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He just can't stop himself.

And this is the guy that claims he will bring dignity back to the White House?!?!?!

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-swastika-tweet-2015-11

this made me lol.  Not what he re-tweeted, but that his detractors are trying to make it into something.  Can't beat him on the issues, so have to go with the retweets.  You do realize that when you're mentioned on a tweet with an image attached it typically shows up with just the text.  You have to click into it in order to see the image.  In other words, trump retweeted the text "adios jeb, aka jose'" as did thousands of other people.  so scandalous. 

I almost feel sorry for the DNC this time around.  They truly have no shot at the White House no matter who makes it through the Republican primaries because of how poorly Obama has done.



2015-11-04 9:35 AM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by crowny2

He just can't stop himself.

And this is the guy that claims he will bring dignity back to the White House?!?!?!

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-swastika-tweet-2015-11

this made me lol.  Not what he re-tweeted, but that his detractors are trying to make it into something.  Can't beat him on the issues, so have to go with the retweets.  You do realize that when you're mentioned on a tweet with an image attached it typically shows up with just the text.  You have to click into it in order to see the image.  In other words, trump retweeted the text "adios jeb, aka jose'" as did thousands of other people.  so scandalous. 

I almost feel sorry for the DNC this time around.  They truly have no shot at the White House no matter who makes it through the Republican primaries because of how poorly Obama has done.

the bolded makes no sense to me.... I think the dems look better every day as the republican primary starts to resemble a high school government election.  Silly slogan, tweeting, and namecalling on the one side.  Polite discourse about the issues on the other side.

2015-11-04 9:43 AM
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Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by crowny2

He just can't stop himself.

And this is the guy that claims he will bring dignity back to the White House?!?!?!

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-swastika-tweet-2015-11

this made me lol.  Not what he re-tweeted, but that his detractors are trying to make it into something.  Can't beat him on the issues, so have to go with the retweets.  You do realize that when you're mentioned on a tweet with an image attached it typically shows up with just the text.  You have to click into it in order to see the image.  In other words, trump retweeted the text "adios jeb, aka jose'" as did thousands of other people.  so scandalous. 

I almost feel sorry for the DNC this time around.  They truly have no shot at the White House no matter who makes it through the Republican primaries because of how poorly Obama has done.

the bolded makes no sense to me.... I think the dems look better every day as the republican primary starts to resemble a high school government election.  Silly slogan, tweeting, and namecalling on the one side.  Polite discourse about the issues on the other side.

How many people are showing up at Hillary's rallies?   um, yeah that's right she's not having any because nobody likes her.  lol
Even the Huffpo is posting articles of concern.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/is-hillary-unelectableand_b_8051422.html

Are the Democrats about to do what the Republicans did with Bob Dole in 1996 and with Mitt Romney in 2012? Lose a winnable Presidential election by nominating the candidate who's "next in line," but isn't much liked by the voters? That could well be the case with Hillary Clinton or, worse yet, with Joe Biden.

Ask yourself this: Are there very many people, outside of Emily's list, who are really excited about Hillary for President?

2015-11-04 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by crowny2

He just can't stop himself.

And this is the guy that claims he will bring dignity back to the White House?!?!?!

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-swastika-tweet-2015-11

this made me lol.  Not what he re-tweeted, but that his detractors are trying to make it into something.  Can't beat him on the issues, so have to go with the retweets.  You do realize that when you're mentioned on a tweet with an image attached it typically shows up with just the text.  You have to click into it in order to see the image.  In other words, trump retweeted the text "adios jeb, aka jose'" as did thousands of other people.  so scandalous. 

I almost feel sorry for the DNC this time around.  They truly have no shot at the White House no matter who makes it through the Republican primaries because of how poorly Obama has done.

the bolded makes no sense to me.... I think the dems look better every day as the republican primary starts to resemble a high school government election.  Silly slogan, tweeting, and namecalling on the one side.  Polite discourse about the issues on the other side.

How many people are showing up at Hillary's rallies?   um, yeah that's right she's not having any because nobody likes her.  lol
Even the Huffpo is posting articles of concern.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/is-hillary-unelectableand_b_8051422.html

Are the Democrats about to do what the Republicans did with Bob Dole in 1996 and with Mitt Romney in 2012? Lose a winnable Presidential election by nominating the candidate who's "next in line," but isn't much liked by the voters? That could well be the case with Hillary Clinton or, worse yet, with Joe Biden.

Ask yourself this: Are there very many people, outside of Emily's list, who are really excited about Hillary for President?




I wouldn't go to a Hillary rally, because I'm not a huge fan of hers, as I've said. But no way am I voting for Trump. And there are lots of people-- millions of people--who feel the same way. I suppose I could be wrong, but I don't think I am: I think you vastly overestimate how popular Trump is. He's a curiosity. No one, even the people who like him, like you, can say with any degree of certainty what kind of leader he'll be or what his plan is or how he intends to tackle the most important issues. He still hasn't gone into much detail about how he plans to govern other than some really broad, vague talking points designed to garner applause and embarrass his GOP rivals. This is a guy with ZERO experience in public service, mind you. None. I think people are excited about what he brings to the table in terms of energy and (to use Palin's favorite term) "Maverick-ness" but I think there are lots and lots of people who will think long and hard about the implications of "President Trump" before they pull the lever. All signs point to the US devolving into an oligarchy eventually, but it won't be in 2016.

