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2013-09-03 8:48 PM
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Cycling question:

Is 20 weeks long enough to prepare for a century with the goal of just finishing?  It's not a race its a tour.  They have a 15, 30, 62, or 100 mile rides and I don't know which I want to try for.  I will have an oly the weekend before so take that into consideration.  My training plan has me up to 2.5 hours the week of the ride so do I settle for the metric or add in some more bikes into the training plan and go for the gusto?  I don't want to get hurt so if it's a dumb idea to go long please let me know and keep me in check.




20 weeks is a ton of time, provided you stay focus and on plan.

When it comes to cycling, there's really two ways about it: (a) find a group and ride, or (b) hit the trainer. Trainer Road is a great way to approximate training with power (or you can train by heartrate), and they have an 11 week novice century plan that runs about 6 hours per week. It's only $10 per month, and all you need is (1) a supported trainer, (2) a speed and cadence sensor, and (3) a USB ANT sensor. Since you already have a 910xt, all you might be missing is the speed/cadence sensor, which is like $35 from Amazon.

You could run the 11-week program twice, or do the novice century and then jump to intermediate base plan I.

Go for it, and enjoy the ride!


2013-09-03 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Burd

Cycling question:

Is 20 weeks long enough to prepare for a century with the goal of just finishing?  It's not a race its a tour.  They have a 15, 30, 62, or 100 mile rides and I don't know which I want to try for.  I will have an oly the weekend before so take that into consideration.  My training plan has me up to 2.5 hours the week of the ride so do I settle for the metric or add in some more bikes into the training plan and go for the gusto?  I don't want to get hurt so if it's a dumb idea to go long please let me know and keep me in check.


Do it!

That sounds like fun. Love the diversity on this board. I would love to tackle a 100 miler next year prior to IM. That has to be a great confidence booster going into a 112 mile ride!

Find a plan and go for it. you can do anything in 5 months!
2013-09-04 7:54 AM
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Bailed on run this morning. the usual excuses, lousy sleep, sore legs etc. Packed bike for lunch ride. 

Played my first hockey game on Sunday night. Man, a totally different set of muscles. Signed up for the whole season this year not just a spare, so it will be a weekly thing!

Watched the Tour of Alberta last night! Man those guys can fly! Amazing! It is neat having cyclists who have competed at the tour de france here.

2013-09-04 12:39 PM
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I got my run in today. The dynamic stretching that my coach has me doing prior to the run really is challenging for me. It makes me think that perhaps part of the reason why i get injured early in the season as opposed to later in the season is because these sub muscle groups take time to build when they are not being directly worked on but that they get stronger as the season goes along. Hopefully the pains in the knees will go away as I continue to do the exercises.

Ive got a sprint this weekend is anyone else racing?
2013-09-04 1:27 PM
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Originally posted by SportzVision

Soooo last Saturday I did a local sprint tri. I was really nervous because I hadn't trained for two months. I ran three times prior to the race and suffered the sciatic pain something awful after my 3 mile run/walk. My leg hurt so bad the day before that I could not even sit at work I had to stand. Husband asked, as I was wiping the dust off my bike, if I should do this race since I was ill prepared, injured and would be taking a risk of further injury. This was something that needed to be done. I needed to know my true grt, that I had not been beaten by injury, and to not let fear stop me. Despite wanting to take the path of least resistance I assured him i would stop if the pain was "wrong" and would call him. So the goal was just to finish, no expectations, and race with a pleasant face blah blah blah.

Happy to report, though I had some pain I had no major issues during the race. Took a little time to stretch in T2, I had to keep my bike in an easy spin gear because pushing did cause pain in my glute/sciatic spot. I of course had noooo endurance on the run and walked a lot! I did not find out my time because I had to head to Lake Tahoe for a retreat for our U of Nevada ambassadors. The cold water of the Lake felt amazing on my legs by the way. Before heading to the Lake I stuck around long enough to hear the places for my age group. I did not place but I hadn't really expected to. I was disappointed because the third place winner in my age group finished with a time that was 13 minutes longer than my time from last year. Damn! I really added over 13 mins to my time?

