help me learn faster. I have the DVD but must confess it's a little confusing to me. 

I am excited to be doing this and am ready to put in the work and have some fun along the way. 

Chantay

Welcome Chantay! I love your mantra 'faster I run, the faster I'm done' - I'm going to adopt that one

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quincyf - 2012-04-14 3:34 PM
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Ohhh....that's awesome!!!

Do you have watch 'Cougar Town' with Courtney Cox? They drink so much wine on that show, always makes me want some She has this glass she calls 'Big Carl' and it's really a hurricane candle holder so same concept, always makes me laugh when she breaks it out.  Somedays I wish I had a glass like that!

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I'm monopolizing the thread! LOL

Jacki - way to go on your Tri! You'll master the swim, keep trying! Can't believe you carried on and rocked that run time!!! IMPRESSIVE!

Todd - glad you're back - courageous for going for an IM - maybe one day I'll find that courage, but first I need to concentrate on being able to run three miles straight Wink

 

Tom - running is the hard part for me too, still working on it, good days and bad.  I did an 8k in March using 5min walk/2min run - I thought it worked really well.  Wasn't until the last couple of intervals that I started struggling a little.  My goal was to do it in under an hour and at mile 4 I realized I had to run the whole last mile to make it and I did! 59 minutes and change but I'm taking it! You'll find in a race environment you can do a little more, you'll get there.  I second the Galloway method, I did a 1/2 marathon a few more than a few years back and I did a 9min run/1 min walk and it worked well - wasn't fast but I got there!

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Tom,
I sooo can relate. I was right there last year. I did the c25k app on my iphone and when I first started each time the run time increased, I was totally convinced that I'd never be able to handle that amount of time. When it was 2min I was dying at the end of the two minutes, then it'd increase to 3 min and I'd think OMG no way can I go another minute longer but each time I'd do it. When it jumped to 5 minutes I thought I was truly going to pass out and die. I managed each time though and eventually I reached the point where I was running a full 30+ minutes. However, I never did reach the full 5k distance. I would just go out and run until I couldn't run anymore and the longest/ furthest I ever got was 2.87 miles in somewhere around 35-40 minutes. All that time though, I absolutely hated running. I literally would take each step and think I hate this, why am I even doing this, I hate it , hate it, hate it. I was only doing it to train for my sprint tri. Then it started to bug me that I was just so pitiful at running and hated it so much. I was determined not to let it get the best of me.
I started reading everything I could on running. I subscribed to runner's world, bought books, dvd's etc. all about run form, run training, beginner running, women's running etc, etc, etc. None of it made much difference but it did keep me running.

Then----- I went to a run clinic taught by Jeff Galloway. He teaches/ preaches the run walk method of running. The extremely quick version is you run a short time then take a walk break, run again, take a walk break. How long you run and how long you walk is determined by several factors including your fitness, goals, base time etc. He teaches though that you should always use run/walk. It was truly a life changing seminar for me. I now run 6- 7 miles on my long runs. I ran my first 10k a couple of Saturdays ago and it was my fastest time yet. I have taken 3-4 minutes off my 5k time and I can honestly I no longer hate running. I won't lie and say I love it, but I at least don't mind it.
I am even thinking I can do a half marathon next year. He swore at the clinic that anyone using his method would be faster and for me he was right. I highly recommend that you read one of his books. You can also look at his website. Now, the biggest thing to get used to was that it was ok to take walk breaks. It's not cheating.

 Shelly:  Your description of your running situation matches my swim situation EXACTLY.  I could have written that, but substitue "swim" for "run".  This Jeff Galloway you speak of...does he preach about swimming?  Or is there a similar approach for swimming?  During my panic attacks, I'm thinking "ok...never again, I quit. This isn't for me", etc.  In fact, on Sunday during my attack, I was actually thinking about this group and wondered, hmmmm, will they kick me out if I quite swimming and just bike and run?  Then as soon as my feet hit the deck of the pool and I started toward my bike, I thought, "dang it...I did it again, but I'm NOT quitting, how can I fix it?"...   Sigh...

