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golfpro - 2012-01-27 4:05 PM

So what tunes/songs do you guys listen while S/B/R ?? 

Ah, music.  Next to pasta one of my favorite things.  I have a wide range of genre's I like, ranging from pop to hard rock to 80's to Motown.  I never listen to music when I swim, B/R I use the same playlist.  Some artists I have on it right now:  Springsteen, Ozzy, REM, Coldplay, Tom Petty, Linkin Park, Maino, Outkast, Lady Gaga, RHCP.  Honestly, if it's fairly upbeat, I'll give it a try.     

I do like my pasta too! I am more like you for the music- the only thing I don't have on the playlist is Opera but I do have upbeat stuff for the hard sets - techno and another one I like is a podcast from MotionTraxx - is all by bpm-

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Fred D - 2012-01-28 9:54 AM
bryancd - 2012-01-28 9:22 AM I am in St. George doing a short training camp with my coach's team. Ran the new run course yesterday and heading out for 60 miles on the bike course in an hour. New run course is FAST, old course looks like it was no joke, brutal and I only drove it.

I assume the bike will favor a very strong cyclist. Sounds like a great race for you.

^^^ditto^^^ from what I seen in vids and pictures, it's a awesome venue and great scenery!  It will be a great race for Bryan.

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I have another question for all - how many strokes do you take on a 25m/yd pool? somewhere between 14 and 18 for me.

I've tried changing/increasing arm turnover trying to get faster. In logical terms it does make sense that if I want to get faster at running, the legs need to turn faster (horizontally); for swimming has to be the same to an extent.  I did do a few sets a couple of weeks ago and was able to to cut time off but I don't really know if in the long run it will pay huge dividends. I think if I do attempt to keep that tempo, there has to be a lot of pool distance involved! I don't know -- your thoughts?

 

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golfpro - 2012-01-28 10:44 AM

I have another question for all - how many strokes do you take on a 25m/yd pool? somewhere between 14 and 18 for me.

I've tried changing/increasing arm turnover trying to get faster. In logical terms it does make sense that if I want to get faster at running, the legs need to turn faster (horizontally); for swimming has to be the same to an extent.  I did do a few sets a couple of weeks ago and was able to to cut time off but I don't really know if in the long run it will pay huge dividends. I think if I do attempt to keep that tempo, there has to be a lot of pool distance involved! I don't know -- your thoughts?

 

I haven’t done a stroke count in a long time.  Last I remember 12-15 depending on speed.  I don’t worry about it to much I just swim long and lean, pull water as I enter; push back at a point and recovery elbow high. 

Finding the sweat spot between turn over, catch, pull and recovery is what I strive for.  I truly believe that it’s all in the body position which follows the head.  Hydrodynamic is my key. 

 

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Music for me atm is ministry of sound 5k 10k mix and Hayseed dixe as thats all that is on my phone.

went for a ride with Sicone today it sucked as im out of shape.



2012-01-28 2:31 PM
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Say you are going out for a ride and it is chilly at the start but you know that with in an hour it will be warm and will just get warmer.  Would you rather start with extra clothing and be warm then strip it off or would you rather start cold (and I mean pretty chilly for a bike) and just tough it out for an hour or so?  I go back and forth on it.  I tend to over dress cause I frequently forget about just how hot the sun feels in Tucson due to elevation, despite the actual physical temp.  But I hate shoving things in my pocket and having it all bulky back there.  I need to find the happy medium some how.  We can start in the 40's here and be in the 70's by the time I finish my ride
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bzgl40 - 2012-01-28 3:31 PM Say you are going out for a ride and it is chilly at the start but you know that with in an hour it will be warm and will just get warmer.  Would you rather start with extra clothing and be warm then strip it off or would you rather start cold (and I mean pretty chilly for a bike) and just tough it out for an hour or so?  I go back and forth on it.  I tend to over dress cause I frequently forget about just how hot the sun feels in Tucson due to elevation, despite the actual physical temp.  But I hate shoving things in my pocket and having it all bulky back there.  I need to find the happy medium some how.  We can start in the 40's here and be in the 70's by the time I finish my ride

arm warmer, leg warmer light jacket should do it. I'd rather take off than put on. 