Well it took me a week to get the courage to look at my exact time. Come to find out I took 2nd in my age group. i actually did all the events faster but because I took the time to stretch my T2 was longer! Yeah! I only added 4 mins to my time from last year! I feel so much better!

Oh and sorry i haven't been logging or on here...Students moved into the dorm last week and i had parents at my desk crying, on the phone yelling and everything in between! I am fried and fried. Also, I found a running group in my town Whooo hoo! Sciatic pain is still there I am just building slowly...but not as slowly as i thought.

Two words: Bad A$$!

Proud of you for even stepping on the starting line of the race, then having the grit and guts to go through and finish. You should be proud of yourself.

As someone who's been in many positions where people whine and cry and yell at me, You have way more patience than I do.

What's next? any racing/training left for the year, or do you just go to maintenance, or do you take time off hoping for healing with you nerve?

I have an OLY in three weeks...ran almost 10 miles the other day .....well honestly ran 6 walked 4....and I am training with a group on Tue & Thur doing running and core work...kicks my butt each time! So glad to "see" you again on here.
2013-09-04 1:31 PM
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Originally posted by kevinbe

Originally posted by Rollergirl

Originally posted by Qua17


PS - I invited someone to join our group. She is from Sweden (think of all the beers she could suggest) and she is training for a sprint in order to raise money for charity. Hope y'all don't mind.


Hi! Thanks for the invite!
My name is Nat, short for Nathalie. I live in Sweden but am originally from France and part of my heart is still in England where I lived for 8 years.

Family: a husband (sort of, not married... Yet) and a 9 year old son. We're getting a cat soon and a dog is on the cards in a couple of years

My story: done sports all my life but ones involving balls (soccer, european handball) or martial arts. Had to give up those games due to a bad knee. Not enough stability in it and I don't want to go through a big operation. So I have to choose less violent sports. Triathlon seemed like a good idea.

Qua mentionned that I am raising money for charity. Getting people to sponsor me for my race is a great way to make sure I go through with it. I have already 8 sponsors on my page, including some very good friends I don't want to let down. At the same time I am helping a cause I believe in. It's a win win situation. It's the 3rd time I do this (first 2 times were a 10k race and golf tournament).

Training: well, not so much at the moment. Had this idea about a month ago and did too much too soon and hurt myself. Hopefully it's nothing but I am getting it checked before I start again. Much slower this time, the race is in May next year, so plenty of time.

Beer: nothing beats a nice cold lager on a hot summer evening. Carlsberg is my favourite.

That's it for now, looking forward to exchanging with you!


New face. Cool. Welcome aboard Nat. Hope we can support you in your quest and look forward to conversing over the fine beers of the world.

Welcome Nat!


2013-09-04 1:38 PM
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Originally posted by Qua17 I got my run in today. The dynamic stretching that my coach has me doing prior to the run really is challenging for me. It makes me think that perhaps part of the reason why i get injured early in the season as opposed to later in the season is because these sub muscle groups take time to build when they are not being directly worked on but that they get stronger as the season goes along. Hopefully the pains in the knees will go away as I continue to do the exercises. Ive got a sprint this weekend is anyone else racing?

By chance is there a link or video of them somewhere?  I fail at warm ups.

2013-09-04 1:38 PM
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Originally posted by Burd

Cycling question:

Is 20 weeks long enough to prepare for a century with the goal of just finishing?  It's not a race its a tour.  They have a 15, 30, 62, or 100 mile rides and I don't know which I want to try for.  I will have an oly the weekend before so take that into consideration.  My training plan has me up to 2.5 hours the week of the ride so do I settle for the metric or add in some more bikes into the training plan and go for the gusto?  I don't want to get hurt so if it's a dumb idea to go long please let me know and keep me in check.