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I see Dave's point. The RNC was put in a position to take the WH without breaking a sweat. I think it is important to point out 'put in a position' real quick here. I say 'put in a position' because they had absolutely nothing to do with it. They could have coasted on into the WH riding on the past 12 years of democrat failures. Except the couldn't just let the primary process alone could they. And they just had to pour their $$$ behind the unelectable, Jebster Bushie. The polls didn't lie or waiver from day one; Republican voters DO NOT WANT JEB BUSH. Then they set up a debate schedule that will be used by the left to make their candidates look bad. WTF were they thinking by allowing CNN, CSPAN and the networks to host these debates. CNN gets 3 of them, really? Didn't they remember what Candy did to Romney last time? Look at the DNC and their debate schedule. CNN, MSNBC and then Moveon.org. I'm sure the Moveon debate will get to the bottom of serious issues like whether Hillary prefers the dress or the pantsuit. Point is the DNC has complete control of how all their debates will be held. What questions will be asked and who 'moderate' this carefully crafted display. The RNC is being controlled by a bunch of incompetent morons and I hope they enjoy watching Hillary coast into the WH in 2016. Because they are doing everything in their control to help her get there. They're just too fvpking stupid to realize it.

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2015-11-04 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by mdg2003 I see Dave's point. The RNC was put in a position to take the WH without breaking a sweat. I think it is important to point out 'put in a position' real quick here. I say 'put in a position' because they had absolutely nothing to do with it. They could have coasted on into the WH riding on the past 12 years of democrat failures. Except the couldn't just let the primary process alone could they. And they just had to pour their $$$ behind the unelectable, Jebster Bushie. The polls didn't lie or waiver from day one; Republican voters DO NOT WANT JEB BUSH. Then they set up a debate schedule that will be used by the left to make their candidates look bad. WTF were they thinking by allowing CNN, CSPAN and the networks to host these debates. CNN gets 3 of them, really? Didn't they remember what Candy did to Romney last time? Look at the DNC and their debate schedule. CNN, MSNBC and then Moveon.org. I'm sure the Moveon debate will get to the bottom of serious issues like whether Hillary prefers the dress or the pantsuit. Point is the DNC has complete control of how all their debates will be held. What questions will be asked and who 'moderate' this carefully crafted display. The RNC is being controlled by a bunch of incompetent morons and I hope they enjoy watching Hillary coast into the WH in 2016. Because they are doing everything in their control to help her get there. They're just too fvpking stupid to realize it.

I agree with this, except I think the moderators asked the dems harder questions than anyone gives them credit for. The dems just didn't b*tch and moan about it.



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oh and could someone tell Trump to stop wearing the ball cap with a suit. It makes him look as stupid as Kerry did with that silly rust colored canvas trucker jacket. I honestly expect him to come out with it on backwards ( the ball cap )in the near future. At that point we can be guaranteed at least 4 more years with President Clinton.
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Originally posted by mdg2003 I see Dave's point. The RNC was put in a position to take the WH without breaking a sweat. I think it is important to point out 'put in a position' real quick here. I say 'put in a position' because they had absolutely nothing to do with it. They could have coasted on into the WH riding on the past 12 years of democrat failures. Except the couldn't just let the primary process alone could they. And they just had to pour their $$$ behind the unelectable, Jebster Bushie. The polls didn't lie or waiver from day one; Republican voters DO NOT WANT JEB BUSH. Then they set up a debate schedule that will be used by the left to make their candidates look bad. WTF were they thinking by allowing CNN, CSPAN and the networks to host these debates. CNN gets 3 of them, really? Didn't they remember what Candy did to Romney last time? Look at the DNC and their debate schedule. CNN, MSNBC and then Moveon.org. I'm sure the Moveon debate will get to the bottom of serious issues like whether Hillary prefers the dress or the pantsuit. Point is the DNC has complete control of how all their debates will be held. What questions will be asked and who 'moderate' this carefully crafted display. The RNC is being controlled by a bunch of incompetent morons and I hope they enjoy watching Hillary coast into the WH in 2016. Because they are doing everything in their control to help her get there. They're just too fvpking stupid to realize it.

I agree with this, except I think the moderators asked the dems harder questions than anyone gives them credit for. The dems just didn't b*tch and moan about it.




What, like fluid dynamics or quantum theory?
2015-11-04 12:09 PM
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I would vote for Trump looooong before I would vote for Clinton.

2015-11-04 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn
Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by crowny2

He just can't stop himself.

And this is the guy that claims he will bring dignity back to the White House?!?!?!

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jeb-bush-swastika-tweet-2015-11

this made me lol.  Not what he re-tweeted, but that his detractors are trying to make it into something.  Can't beat him on the issues, so have to go with the retweets.  You do realize that when you're mentioned on a tweet with an image attached it typically shows up with just the text.  You have to click into it in order to see the image.  In other words, trump retweeted the text "adios jeb, aka jose'" as did thousands of other people.  so scandalous. 