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Hi everyone.  Well...it's done.  I'm kind of sad b/c the swim sucked...AGAIN...but the bike and run were good.  Here's a brief account of the swim...first 50 meters I felt great.  I was smooth and deliberate and actually though, I think I can do this.  Then, as I had to turn and go under the rope for the turn around for the 2nd 50, I had to stop amongst a group of people, which gave me just enough time to realize where I was and what I was doing.  Immediately my chest tightened up and within 4-5 strokes, BOOM...I couldn't breathe and the voice in my head that says 'I CAN'T DO THIS" repeatedly was there and loud.  Almost instantly I was hyperventilating!  I struggled and struggled through the rest of it...with an 8 people behind me almost dead last finish...with a sort of wierd crawl stroke and back stroke.  Anything to keep moving forward and keep my face out of the water.  At that point, I was breathing SO hard, I could not put my face in the water.  Just not possible!  I almost got out of the pool and quit twice.  BUT...I didn't!  I forced myself to do it and continued on.  So, that's progress of some kind b/c in my other Tri experiences, my friend Angela stood on the side of the pool and wouldn't let me quit.  So, this time I at least stopped myself from quitting.

Ugh!!  After all that, I did have a good bike and a good run!  I moved up 133 positions in the bike and another 128 positions in the run.  So I feel really great about that!  Best of all, after the unbelievable struggle with the swim and a hilly and WINDY bike that made me work HARD, I threw down 8:41 miles for the run...for a 26:03 time, which to quote Dave, I think is BAD !

My race report has more details, if you care to read them.  Still figuring out where my head is, though.  I look at the overall result times and realize that if I could A-stop having anxiety attacks during the swim and B-find a way to swim faster (when I'm not panicking), I could have a really good time.  That's motivating.  BUT...I don't know how to overcome the swim anxiety.  It's not tied to training, I'm convinced of that.  I'm not going to say I like the swim training, but I can easily swim 1000 yards or meters and not have the anxiety issues I have on race day.  It's a race situation problem and that's hard to simulate.  So...I have to figure out what to do next and if/how I'm going to get past it.  Would love to hear your thoughts!

First congrats!  I know how hard that is to dig deep and compete after an experience like that!   You salvaged the race and learned much valuable info about yourself  plus race logistics etc.    Proud of you! 

Question:  when you are swim training in the pool,  are there others in the lane with you?  do you avoid that?   It sounds to me   ** insert "Dave" disclaimer here**    like your anxiety is less about actually swimming, and more about the pressure of staying ahead of the people behind you.   I think overcoming the pressure of maintaining a faster pace than you feel you are able is what is getting to you.     I do also feel that "pressure"  as a slower swimmer  when others are in the lane with me.

   No matter how fast you get, you will still feel some anxiety about this.    So perhaps the answer is just to face it in training more.    Typically, much swimming is typically done solo in a lane.    I would encourage you to TRY and look for "opportunities"  to share swim lanes.    Go to the pool at the busiest of times knowing you are looking for lane company.  

Congrats again, and throwing down that run is definitely  BadA$$     

/QUOTE]

Dave...thanks for the advice.  I think I will try that.  I avoid situations in training that involve someone in my lane.  I've done it once or twice, but only with an old man that I call "Flipper" b/c he wears flippers and he swims much slower than me, so it's not intimidating.  I think I can get DH and a training partner of his to do some exercises with me that involve them swimming in my lane, getting in my way, to try to simulate that environment.  I just don't know what else to do.  It's not my level of fitness, it's not my stroke (it's not great, but it's not the problem)...it's def in my head.  I heard a commercial on the radio the other day about a hypnosis center that helps people stop smoking or lose weight.  I thought...maybe they can help me!  LOL...crazy, right?!  Maybe...maybe not!!  I;m desperate!

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 Shelly:  Your description of your running situation matches my swim situation EXACTLY.  I could have written that, but substitue "swim" for "run".  This Jeff Galloway you speak of...does he preach about swimming?  Or is there a similar approach for swimming?  During my panic attacks, I'm thinking "ok...never again, I quit. This isn't for me", etc.  In fact, on Sunday during my attack, I was actually thinking about this group and wondered, hmmmm, will they kick me out if I quite swimming and just bike and run?  Then as soon as my feet hit the deck of the pool and I started toward my bike, I thought, "dang it...I did it again, but I'm NOT quitting, how can I fix it?"...   Sigh...

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Jacki,
I wish he did cause I have similar issues as you in the swim, and mine is definitely mental as well. For me the pool isn't an issue and I can do pool swim tris without any issues- well I think I can- I've done a couple training swim simulations with a master's class and had no issues whatsoever. I also frequently swim with three people in a lane and we have a group training for some longer distance tris that will practice snake swims and racing. I've never had any trouble with any of that. And during those I can swim 400m in less than 8 minutes, 600m in about 11-12 min. So I'm slow but steady. Put me in an OWS and it's all bets off. My first tri took me 16 minutes to swim 400m and my second took me 22 minutes to swim 600 min. Both times it was because I just would get all panicky and just have to turn over on my back. In the pool I swim 500m or more totally nonstop and in OWS I don't get 50-75 before I feel like I need a break. Who knows. I just keep thinking each time it's going to be better next time, and my second time was actually faster per 100m than my first. It's crazy though.