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bzgl40 - 2012-01-28 2:31 PMSay you are going out for a ride and it is chilly at the start but you know that with in an hour it will be warm and will just get warmer.  Would you rather start with extra clothing and be warm then strip it off or would you rather start cold (and I mean pretty chilly for a bike) and just tough it out for an hour or so?  I go back and forth on it.  I tend to over dress cause I frequently forget about just how hot the sun feels in Tucson due to elevation, despite the actual physical temp.  But I hate shoving things in my pocket and having it all bulky back there.  I need to find the happy medium some how.  We can start in the 40's here and be in the 70's by the time I finish my ride
I hate being cold despite the fact I live in MN. I usually wear arm warmers I can roll down when I warm up and lighter gloves that don't take much room in my back pockets. If I can I plan the first hour to end back at my house or someone else I know where I can safely dump clothes. I have thrown clothes in some shrubs and drove back later to get them.
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tasr - 2012-01-28 12:29 PM

  Hydrodynamic is my key.  

interesting read about hydrodynamics and the effects of drag & lift...  

http://www.lcsc.edu/mcollins/Biomechanics/009_propulsive_forces_in_swimming.htm

good youtube vid explaining

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golfpro - 2012-01-28 7:44 AM

I have another question for all - how many strokes do you take on a 25m/yd pool? somewhere between 14 and 18 for me.

I've tried changing/increasing arm turnover trying to get faster. In logical terms it does make sense that if I want to get faster at running, the legs need to turn faster (horizontally); for swimming has to be the same to an extent.  I did do a few sets a couple of weeks ago and was able to to cut time off but I don't really know if in the long run it will pay huge dividends. I think if I do attempt to keep that tempo, there has to be a lot of pool distance involved! I don't know -- your thoughts?

 

I am about 15 on average, but it's very personal and just in my opinion, if you are already swimming decent splits it's pretty irrelevant, although I know it gets a lot of attention on BT. one of the fastest swimmers I know, used to swim for Italy, takes a good 20 strokes per length. And she can blow most everyone I know out of the water
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Fred D - 2012-01-28 3:47 AMChris are you on east coast time now?
I was.... Am. Flew home today so I am on the west coast, but woke up about 1:30 am west coast time to fly home. One of those surreal days when the time zones get you. I imagine I'll be up early tomorrow to run. Did get a short ride in today after I got home. Went from 20s and snowing to 80 and girls in bikini tops in very short order. Mad props to you guys that get your training done in cold weather. Much more difficult than here on a number of levels
2012-01-28 7:18 PM
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I have a question for the cycling gurus I've been thinking about. Recently started using a compact crank as I am a bigger guy and do a few hilly courses. Specifically oceanside in 2 months has a pretty hilly backside that took a lot out of me last year. Tri bike has a compact and 12/27. Road bike has a standard and 12/25. I enjoy the compact in our local hills as it makes climbing easier, but started wondering if it was dangerous (used relatively in a training sense) to rely on the compact in training. In other words, would it be better to use the roadie and/or avoid the very small gears in training and really use the compact gearing to make race day easier (a la train heavy race light)? If I am relying on the compact it seems I might not be properly building climbing strength. I already swap bikes for training so i already do some of this. Wonder what the group thinks of this?
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Also (sorry about the serial posting) is there a trick to formatting with the iPhone / iPad? Paragraph breaks don't seem to work.....
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ChrisM - 2012-01-28 8:18 PM I have a question for the cycling gurus I've been thinking about. Recently started using a compact crank as I am a bigger guy and do a few hilly courses. Specifically oceanside in 2 months has a pretty hilly backside that took a lot out of me last year. Tri bike has a compact and 12/27. Road bike has a standard and 12/25. I enjoy the compact in our local hills as it makes climbing easier, but started wondering if it was dangerous (used relatively in a training sense) to rely on the compact in training. In other words, would it be better to use the roadie and/or avoid the very small gears in training and really use the compact gearing to make race day easier (a la train heavy race light)? If I am relying on the compact it seems I might not be properly building climbing strength. I already swap bikes for training so i already do some of this. Wonder what the group thinks of this?

I think it makes little difference, you are either going up, going down or on a flat, work harder to go faster going up, gearing will have little affect at all on your riding ability. Not that what other people ride means anything, but last year i raced compact 50/34's with an 11-26, on both TT and Road bikes. This year i have upgraded to 52/36 on the front, as i wanted a little more top end for the down hills. Did not change the rear cassettes.

I think it will only help you in the long run, and not hurt at all. Just my opinion.