I almost feel sorry for the DNC this time around.  They truly have no shot at the White House no matter who makes it through the Republican primaries because of how poorly Obama has done.

the bolded makes no sense to me.... I think the dems look better every day as the republican primary starts to resemble a high school government election.  Silly slogan, tweeting, and namecalling on the one side.  Polite discourse about the issues on the other side.

How many people are showing up at Hillary's rallies?   um, yeah that's right she's not having any because nobody likes her.  lol
Even the Huffpo is posting articles of concern.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/is-hillary-unelectableand_b_8051422.html

Are the Democrats about to do what the Republicans did with Bob Dole in 1996 and with Mitt Romney in 2012? Lose a winnable Presidential election by nominating the candidate who's "next in line," but isn't much liked by the voters? That could well be the case with Hillary Clinton or, worse yet, with Joe Biden.

Ask yourself this: Are there very many people, outside of Emily's list, who are really excited about Hillary for President?

I wouldn't go to a Hillary rally, because I'm not a huge fan of hers, as I've said. But no way am I voting for Trump. And there are lots of people-- millions of people--who feel the same way. I suppose I could be wrong, but I don't think I am: I think you vastly overestimate how popular Trump is. He's a curiosity. No one, even the people who like him, like you, can say with any degree of certainty what kind of leader he'll be or what his plan is or how he intends to tackle the most important issues. He still hasn't gone into much detail about how he plans to govern other than some really broad, vague talking points designed to garner applause and embarrass his GOP rivals. This is a guy with ZERO experience in public service, mind you. None. I think people are excited about what he brings to the table in terms of energy and (to use Palin's favorite term) "Maverick-ness" but I think there are lots and lots of people who will think long and hard about the implications of "President Trump" before they pull the lever. All signs point to the US devolving into an oligarchy eventually, but it won't be in 2016.

I think I'm actually underestimating trump a little because i've been curiously following him from the beginning and warming more and more over the weeks.  I get to see a lot of the Iowa events being in a neighbor state to Iowa and the level of excitement around Trump is as much or more than it was for Obama in 2008.  Obama had far less qualifications to be president in 2008, but the enthusiasm carried him to the White House.  McCain wasn't a terrible candidate, but the voter enthusiasm for a game changer like Obama was impossible to overcome.

With Trump, there is every bit as much excitement for him and he's going up against one of the worst candidates ever to run for office.  Yes, she will get a lot of votes but McCain and Romney also got a lot of votes and we know how well that worked out.

Obviously time will tell and anything can happen, but you guys have to realize that the country as a whole is not on board with the agenda of the out of touch Democratic Party.  BTW, the same can be said for the out of touch GOP party, hence we have Trump.

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Originally posted by Left Brain

I would vote for Trump looooong before I would vote for Clinton.

Amen to that



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I would vote for Trump looooong before I would vote for Clinton.

Amen to that




I held my nose and voted for McClown. I could do it if I had to. Count me in.
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 Obama had far less qualifications to be president in 2008..




Far less than McCain/Romney or far less than Trump? Or both?
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Originally posted by mdg2003 I see Dave's point. The RNC was put in a position to take the WH without breaking a sweat. I think it is important to point out 'put in a position' real quick here. I say 'put in a position' because they had absolutely nothing to do with it. They could have coasted on into the WH riding on the past 12 years of democrat failures. Except the couldn't just let the primary process alone could they. And they just had to pour their $$$ behind the unelectable, Jebster Bushie. The polls didn't lie or waiver from day one; Republican voters DO NOT WANT JEB BUSH. Then they set up a debate schedule that will be used by the left to make their candidates look bad. WTF were they thinking by allowing CNN, CSPAN and the networks to host these debates. CNN gets 3 of them, really? Didn't they remember what Candy did to Romney last time? Look at the DNC and their debate schedule. CNN, MSNBC and then Moveon.org. I'm sure the Moveon debate will get to the bottom of serious issues like whether Hillary prefers the dress or the pantsuit. Point is the DNC has complete control of how all their debates will be held. What questions will be asked and who 'moderate' this carefully crafted display. The RNC is being controlled by a bunch of incompetent morons and I hope they enjoy watching Hillary coast into the WH in 2016. Because they are doing everything in their control to help her get there. They're just too fvpking stupid to realize it.

I agree with this, except I think the moderators asked the dems harder questions than anyone gives them credit for. The dems just didn't b*tch and moan about it.

What, like fluid dynamics or quantum theory?

 

ETA: They freakin asked bernie how he could possibly be elected calling himself a socialist

No, like this:

Hillary Clinton

Madam Secretary, last week you announced your opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, arguing that the pact failed to meet your taste of creating American jobs, boosting wages, and promoting American national security. Yet as Secretary of State in 2012, you championed TPP as “the gold standard in trade agreements,” specifically citing its protections for workers, wages, and American strategic interests.   

During your tenure as Secretary, you also advocated for the U.S. free trade agreements with Colombia and South Korea, both of which you fiercely opposed during your 2008 campaign. In that race, you also, along with then-Sen. Obama, called for a renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, although it emerged that your campaign, like Obama’s, met privately to tell Canadian officials that your campaign-stump skepticism of NAFTA should be taken “with a grain of salt.”

This came just eight years after you expressed concerns about NAFTA during your 2000 Senate campaign — only to praise the agreement in your 2003 memoir.