I will say that what changed my pool swimming was four months of lessons with a coach that taught along the lines of TI. He was a huge proponent of most of the TI program. It made a huge difference in my pool swimming and I can't even imagine having attempted an OWS without having learned it. It was worth every penny and every ounce of time- the classes were an hour+, four times a week.

Wish I had a magic solution for both of us,

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So excited. I finally bit the bullet and became a real member of BT. Well a performance member that is- and no I don't really believe that those who still only use the free membership aren't real members:-). I just finally decided I wanted to get a little more technical with my training especially since I have the Garmin 910. I figured getting a performance membership would be a good start. Next I'm going to do some type of field testing to determine my correct heart rate zones, and then I plan to start training according to heart rate. I'm hoping to one day get a little better than snail pace lol.
Anyway, I just love seeing my little silver medal by my user name. Amazing what little things make us happy huh? I already feel faster- hehe. If only it were that easy.

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Ok so I am sooooo loving this performance membership. I did my lactate threshold field test on the bike today. Not only am I really really happy with my speed but being able to upload the workout straight from my 910 to BT was Awesome!

The test itself was pretty close to pass out and die but I actually rode an average of 16.4 mph for over 30 minutes. That is really great for me. Usually I'm lucky if I get 15.2- 15.4 mph avg and that is pushing it. My sweating but still can talk some rides have usually only been around 13-14 ish mph so today was awesome to see those speeds. Maybe the spin classes are really starting to pay off.

I am also sooo excited about having as close to true as I'm going to get heart rate zones. I just think my training will be much smarter now. So in case you can't tell- I'm just really stoked about all of this again. I also signed up for two races today- Yay. I have finally kicked my tri butt back in gear.

May the legs be with us,

Shelly

P.S. And where is everyone? Hopefully out SBR ing- lol.
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fitmomma2010 - 2012-04-20 11:21 PM Ok so I am sooooo loving this performance membership. I did my lactate threshold field test on the bike today. Not only am I really really happy with my speed but being able to upload the workout straight from my 910 to BT was Awesome! The test itself was pretty close to pass out and die but I actually rode an average of 16.4 mph for over 30 minutes. That is really great for me. Usually I'm lucky if I get 15.2- 15.4 mph avg and that is pushing it. My sweating but still can talk some rides have usually only been around 13-14 ish mph so today was awesome to see those speeds. Maybe the spin classes are really starting to pay off. I am also sooo excited about having as close to true as I'm going to get heart rate zones. I just think my training will be much smarter now. So in case you can't tell- I'm just really stoked about all of this again. I also signed up for two races today- Yay. I have finally kicked my tri butt back in gear. May the legs be with us, Shelly P.S. And where is everyone? Hopefully out SBR ing- lol.

 

Pass out and die pace!  I love it!   Yeah those are fun.          Nice to see you so stoked!  

As for where I have been....  

It's best to not ask too many questions......   (Just kidding)

Been working a lot of hours lately.   Also we are in the process of adopting a ex-racing Greyhound!   We went to a class this morning on how to incorporate and transition a racer into a pet.     Also  we have already had one that we wanted adopted before we could!   Boo!       Now there is another that we have set our sights on  and we go to the kennel next weekend.   Two other families have appointments before us and can pick before we do.   Met one of those families (really nice people)  and found they also want the same one we want.  Oh no!  I told the girls to NOT say anything to them about wanting the same one.  SO we will see     The dog also needs to pick US! at the kennel.   If the dog wants nothing to do with us, we have to choose another.   They are really picky about where/who these dogs get placed.        Anyhow this whole thing has been preoccupying me a bit as I study up,  been talking to people, and attending meet and greets etc. 

"May the legs be with us!"



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DaDooRunRun - 2012-04-15 4:02 PM

Hi everyone.  Well...it's done.  I'm kind of sad b/c the swim sucked...AGAIN...but the bike and run were good.  Here's a brief account of the swim...first 50 meters I felt great.  I was smooth and deliberate and actually though, I think I can do this.  Then, as I had to turn and go under the rope for the turn around for the 2nd 50, I had to stop amongst a group of people, which gave me just enough time to realize where I was and what I was doing.  Immediately my chest tightened up and within 4-5 strokes, BOOM...I couldn't breathe and the voice in my head that says 'I CAN'T DO THIS" repeatedly was there and loud.  Almost instantly I was hyperventilating!  I struggled and struggled through the rest of it...with an 8 people behind me almost dead last finish...with a sort of wierd crawl stroke and back stroke.  Anything to keep moving forward and keep my face out of the water.  At that point, I was breathing SO hard, I could not put my face in the water.  Just not possible!  I almost got out of the pool and quit twice.  BUT...I didn't!  I forced myself to do it and continued on.  So, that's progress of some kind b/c in my other Tri experiences, my friend Angela stood on the side of the pool and wouldn't let me quit.  So, this time I at least stopped myself from quitting.

