pres debate #2 (Page 4)

<tuwood opinion>

Obama certainly did a lot better, but he still fell pretty short.

Most certainly didn't deliver any knock out punches that would erase his losses.

</tuwood opinion>

Round 2 goes to President Obama.  This was a clear victory.  The next debate will be the rubber match.  

Great debate.

Liar liar pants on fire is a great debate?

you forgot the red font.  :-P  (just messing with you)

I think Romney's 3 minutes on Obama's economic record were absolutely devastating.

What was new about that though?  Think about the most emotional exchange...Romney clearly making a mistake on Libya.  Romney only bolstered Obama's strength as commander in chief.

Even George Will agreed Libya was a tactical victory for the president...and the "self-deportation" Romney talking point is a terrible use of words by Romney.

Interesting to note when Biden interrupted Ryan, he was rude...but when Romney did it,.....crickets chirping on the Right.  

I did find it very interesting, Romney was very eager to interrupt when it came to questions on the economy...social issues, not so much. 

The Libya issue was a huge negative for Mitt.  

Could somebody please tell me what action Obama took to end the war in Iraq... please just one action he actually took.

I can't for the life of me figure out how he get's a pass on that.

Personally I found most of the debate mind numbing. Both are complete liars, both are loose with the facts, both are disrespectful sitting there fighting when they are supposed to be answering questions from the audience... both completely off topic when it suited them... and a moderator that did absolutely nothing to moderate. Very uneven on when she felt like interjecting herself. Not really saying she was biased... just inconsistent and had no control from the start.

To me it was a draw... and for Obama supporters to just burst out in joy that he just sleighed the dragon only shows how completely he was destroyed in the first debate.

I loved that Biden interrupted Ryan, it's what won the debate for Ryan.  

The part that gets my panties in a wad is the moderator's jumping in.  Ryan had 2v1 and Romney had 2v1.

I agree Romney wiffed on Libya. 

4 Americans didn't die from Romney's mistake.

CBS News ‏@CBSNews

BREAKING: CBS NEWS INSTANT POLL Who won debate? OBAMA: 37%; ROMNEY: 30%, TIE: 33% (Margin of Error: 4 pts.)

But check out this part: (this election is about the economy period and Obama is losing that argument horribly)

CBS News ‏@CBSNews

RT @CharlieKayeCBS: In the @CBSNews Instant Poll, 65% say Romney won on the issue of the economy. 34% say Obama won on the economy.

At least the Democrats I know were willing to admit their loss in the 1st debate.  

btw, Crowley clearly had more control over this debate than Lehrer did in his.

On that my friend, we agree.  

That's the point, when Chris Mathews says he got pounded.. "a loss" is an understatement. There was nothing else to call it unless you like arguing the sky is not blue.

Tonight...it's a draw. Both sides will have plenty of reasons for declaring victory... that is a draw. It is not a pounding like last week. There is no "clear" winner.... no matter how much Obama supporters want one. Both sides won points.

Nothing but talking points and jabs....

Obama and Romneys tax rate....YOU HAD 4 YEARS TO FIX THAT!

Obama... we have enough pipeline to go around the world... WTF is that supposed to mean?

And coal is up... WTF!!! he most certainly is trying to put it out of business... I'm in it. That wind power plant in Colorado he mentioned... ya, they laid off 2/3 of their work force because the credits ended and nobody is putting in orders. I have friends that work there and they have no idea how much longer.

Romney just makes me mad he is a right wing conservative bill board when that actually isn't what he is. Yes he is conservative, but not the panderer he is to the base like he has been in the campaign. In fact he was against abortion all along, he just said he would "fight for a woman's right to choose" as Governor... and that is what he did... he didn't try to do anything against it. Sad though this is what one has to do to get the (R) nomination..... but ya... Romney wants to take away women access to health care.

I think the women's issue is pretty different and pretty clear. One will help you pay for your birth control pills and pay for your abortions the other one will create jobs so that women can have their own money to spend on whatever they want.

Wonderful...so, to take that point to its logical conclusion, those at the bottom of the socio-economic scale will be the most likely to have children they can not afford to raise themselves.  Great!  Sounds like a real money-saver.

Are you trying to say that one supports a womans right to have the government pay for her choices, and one supports a woman's rights?

Why do you hate women?

The problem with the opposite ends of the political spectrum is that they think their idea is the ONLY solution. You seem to be saying that a woman that can't afford to have children.... is only left with the one option of getting pregnant and then aborting that. there are actual much cheaper ways to handle that problem... heck there are actually free ways to handle that problem and ones that needs no permission or support from anyone else.

So those women at the bottom end....the ones most likely to have children they can't afford...they are going to be responsible enough to take birth control, paid for or not?  Got it.  As someone who has spent a great deal of time around those women.....I can say without a shadow of doubt...access to birth control will do NOTHING to change the number of kids they have....forget about it.  That's just one of those "feel good" points.....it's not valid...in fact, it's ridiculous.