Given your record of saying one thing about free trade agreements while you’re campaigning  and doing another while in office, why should Democratic voters trust your latest word on TPP?

Bernie Sanders

Sen. Sanders, you’ve attracted an impassioned following with your call for a “political revolution” against the “billionaire class,” a call which resonates deeply amid widespread anxiety over economic inequality and a growing sense that the deck is stacked against working and middle class families.

Leading that revolution has become the raison d’etre of your campaign, and you’ve also proposed massive investments in health, education, jobs, and infrastructure as a means of improving the economic lot of ordinary Americans.

But while domestic and economic issues are at the forefront of many voters’ minds, the next president will confront a host of international problems, from the long-brewing to the unforeseen. And though you have touted your opposition to the war in Iraq, foreign policy issues have received relatively short shrift during your campaign.

 

So, Sen. Sanders, what do you see as the three most pressing strategic challenges facing America in the world, and how do you propose the country meets them?

Martin O’Malley

Gov. O’Malley, in an implicit jab at Secretary Clinton, you have declared that “Triangulation is not a strategy that will move America forward. History celebrates profiles in courage, not profiles in convenience.”

Accordingly, you have sounded strongly progressive notes on issues like Wall Street reform, criminal justice, TPP, and income inequality. But eight years ago, you not only endorsed then-Sen. Clinton for president; you also co-authored a Washington Post op-ed arguing that the Democratic Party should adhere to the centrist agenda laid out by President Bill Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council, rather than embrace a more progressive vision.

As recently as two years ago, when asked about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, you said that free trade agreements like TPP provide a “net benefit” to the United States.

How do you square that record with your contention that you’re an authentic progressive, and what makes Secretary Clinton’s newfound progressive stances any more dubious than your own?

Jim Webb

Sen. Webb, you have offered warm words for the Confederacy, railed against gun control, expressed skepticism of the theory of evolution, blasted affirmative action, and dismissed racial, ethnic, and sexual minorities as mere “interest groups.” Moreover, you oppose the Obama administration’s signature diplomatic achievement — the nuclear deal with Iran — and lament that the Democratic Party has “moved way far to the left.”

You present yourself as a champion for the working class, but all the other candidates on this stage have adopted economically populist stances. Given that and the cultural gulf that separates you from an increasingly diverse Democratic Party, what is your rationale for seeking the party’s nomination?

Lincoln Chafee

Gov. Chafee, during your seven-year tenure as a Republican senator from Rhode Island, you consistently bucked your party on matters of both domestic and foreign policy — including marriage equality, the George W. Bush tax cuts, and the war in Iraq.

It’s one thing to take positions on controversial issues — even positions that come to be regarded as prescient. It’s quite another to exercise executive authority. And your recently-concluded four-year stint as governor can be charitably described as a mixed bag. You ushered in marriage equality and a state-level DREAM Act for undocumented students, but you proposed wildly unpopular sales tax increases to the tune of $165 million. While Rhode Island’s unemployment rate declined from 11.4 percent when you took office to 7.1 percent when you left earlier this year, Governing magazine points out that that was worse than the national average, while Rhode  Island’s economic growth lagged behind that of other New England states.

Faced with an approval rating in the 20s and the likelihood that you would have lost the Democratic gubernatorial primary, you opted not to run for re-election in 2014. Why, less than two years later, do you deserve a promotion to the highest office in the land?



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2015-11-04 1:15 PM
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[Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Far less than McCain/Romney or far less than Trump? Or both?

I was referring to far less than McCain/Romney, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to argue that Obama (in 2008) was less qualified than Trump is now either.
The point being that qualifications for the job aren't as important as many would like to think.  it's a popularity contest and that means whoever has the most enthusiasm is typically the winner.

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Originally posted by mdg2003
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by mdg2003 I see Dave's point. The RNC was put in a position to take the WH without breaking a sweat. I think it is important to point out 'put in a position' real quick here. I say 'put in a position' because they had absolutely nothing to do with it. They could have coasted on into the WH riding on the past 12 years of democrat failures. Except the couldn't just let the primary process alone could they. And they just had to pour their $$$ behind the unelectable, Jebster Bushie. The polls didn't lie or waiver from day one; Republican voters DO NOT WANT JEB BUSH. Then they set up a debate schedule that will be used by the left to make their candidates look bad. WTF were they thinking by allowing CNN, CSPAN and the networks to host these debates. CNN gets 3 of them, really? Didn't they remember what Candy did to Romney last time? Look at the DNC and their debate schedule. CNN, MSNBC and then Moveon.org. I'm sure the Moveon debate will get to the bottom of serious issues like whether Hillary prefers the dress or the pantsuit. Point is the DNC has complete control of how all their debates will be held. What questions will be asked and who 'moderate' this carefully crafted display. The RNC is being controlled by a bunch of incompetent morons and I hope they enjoy watching Hillary coast into the WH in 2016. Because they are doing everything in their control to help her get there. They're just too fvpking stupid to realize it.

I agree with this, except I think the moderators asked the dems harder questions than anyone gives them credit for. The dems just didn't b*tch and moan about it.

What, like fluid dynamics or quantum theory?