Ugh!!  After all that, I did have a good bike and a good run!  I moved up 133 positions in the bike and another 128 positions in the run.  So I feel really great about that!  Best of all, after the unbelievable struggle with the swim and a hilly and WINDY bike that made me work HARD, I threw down 8:41 miles for the run...for a 26:03 time, which to quote Dave, I think is BAD !

My race report has more details, if you care to read them.  Still figuring out where my head is, though.  I look at the overall result times and realize that if I could A-stop having anxiety attacks during the swim and B-find a way to swim faster (when I'm not panicking), I could have a really good time.  That's motivating.  BUT...I don't know how to overcome the swim anxiety.  It's not tied to training, I'm convinced of that.  I'm not going to say I like the swim training, but I can easily swim 1000 yards or meters and not have the anxiety issues I have on race day.  It's a race situation problem and that's hard to simulate.  So...I have to figure out what to do next and if/how I'm going to get past it.  Would love to hear your thoughts!

First congrats!  I know how hard that is to dig deep and compete after an experience like that!   You salvaged the race and learned much valuable info about yourself  plus race logistics etc.    Proud of you! 

Question:  when you are swim training in the pool,  are there others in the lane with you?  do you avoid that?   It sounds to me   ** insert "Dave" disclaimer here**    like your anxiety is less about actually swimming, and more about the pressure of staying ahead of the people behind you.   I think overcoming the pressure of maintaining a faster pace than you feel you are able is what is getting to you.     I do also feel that "pressure"  as a slower swimmer  when others are in the lane with me.

   No matter how fast you get, you will still feel some anxiety about this.    So perhaps the answer is just to face it in training more.    Typically, much swimming is typically done solo in a lane.    I would encourage you to TRY and look for "opportunities"  to share swim lanes.    Go to the pool at the busiest of times knowing you are looking for lane company.  

Congrats again, and throwing down that run is definitely  BadA$$     

/QUOTE]

Dave...thanks for the advice.  I think I will try that.  I avoid situations in training that involve someone in my lane.  I've done it once or twice, but only with an old man that I call "Flipper" b/c he wears flippers and he swims much slower than me, so it's not intimidating.  I think I can get DH and a training partner of his to do some exercises with me that involve them swimming in my lane, getting in my way, to try to simulate that environment.  I just don't know what else to do.  It's not my level of fitness, it's not my stroke (it's not great, but it's not the problem)...it's def in my head.  I heard a commercial on the radio the other day about a hypnosis center that helps people stop smoking or lose weight.  I thought...maybe they can help me!  LOL...crazy, right?!  Maybe...maybe not!!  I;m desperate!

Jax  maybe tell "flipper" what you are trying to accomplish hee hee   maybe he can help you "train like you race"    Quincy posted this on the first tour, but this is one vid you need to see again!       

Train like you race-cliff bar commercial

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I thought I would give y'all a picture of how I feel my training has gone this year!

Oh the humanity!     I have GOT to get serious.     Send help.... 

Hah, that's nothin. I can't decide between this:

And this:

Just trying to get some Chicago flavored disasters in there...

Frack!  We do have many Chicago disasters to choose from do we not??   ha ha

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Okay. Tomorrow is crunch time! Must get back on track! Going to try and join a beginner group ride as I need some serious help on the bike!
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Hi Everyone, I would love to join your group. Smile 

Three things jumped out at me as I started to read this forum.

1. Dave, I am also injury plagued runner turning to triathlons. So, I need help.

2. My first Triathlon is going to be the Racine HIM, yes I know, I'm crazy, but I need a goal to keep me going. So reading that so many of you have either raced Racine or are signed up for 2012 is awesome.

3. Fitmomma, I love that you mentioned the Hash House Harriers motto, "A Drinking Club with a Running Problem!"  If you like to have fun, I would highly recommend the Red Dress Run. They have one in every large city. Imagine, 200, 300, 500 men and women in their favorite red dress on a pub crawl! No, this is not for any cause, it's just all about having fun and being silly. 

I will add my bio soon, Thanks Turner 100 (Rob)

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