Nibbs XXVII (Page 44)

barqhead - 2008-11-06 12:08 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 12:16 PM

1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 12:14 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 11:02 AM

QueenZipp - 2008-11-06 8:47 AM Morning Nibbs...swimming with a pull bouy makes me off kilter for balance

I've never used a pull buoy. But now that I've overdeveloped my kick from the one-armed swimming, I wonder if I should try it.

Being not of a swimming background whatsoever, is the pull buoy the "prop"/"device" that you insert between your legs (keep it clean here folks) to keep you from kicking and just used to focus on arms?

Leave it to you to not miss a device that goes between your legs

Yes, it's a figure 8 shaped foam thing you put between your thighs, from what I understand to minimize kicking and practice pulling. Some people like the flotation help too, which is why I never used one. I didn't want it to be a crutch while learning to swim. But I kick way too much now.

 

You can never kick too much! (Unless you've got angry hip flexors, like Judi)

I don't know about regarding longer races - you need to conserve that energy and the legs for the other disciplines.

And then Phil killed NIBBS.

And this surprises you?

1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 1:34 PM

barqhead - 2008-11-06 12:08 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 12:16 PM

1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 12:14 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 11:02 AM

QueenZipp - 2008-11-06 8:47 AM Morning Nibbs...swimming with a pull bouy makes me off kilter for balance

I've never used a pull buoy. But now that I've overdeveloped my kick from the one-armed swimming, I wonder if I should try it.

Being not of a swimming background whatsoever, is the pull buoy the "prop"/"device" that you insert between your legs (keep it clean here folks) to keep you from kicking and just used to focus on arms?

Leave it to you to not miss a device that goes between your legs

Yes, it's a figure 8 shaped foam thing you put between your thighs, from what I understand to minimize kicking and practice pulling. Some people like the flotation help too, which is why I never used one. I didn't want it to be a crutch while learning to swim. But I kick way too much now.

 

You can never kick too much! (Unless you've got angry hip flexors, like Judi)

I don't know about regarding longer races - you need to conserve that energy and the legs for the other disciplines.

That's what I've always been told. But when I was swimming with one arm, I had to kick hard to get anywhere and my legs got really tired. Now I'm used to kicking more and while it makes me faster, probably not so good for IM training. Maybe i'll tie my feet together

This is old, but I think I did.  I had two windows open at the same time and posted the wrong one.  I just didn't catch this one in time.  I was really tired.

I don't really kick when I swim.  I never have been a strong kicker, even when I was on a swim team.  For some reason, it's just not my thing.  I do work on kicking to try to be more efficient, but I don't really worry about kicking too much.

That probably doesn't make much sense.

If you aren't healthy, you should lose the registration fee and not race.  But, you don't really have to decide until Friday.  You could even pick up the packet and not race.  Rest this weekend and see how you feel (aka, I agree with Pam's advice)

barqhead - 2008-11-06 2:48 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 2:44 PM

1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 1:34 PM

barqhead - 2008-11-06 12:08 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 12:16 PM

1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 12:14 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 11:02 AM

QueenZipp - 2008-11-06 8:47 AM Morning Nibbs...swimming with a pull bouy makes me off kilter for balance

I've never used a pull buoy. But now that I've overdeveloped my kick from the one-armed swimming, I wonder if I should try it.

Being not of a swimming background whatsoever, is the pull buoy the "prop"/"device" that you insert between your legs (keep it clean here folks) to keep you from kicking and just used to focus on arms?

Leave it to you to not miss a device that goes between your legs

Yes, it's a figure 8 shaped foam thing you put between your thighs, from what I understand to minimize kicking and practice pulling. Some people like the flotation help too, which is why I never used one. I didn't want it to be a crutch while learning to swim. But I kick way too much now.

 

You can never kick too much! (Unless you've got angry hip flexors, like Judi)

I don't know about regarding longer races - you need to conserve that energy and the legs for the other disciplines.

That's what I've always been told. But when I was swimming with one arm, I had to kick hard to get anywhere and my legs got really tired. Now I'm used to kicking more and while it makes me faster, probably not so good for IM training. Maybe i'll tie my feet together

My 2 cents about "saving your legs" for other disciplines. I only buy this as an argument if you also coast the downhills on the bike. That's "saving your legs", right? To me, this is what training is for. You adapt. If you have a nice, strong kick and you are training for IM with it, you will be fine. It's not like you get to your IM and suddenly say "I'm going to kick like hell in this race even though I never do it in training". I think it would be far worse for your IM to drag some of the most muscle-laden parts of your body through the water causing your upper body to have to work harder than ever to keep your body in a nice, efficient, prone-position. I am a big kicker in the swim. To not do this would cause my HR to elevate way out of my comfort zone in the swim, something I really want to avoid. My kick keeps my stroke smooth and efficient. I guess you have to do what works best with your body. But the first thing I tell folks who work with me on their swim (I'm an instructor at the Y) is kick more. It decreases drag and adds to over-all swim efficiency (going faster with less effort) which is what triathlon is all about

I didn't say that you NEVER kick.  I know that you have to decrease drag by fluttering the feet, but not using the legs.