 

ETA: They freakin asked bernie how he could possibly be elected calling himself a socialist

No, like this:

Hillary Clinton

Madam Secretary, last week you announced your opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, arguing that the pact failed to meet your taste of creating American jobs, boosting wages, and promoting American national security. Yet as Secretary of State in 2012, you championed TPP as “the gold standard in trade agreements,” specifically citing its protections for workers, wages, and American strategic interests.   

During your tenure as Secretary, you also advocated for the U.S. free trade agreements with Colombia and South Korea, both of which you fiercely opposed during your 2008 campaign. In that race, you also, along with then-Sen. Obama, called for a renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, although it emerged that your campaign, like Obama’s, met privately to tell Canadian officials that your campaign-stump skepticism of NAFTA should be taken “with a grain of salt.”

This came just eight years after you expressed concerns about NAFTA during your 2000 Senate campaign — only to praise the agreement in your 2003 memoir.

Given your record of saying one thing about free trade agreements while you’re campaigning  and doing another while in office, why should Democratic voters trust your latest word on TPP?

Bernie Sanders

Sen. Sanders, you’ve attracted an impassioned following with your call for a “political revolution” against the “billionaire class,” a call which resonates deeply amid widespread anxiety over economic inequality and a growing sense that the deck is stacked against working and middle class families.

Leading that revolution has become the raison d’etre of your campaign, and you’ve also proposed massive investments in health, education, jobs, and infrastructure as a means of improving the economic lot of ordinary Americans.

But while domestic and economic issues are at the forefront of many voters’ minds, the next president will confront a host of international problems, from the long-brewing to the unforeseen. And though you have touted your opposition to the war in Iraq, foreign policy issues have received relatively short shrift during your campaign.

 

So, Sen. Sanders, what do you see as the three most pressing strategic challenges facing America in the world, and how do you propose the country meets them?

Martin O’Malley

Gov. O’Malley, in an implicit jab at Secretary Clinton, you have declared that “Triangulation is not a strategy that will move America forward. History celebrates profiles in courage, not profiles in convenience.”

Accordingly, you have sounded strongly progressive notes on issues like Wall Street reform, criminal justice, TPP, and income inequality. But eight years ago, you not only endorsed then-Sen. Clinton for president; you also co-authored a Washington Post op-ed arguing that the Democratic Party should adhere to the centrist agenda laid out by President Bill Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council, rather than embrace a more progressive vision.

As recently as two years ago, when asked about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, you said that free trade agreements like TPP provide a “net benefit” to the United States.

How do you square that record with your contention that you’re an authentic progressive, and what makes Secretary Clinton’s newfound progressive stances any more dubious than your own?

Jim Webb

Sen. Webb, you have offered warm words for the Confederacy, railed against gun control, expressed skepticism of the theory of evolution, blasted affirmative action, and dismissed racial, ethnic, and sexual minorities as mere “interest groups.” Moreover, you oppose the Obama administration’s signature diplomatic achievement — the nuclear deal with Iran — and lament that the Democratic Party has “moved way far to the left.”

You present yourself as a champion for the working class, but all the other candidates on this stage have adopted economically populist stances. Given that and the cultural gulf that separates you from an increasingly diverse Democratic Party, what is your rationale for seeking the party’s nomination?

Lincoln Chafee

Gov. Chafee, during your seven-year tenure as a Republican senator from Rhode Island, you consistently bucked your party on matters of both domestic and foreign policy — including marriage equality, the George W. Bush tax cuts, and the war in Iraq.

It’s one thing to take positions on controversial issues — even positions that come to be regarded as prescient. It’s quite another to exercise executive authority. And your recently-concluded four-year stint as governor can be charitably described as a mixed bag. You ushered in marriage equality and a state-level DREAM Act for undocumented students, but you proposed wildly unpopular sales tax increases to the tune of $165 million. While Rhode Island’s unemployment rate declined from 11.4 percent when you took office to 7.1 percent when you left earlier this year, Governing magazine points out that that was worse than the national average, while Rhode  Island’s economic growth lagged behind that of other New England states.

Faced with an approval rating in the 20s and the likelihood that you would have lost the Democratic gubernatorial primary, you opted not to run for re-election in 2014. Why, less than two years later, do you deserve a promotion to the highest office in the land?

Dude, honestly....every single one of those sounds like a paid infomercial, highlighting strongpoints or accomplishments, before the meat of ANY question needs to be answered.  That's a far cry from what CNBC tried to do with thei9r questions to the Republican candidates.

Look, I have NO problem with the media being a champion for the Liberals......it kind of goes hand in hand.  But I don't see any point in making themselves look stupid by so blatantly altering the table that it appears they think WE'RE the stupid ones.  For that reason alone I will never vote Democrat......like.....ever. 



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Originally posted by mdg2003 I see Dave's point. The RNC was put in a position to take the WH without breaking a sweat. I think it is important to point out 'put in a position' real quick here. I say 'put in a position' because they had absolutely nothing to do with it. They could have coasted on into the WH riding on the past 12 years of democrat failures. Except the couldn't just let the primary process alone could they. And they just had to pour their $$$ behind the unelectable, Jebster Bushie. The polls didn't lie or waiver from day one; Republican voters DO NOT WANT JEB BUSH. Then they set up a debate schedule that will be used by the left to make their candidates look bad. WTF were they thinking by allowing CNN, CSPAN and the networks to host these debates. CNN gets 3 of them, really? Didn't they remember what Candy did to Romney last time? Look at the DNC and their debate schedule. CNN, MSNBC and then Moveon.org. I'm sure the Moveon debate will get to the bottom of serious issues like whether Hillary prefers the dress or the pantsuit. Point is the DNC has complete control of how all their debates will be held. What questions will be asked and who 'moderate' this carefully crafted display. The RNC is being controlled by a bunch of incompetent morons and I hope they enjoy watching Hillary coast into the WH in 2016. Because they are doing everything in their control to help her get there. They're just too fvpking stupid to realize it.