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ChrisM - 2012-01-28 8:18 PM I have a question for the cycling gurus I've been thinking about. Recently started using a compact crank as I am a bigger guy and do a few hilly courses. Specifically oceanside in 2 months has a pretty hilly backside that took a lot out of me last year. Tri bike has a compact and 12/27. Road bike has a standard and 12/25. I enjoy the compact in our local hills as it makes climbing easier, but started wondering if it was dangerous (used relatively in a training sense) to rely on the compact in training. In other words, would it be better to use the roadie and/or avoid the very small gears in training and really use the compact gearing to make race day easier (a la train heavy race light)? If I am relying on the compact it seems I might not be properly building climbing strength. I already swap bikes for training so i already do some of this. Wonder what the group thinks of this?

I think it makes little difference, you are either going up, going down or on a flat, work harder to go faster going up, gearing will have little affect at all on your riding ability. Not that what other people ride means anything, but last year i raced compact 50/34's with an 11-26, on both TT and Road bikes. This year i have upgraded to 52/36 on the front, as i wanted a little more top end for the down hills. Did not change the rear cassettes.

I think it will only help you in the long run, and not hurt at all. Just my opinion.

I agree.  If your riding up the hill your body is going to adapt to that type of ride, regardless of the gearing on your bike and your going to adjust what gear your in anyways as you get stronger.  I remember back in Oregon when I was first getting back into road biking we'd go do this hill and the first few times I was always in grannie gear.  Then one day I got to the top and I all of a sudden realized I never left the middle ring.  WTF?  How'd that happen?  I ride a compact now and I've noticed that when I ride Mt Lemmon regularly that I start to stay in a bigger gear as time goes on.  So, just don't sandbag the ride and you'll be fine

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ChrisM - 2012-01-28 8:18 PM I have a question for the cycling gurus I've been thinking about. Recently started using a compact crank as I am a bigger guy and do a few hilly courses. Specifically oceanside in 2 months has a pretty hilly backside that took a lot out of me last year. Tri bike has a compact and 12/27. Road bike has a standard and 12/25. I enjoy the compact in our local hills as it makes climbing easier, but started wondering if it was dangerous (used relatively in a training sense) to rely on the compact in training. In other words, would it be better to use the roadie and/or avoid the very small gears in training and really use the compact gearing to make race day easier (a la train heavy race light)? If I am relying on the compact it seems I might not be properly building climbing strength. I already swap bikes for training so i already do some of this. Wonder what the group thinks of this?

Chris,

I have a compact 50/34 with rear cassette 11/23 on my 07’ Scott CR1 full Campagnolo group road bike.  I train on the Scott a lot on hills, flats and rollers.  I also ride A type group rides with 5-15 guys.  My only probable with the compact crank is I will spin out of gears on group rides chasing down breaks and fast descents. 

My TT bike is a 10’ Felt B12 full Shimano Ultegra group.  Crank on the Felt is a standard and I have chain rings 53/39 and 52/38.  My cassettes are 11/23, 12/25 and 12/27.  I ride same terrain as the Scott but about 99% solo. 

 

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TSimone - 2012-01-29 9:31 AMIf you were to choose to use a plan by some of the noted authors, ie Fitzgerald, Friel, etc, who would you choose and why?  I chose Fink (competitive plan) because it is HR and time based but I'm starting to second guess.  I'm not entirely sure why I am second guessing as I believe it's a solid plan.  I think part of it is the fact that the B/R volume starting out is lower than what I'm doing now, especially on the bike. 
I used Fink back in 2009 and thought it seemed like a solid plan. I'm sure it was a good plan, but it just didn't jibe with me for some reason. I hated that the swimming was pretty much all the same and fairly boring.
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mndiver - 2012-01-29 7:56 AM
TSimone - 2012-01-29 9:31 AMIf you were to choose to use a plan by some of the noted authors, ie Fitzgerald, Friel, etc, who would you choose and why?  I chose Fink (competitive plan) because it is HR and time based but I'm starting to second guess.  I'm not entirely sure why I am second guessing as I believe it's a solid plan.  I think part of it is the fact that the B/R volume starting out is lower than what I'm doing now, especially on the bike. 
I used Fink back in 2009 and thought it seemed like a solid plan. I'm sure it was a good plan, but it just didn't jibe with me for some reason. I hated that the swimming was pretty much all the same and fairly boring.

I got a Gold membership for my last HIM and that was my biggest grip on the BT plan.  I got to the point where I was dreading my swims, especially the long swim.  It was so repetitive.  I used their Silver HIM previously and did not feel the same (although as mentioned it is very swim heavy).  Honestly when/if I do another one I might actually go back to paying for Mark Allen Online.  Although perhaps I will wait for the end result before I really say that. 

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