I agree with the others- totally enough. I did a 62 miler this spring with friends having never ridden more than 30 miles before. I sure would have needed some more training to go another 40 :-)
2013-09-04 1:58 PM
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I am wondering if any of you have tried Heed or Cytomax or both?  I am getting rid of my Accelerade since my son has severe allergies to peanuts, tree nuts, and shellfish and it contains them.  It's just not worth the risk to have it in the house anymore.  I saw that both Heed and Cytomax are safe for him and before I pick up a jug with a million servings I would find out if anyone has used either.  I'm not to concerned about taste unless it is unpalatable since I can choke down some real nasty stuff anyways  Just mainly looking at performance during the workouts and if they can be used for recovery as well.
2013-09-04 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by thor67

Bailed on run this morning. the usual excuses, lousy sleep, sore legs etc. Packed bike for lunch ride. 

Played my first hockey game on Sunday night. Man, a totally different set of muscles. Signed up for the whole season this year not just a spare, so it will be a weekly thing!

Watched the Tour of Alberta last night! Man those guys can fly! Amazing! It is neat having cyclists who have competed at the tour de france here.



I cannot wait until our season starts. No better way to get out and get a good workout. + the beer tastes pretty sweet after a hard skate. It figures Canadians would've already started their leagues. I have no idea when ours is starting, but I'm chomping at the bit.
2013-09-04 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Burd

I am wondering if any of you have tried Heed or Cytomax or both?  I am getting rid of my Accelerade since my son has severe allergies to peanuts, tree nuts, and shellfish and it contains them.  It's just not worth the risk to have it in the house anymore.  I saw that both Heed and Cytomax are safe for him and before I pick up a jug with a million servings I would find out if anyone has used either.  I'm not to concerned about taste unless it is unpalatable since I can choke down some real nasty stuff anyways  Just mainly looking at performance during the workouts and if they can be used for recovery as well.
I've used HEED in some marathons I've run. If memory serves correct, it's much like orange Gatoraid flavor, and can be diluted to preference, I'm sure


2013-09-04 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by kevinbe

Originally posted by SportzVision

Soooo last Saturday I did a local sprint tri. I was really nervous because I hadn't trained for two months. I ran three times prior to the race and suffered the sciatic pain something awful after my 3 mile run/walk. My leg hurt so bad the day before that I could not even sit at work I had to stand. Husband asked, as I was wiping the dust off my bike, if I should do this race since I was ill prepared, injured and would be taking a risk of further injury. This was something that needed to be done. I needed to know my true grt, that I had not been beaten by injury, and to not let fear stop me. Despite wanting to take the path of least resistance I assured him i would stop if the pain was "wrong" and would call him. So the goal was just to finish, no expectations, and race with a pleasant face blah blah blah.

Happy to report, though I had some pain I had no major issues during the race. Took a little time to stretch in T2, I had to keep my bike in an easy spin gear because pushing did cause pain in my glute/sciatic spot. I of course had noooo endurance on the run and walked a lot! I did not find out my time because I had to head to Lake Tahoe for a retreat for our U of Nevada ambassadors. The cold water of the Lake felt amazing on my legs by the way. Before heading to the Lake I stuck around long enough to hear the places for my age group. I did not place but I hadn't really expected to. I was disappointed because the third place winner in my age group finished with a time that was 13 minutes longer than my time from last year. Damn! I really added over 13 mins to my time?

Well it took me a week to get the courage to look at my exact time. Come to find out I took 2nd in my age group. i actually did all the events faster but because I took the time to stretch my T2 was longer! Yeah! I only added 4 mins to my time from last year! I feel so much better!

Oh and sorry i haven't been logging or on here...Students moved into the dorm last week and i had parents at my desk crying, on the phone yelling and everything in between! I am fried and fried. Also, I found a running group in my town Whooo hoo! Sciatic pain is still there I am just building slowly...but not as slowly as i thought.

Two words: Bad A$$!

Proud of you for even stepping on the starting line of the race, then having the grit and guts to go through and finish. You should be proud of yourself.

As someone who's been in many positions where people whine and cry and yell at me, You have way more patience than I do.

What's next? any racing/training left for the year, or do you just go to maintenance, or do you take time off hoping for healing with you nerve?