I agree with this, except I think the moderators asked the dems harder questions than anyone gives them credit for. The dems just didn't b*tch and moan about it.

What, like fluid dynamics or quantum theory?

 

ETA: They freakin asked bernie how he could possibly be elected calling himself a socialist

No, like this:

Hillary Clinton

Madam Secretary, last week you announced your opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, arguing that the pact failed to meet your taste of creating American jobs, boosting wages, and promoting American national security. Yet as Secretary of State in 2012, you championed TPP as “the gold standard in trade agreements,” specifically citing its protections for workers, wages, and American strategic interests.   

During your tenure as Secretary, you also advocated for the U.S. free trade agreements with Colombia and South Korea, both of which you fiercely opposed during your 2008 campaign. In that race, you also, along with then-Sen. Obama, called for a renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, although it emerged that your campaign, like Obama’s, met privately to tell Canadian officials that your campaign-stump skepticism of NAFTA should be taken “with a grain of salt.”

This came just eight years after you expressed concerns about NAFTA during your 2000 Senate campaign — only to praise the agreement in your 2003 memoir.

Given your record of saying one thing about free trade agreements while you’re campaigning  and doing another while in office, why should Democratic voters trust your latest word on TPP?

Bernie Sanders

Sen. Sanders, you’ve attracted an impassioned following with your call for a “political revolution” against the “billionaire class,” a call which resonates deeply amid widespread anxiety over economic inequality and a growing sense that the deck is stacked against working and middle class families.

Leading that revolution has become the raison d’etre of your campaign, and you’ve also proposed massive investments in health, education, jobs, and infrastructure as a means of improving the economic lot of ordinary Americans.

But while domestic and economic issues are at the forefront of many voters’ minds, the next president will confront a host of international problems, from the long-brewing to the unforeseen. And though you have touted your opposition to the war in Iraq, foreign policy issues have received relatively short shrift during your campaign.

 

So, Sen. Sanders, what do you see as the three most pressing strategic challenges facing America in the world, and how do you propose the country meets them?

Martin O’Malley

Gov. O’Malley, in an implicit jab at Secretary Clinton, you have declared that “Triangulation is not a strategy that will move America forward. History celebrates profiles in courage, not profiles in convenience.”

Accordingly, you have sounded strongly progressive notes on issues like Wall Street reform, criminal justice, TPP, and income inequality. But eight years ago, you not only endorsed then-Sen. Clinton for president; you also co-authored a Washington Post op-ed arguing that the Democratic Party should adhere to the centrist agenda laid out by President Bill Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council, rather than embrace a more progressive vision.

As recently as two years ago, when asked about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, you said that free trade agreements like TPP provide a “net benefit” to the United States.

How do you square that record with your contention that you’re an authentic progressive, and what makes Secretary Clinton’s newfound progressive stances any more dubious than your own?

Jim Webb

Sen. Webb, you have offered warm words for the Confederacy, railed against gun control, expressed skepticism of the theory of evolution, blasted affirmative action, and dismissed racial, ethnic, and sexual minorities as mere “interest groups.” Moreover, you oppose the Obama administration’s signature diplomatic achievement — the nuclear deal with Iran — and lament that the Democratic Party has “moved way far to the left.”

You present yourself as a champion for the working class, but all the other candidates on this stage have adopted economically populist stances. Given that and the cultural gulf that separates you from an increasingly diverse Democratic Party, what is your rationale for seeking the party’s nomination?

Lincoln Chafee

Gov. Chafee, during your seven-year tenure as a Republican senator from Rhode Island, you consistently bucked your party on matters of both domestic and foreign policy — including marriage equality, the George W. Bush tax cuts, and the war in Iraq.

It’s one thing to take positions on controversial issues — even positions that come to be regarded as prescient. It’s quite another to exercise executive authority. And your recently-concluded four-year stint as governor can be charitably described as a mixed bag. You ushered in marriage equality and a state-level DREAM Act for undocumented students, but you proposed wildly unpopular sales tax increases to the tune of $165 million. While Rhode Island’s unemployment rate declined from 11.4 percent when you took office to 7.1 percent when you left earlier this year, Governing magazine points out that that was worse than the national average, while Rhode  Island’s economic growth lagged behind that of other New England states.

Faced with an approval rating in the 20s and the likelihood that you would have lost the Democratic gubernatorial primary, you opted not to run for re-election in 2014. Why, less than two years later, do you deserve a promotion to the highest office in the land?

Dude, honestly....every single one of those sounds like a paid infomercial, highlighting strongpoints or accomplishments, before the meat of ANY question needs to be answered.  That's a far cry from what CNBC tried to do with thei9r questions to the Republican candidates.