I think I'm misunderstanding regarding "kick" as HOW we are to kick, and not regarding kick versus kicking altogether.  Makes sense?

Hi Nibbs!

sorry to hear that, that's no fun

Hi Cat!

Oh no - can you take anything? 

oooh its a mystery fairy! 

How are you Beth? 

barqhead - 2008-11-06 12:08 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 12:16 PM

1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 12:14 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 11:02 AM

QueenZipp - 2008-11-06 8:47 AM Morning Nibbs...swimming with a pull bouy makes me off kilter for balance

I've never used a pull buoy. But now that I've overdeveloped my kick from the one-armed swimming, I wonder if I should try it.

Being not of a swimming background whatsoever, is the pull buoy the "prop"/"device" that you insert between your legs (keep it clean here folks) to keep you from kicking and just used to focus on arms?

Leave it to you to not miss a device that goes between your legs

Yes, it's a figure 8 shaped foam thing you put between your thighs, from what I understand to minimize kicking and practice pulling. Some people like the flotation help too, which is why I never used one. I didn't want it to be a crutch while learning to swim. But I kick way too much now.

 

You can never kick too much! (Unless you've got angry hip flexors, like Judi)

In my case I can...if I kick too much, I get worn out too quickly and my form goes all to heck...

I seem to be able to swim forever if I do a 2-count kick with every pull...

Afternoon Nibbs!

not to bad, pretty good in fact - just headed for home, so hopefully I'll *see* you later!

hope you are doing well

TGIF!

I believe it was the 'mine's permanent' statement...

barqhead - 2008-11-06 2:48 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 2:44 PM

1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 1:34 PM

barqhead - 2008-11-06 12:08 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 12:16 PM

1stTimeTri - 2008-11-06 12:14 PM

LazyMarathoner - 2008-11-06 11:02 AM

QueenZipp - 2008-11-06 8:47 AM Morning Nibbs...swimming with a pull bouy makes me off kilter for balance

I've never used a pull buoy. But now that I've overdeveloped my kick from the one-armed swimming, I wonder if I should try it.

Being not of a swimming background whatsoever, is the pull buoy the "prop"/"device" that you insert between your legs (keep it clean here folks) to keep you from kicking and just used to focus on arms?

Leave it to you to not miss a device that goes between your legs

Yes, it's a figure 8 shaped foam thing you put between your thighs, from what I understand to minimize kicking and practice pulling. Some people like the flotation help too, which is why I never used one. I didn't want it to be a crutch while learning to swim. But I kick way too much now.

 

You can never kick too much! (Unless you've got angry hip flexors, like Judi)

I don't know about regarding longer races - you need to conserve that energy and the legs for the other disciplines.

That's what I've always been told. But when I was swimming with one arm, I had to kick hard to get anywhere and my legs got really tired. Now I'm used to kicking more and while it makes me faster, probably not so good for IM training. Maybe i'll tie my feet together

My 2 cents about "saving your legs" for other disciplines. I only buy this as an argument if you also coast the downhills on the bike. That's "saving your legs", right? To me, this is what training is for. You adapt. If you have a nice, strong kick and you are training for IM with it, you will be fine. It's not like you get to your IM and suddenly say "I'm going to kick like hell in this race even though I never do it in training". I think it would be far worse for your IM to drag some of the most muscle-laden parts of your body through the water causing your upper body to have to work harder than ever to keep your body in a nice, efficient, prone-position. I am a big kicker in the swim. To not do this would cause my HR to elevate way out of my comfort zone in the swim, something I really want to avoid. My kick keeps my stroke smooth and efficient. I guess you have to do what works best with your body. But the first thing I tell folks who work with me on their swim (I'm an instructor at the Y) is kick more. It decreases drag and adds to over-all swim efficiency (going faster with less effort) which is what triathlon is all about

Wow...totally opposite with me...of course I'm one of those weak swimmers who 'relearned' how to swim with Total Immersion.  My HR goes through the roof if I kick too much, but settles in with less kicking and more emphasis on streamlining (fish swimming) and efficiency.

Maybe that's why I'm not very fast... 

Although youve ALWAYS been good at finding things people didnt want found...