Look, I have NO problem with the media being a champion for the Liberals......it kind of goes hand in hand.  But I don't see any point in making themselves look stupid by so blatantly altering the table that it appears they think WE'RE the stupid ones.  For that reason alone I will never vote Democrat......like.....ever. 

I didn't have a huge problem with the CNBC questions and ultimately they helped the RNC candidates with the media spin afterwards.

Anyways, here's the one that started as a legitimate question and then just got derogatory and stupid:
Mr. Trump, you’ve done very well in this campaign so far by promising to build a wall and make another country pay for it. Send 11 million people out of the country. Cut taxes $10 trillion without increasing the deficit. And make Americans better off because your greatness would replace the stupidity and incompetence of others. Is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign?

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Originally posted by mdg2003 I see Dave's point. The RNC was put in a position to take the WH without breaking a sweat. I think it is important to point out 'put in a position' real quick here. I say 'put in a position' because they had absolutely nothing to do with it. They could have coasted on into the WH riding on the past 12 years of democrat failures. Except the couldn't just let the primary process alone could they. And they just had to pour their $$$ behind the unelectable, Jebster Bushie. The polls didn't lie or waiver from day one; Republican voters DO NOT WANT JEB BUSH. Then they set up a debate schedule that will be used by the left to make their candidates look bad. WTF were they thinking by allowing CNN, CSPAN and the networks to host these debates. CNN gets 3 of them, really? Didn't they remember what Candy did to Romney last time? Look at the DNC and their debate schedule. CNN, MSNBC and then Moveon.org. I'm sure the Moveon debate will get to the bottom of serious issues like whether Hillary prefers the dress or the pantsuit. Point is the DNC has complete control of how all their debates will be held. What questions will be asked and who 'moderate' this carefully crafted display. The RNC is being controlled by a bunch of incompetent morons and I hope they enjoy watching Hillary coast into the WH in 2016. Because they are doing everything in their control to help her get there. They're just too fvpking stupid to realize it.

I agree with this, except I think the moderators asked the dems harder questions than anyone gives them credit for. The dems just didn't b*tch and moan about it.

What, like fluid dynamics or quantum theory?

 

ETA: They freakin asked bernie how he could possibly be elected calling himself a socialist

No, like this:

Hillary Clinton

Madam Secretary, last week you announced your opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, arguing that the pact failed to meet your taste of creating American jobs, boosting wages, and promoting American national security. Yet as Secretary of State in 2012, you championed TPP as “the gold standard in trade agreements,” specifically citing its protections for workers, wages, and American strategic interests.   

During your tenure as Secretary, you also advocated for the U.S. free trade agreements with Colombia and South Korea, both of which you fiercely opposed during your 2008 campaign. In that race, you also, along with then-Sen. Obama, called for a renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement, although it emerged that your campaign, like Obama’s, met privately to tell Canadian officials that your campaign-stump skepticism of NAFTA should be taken “with a grain of salt.”

This came just eight years after you expressed concerns about NAFTA during your 2000 Senate campaign — only to praise the agreement in your 2003 memoir.

Given your record of saying one thing about free trade agreements while you’re campaigning  and doing another while in office, why should Democratic voters trust your latest word on TPP?

Bernie Sanders

Sen. Sanders, you’ve attracted an impassioned following with your call for a “political revolution” against the “billionaire class,” a call which resonates deeply amid widespread anxiety over economic inequality and a growing sense that the deck is stacked against working and middle class families.

Leading that revolution has become the raison d’etre of your campaign, and you’ve also proposed massive investments in health, education, jobs, and infrastructure as a means of improving the economic lot of ordinary Americans.

But while domestic and economic issues are at the forefront of many voters’ minds, the next president will confront a host of international problems, from the long-brewing to the unforeseen. And though you have touted your opposition to the war in Iraq, foreign policy issues have received relatively short shrift during your campaign.

 

So, Sen. Sanders, what do you see as the three most pressing strategic challenges facing America in the world, and how do you propose the country meets them?

Martin O’Malley

Gov. O’Malley, in an implicit jab at Secretary Clinton, you have declared that “Triangulation is not a strategy that will move America forward. History celebrates profiles in courage, not profiles in convenience.”

Accordingly, you have sounded strongly progressive notes on issues like Wall Street reform, criminal justice, TPP, and income inequality. But eight years ago, you not only endorsed then-Sen. Clinton for president; you also co-authored a Washington Post op-ed arguing that the Democratic Party should adhere to the centrist agenda laid out by President Bill Clinton and the Democratic Leadership Council, rather than embrace a more progressive vision.

As recently as two years ago, when asked about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, you said that free trade agreements like TPP provide a “net benefit” to the United States.

How do you square that record with your contention that you’re an authentic progressive, and what makes Secretary Clinton’s newfound progressive stances any more dubious than your own?

Jim Webb

Sen. Webb, you have offered warm words for the Confederacy, railed against gun control, expressed skepticism of the theory of evolution, blasted affirmative action, and dismissed racial, ethnic, and sexual minorities as mere “interest groups.” Moreover, you oppose the Obama administration’s signature diplomatic achievement — the nuclear deal with Iran — and lament that the Democratic Party has “moved way far to the left.”

You present yourself as a champion for the working class, but all the other candidates on this stage have adopted economically populist stances. Given that and the cultural gulf that separates you from an increasingly diverse Democratic Party, what is your rationale for seeking the party’s nomination?

Lincoln Chafee

Gov. Chafee, during your seven-year tenure as a Republican senator from Rhode Island, you consistently bucked your party on matters of both domestic and foreign policy — including marriage equality, the George W. Bush tax cuts, and the war in Iraq.

It’s one thing to take positions on controversial issues — even positions that come to be regarded as prescient. It’s quite another to exercise executive authority. And your recently-concluded four-year stint as governor can be charitably described as a mixed bag. You ushered in marriage equality and a state-level DREAM Act for undocumented students, but you proposed wildly unpopular sales tax increases to the tune of $165 million. While Rhode Island’s unemployment rate declined from 11.4 percent when you took office to 7.1 percent when you left earlier this year, Governing magazine points out that that was worse than the national average, while Rhode  Island’s economic growth lagged behind that of other New England states.

Faced with an approval rating in the 20s and the likelihood that you would have lost the Democratic gubernatorial primary, you opted not to run for re-election in 2014. Why, less than two years later, do you deserve a promotion to the highest office in the land?

Dude, honestly....every single one of those sounds like a paid infomercial, highlighting strongpoints or accomplishments, before the meat of ANY question needs to be answered.  That's a far cry from what CNBC tried to do with thei9r questions to the Republican candidates.

Look, I have NO problem with the media being a champion for the Liberals......it kind of goes hand in hand.  But I don't see any point in making themselves look stupid by so blatantly altering the table that it appears they think WE'RE the stupid ones.  For that reason alone I will never vote Democrat......like.....ever. 



I was just goofing around and should have put a winky emoji after that quantum crack.
But yeah, LB, when they start doing the old 'moveon.org bullet point cut and paste argument'....
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[Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Far less than McCain/Romney or far less than Trump? Or both?

I was referring to far less than McCain/Romney, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to argue that Obama (in 2008) was less qualified than Trump is now either.
The point being that qualifications for the job aren't as important as many would like to think.  it's a popularity contest and that means whoever has the most enthusiasm is typically the winner.




I mostly agree with you about it being a popularity contest, up to a point. I think popularity gets you a ticket to the dance, but I don't think it wins elections by itself.

I think it's funny, though, that the "Qualifications aren't that important" argument switches sides every election, depending on which party has the "less 'qualified'" candidate. You can bet that when the GOP was running veteran Senator McCain, war hero and political lifer, against Junior Senator Obama they weren't singing the "qualifications aren't that important" song. On the contrary-- it was, "This guy's only been a senator for five minutes! Now he wants to be PRESIDENT?!" Now that their two top candidates have a combined total of zero days in public office of any kind, suddenly, it's "Qualifications? We don't need no stinking qualifications!!"
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[Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn Far less than McCain/Romney or far less than Trump? Or both?

I was referring to far less than McCain/Romney, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to argue that Obama (in 2008) was less qualified than Trump is now either.
The point being that qualifications for the job aren't as important as many would like to think.  it's a popularity contest and that means whoever has the most enthusiasm is typically the winner.

I mostly agree with you about it being a popularity contest, up to a point. I think popularity gets you a ticket to the dance, but I don't think it wins elections by itself. I think it's funny, though, that the "Qualifications aren't that important" argument switches sides every election, depending on which party has the "less 'qualified'" candidate. You can bet that when the GOP was running veteran Senator McCain, war hero and political lifer, against Junior Senator Obama they weren't singing the "qualifications aren't that important" song. On the contrary-- it was, "This guy's only been a senator for five minutes! Now he wants to be PRESIDENT?!" Now that their two top candidates have a combined total of zero days in public office of any kind, suddenly, it's "Qualifications? We don't need no stinking qualifications!!"

I still say Obama was never qualified for office and it has showed in many ways.

I also say that Trump is by far the MOST qualified candidate for what we need in office right now.  Yes there are more experienced politicians in the race on both sides, but that's the last thing we need.  We need a business leader who understands how to balance a budget and do international deals that actually benefit our country.

I guess in many ways I'm becoming a single issue voter myself, but the issue is the economy.  We can do all the dumb stuff in the world if we have a strong economy, but when we do dumb stuff and have a hurting economy it's really bad news.  lol



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Originally posted by mdg2003 Apologies, that was cut and paste from salon.com, not moveon

its a transcript of questions asked

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Originally posted by mdg2003 Apologies, that was cut and paste from salon.com, not moveon

its a transcript of questions asked

"Madam Secretary..... you've cured cancer, brought peace to the Middle East, saved the whales and baby harp seals, discovered the meaning of life, and turned water into wine, does it bother you to hear your detractors say you can't be trusted?"

 

and then........

 

"Mister Trump, you have filed for backruptcy 3 times and your personal life has been described as a clown car parade, isn't Ben Carsoin an idiot?"



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Originally posted by mdg2003 Apologies, that was cut and paste from salon.com, not moveon

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and I forgot to put that thingy on my post again. But you did cut and paste it from this article.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/12/the_democrats_play_vegas_the_tough_...

Heck even the underlined, order and highlights match up.

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