I have an OLY in three weeks...ran almost 10 miles the other day .....well honestly ran 6 walked 4....and I am training with a group on Tue & Thur doing running and core work...kicks my butt each time! So glad to "see" you again on here.
Wow! 10 miles is awesome. Good to see you getting back on the horse. Can you say, Square 2 folks!!!!
2013-09-05 9:05 PM
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Originally posted by Qua17 I got my run in today. The dynamic stretching that my coach has me doing prior to the run really is challenging for me. It makes me think that perhaps part of the reason why i get injured early in the season as opposed to later in the season is because these sub muscle groups take time to build when they are not being directly worked on but that they get stronger as the season goes along. Hopefully the pains in the knees will go away as I continue to do the exercises. Ive got a sprint this weekend is anyone else racing?

By chance is there a link or video of them somewhere?  I fail at warm ups.




http://www.runnersworld.com/stretching/dynamic-routine?page=single
2013-09-05 9:20 PM
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First - the confession - I blew off a bike ride today. I su@k.

Second - the reason... A friend came over and we smoked a ton of meat. Salmon and wild boar that my friend's wife shot. B@dass. What a fun way to spend the day. The boar tasted like beer brisket but with texture of pork. The amount of beer that has been consumed today has been epic.

Now I am watching the Broncos/Ravens game. I was trying to decide which team I hate more. Both teams have caused me so much pain. It has taken me the first half to decide. I hate the Ravens more. The entire town is a bunch of hypocrits. Oh, how could indianapolis steal our team. Oh wait... We can take Cleveland's. Oh, never mind.

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Subject: RE: Beer Drinker Appreciation Society 2 - Closed
Originally posted by Burd

I am wondering if any of you have tried Heed or Cytomax or both?  I am getting rid of my Accelerade since my son has severe allergies to peanuts, tree nuts, and shellfish and it contains them.  It's just not worth the risk to have it in the house anymore.  I saw that both Heed and Cytomax are safe for him and before I pick up a jug with a million servings I would find out if anyone has used either.  I'm not to concerned about taste unless it is unpalatable since I can choke down some real nasty stuff anyways  Just mainly looking at performance during the workouts and if they can be used for recovery as well.


I use Cytomax, since you're not concerned with flavor you'll like (it not as sweet as gatorade, even if its concentrated) I usually water it down. Unfortunately Cytomax is not for recovery, it's meant to be taken pre or during workouts, I mainly used during my bike rides it can keep me hydrated for a good 40+ mile rides on two bottles. As far as recovery I use FLUID, I mix it with non-fat milk or almond milk, I've tried it with water but I had a hard time chugging it down. I hope this helps!

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Originally posted by kevinbe

Originally posted by SportzVision

Soooo last Saturday I did a local sprint tri. I was really nervous because I hadn't trained for two months. I ran three times prior to the race and suffered the sciatic pain something awful after my 3 mile run/walk. My leg hurt so bad the day before that I could not even sit at work I had to stand. Husband asked, as I was wiping the dust off my bike, if I should do this race since I was ill prepared, injured and would be taking a risk of further injury. This was something that needed to be done. I needed to know my true grt, that I had not been beaten by injury, and to not let fear stop me. Despite wanting to take the path of least resistance I assured him i would stop if the pain was "wrong" and would call him. So the goal was just to finish, no expectations, and race with a pleasant face blah blah blah.

Happy to report, though I had some pain I had no major issues during the race. Took a little time to stretch in T2, I had to keep my bike in an easy spin gear because pushing did cause pain in my glute/sciatic spot. I of course had noooo endurance on the run and walked a lot! I did not find out my time because I had to head to Lake Tahoe for a retreat for our U of Nevada ambassadors. The cold water of the Lake felt amazing on my legs by the way. Before heading to the Lake I stuck around long enough to hear the places for my age group. I did not place but I hadn't really expected to. I was disappointed because the third place winner in my age group finished with a time that was 13 minutes longer than my time from last year. Damn! I really added over 13 mins to my time?

Well it took me a week to get the courage to look at my exact time. Come to find out I took 2nd in my age group. i actually did all the events faster but because I took the time to stretch my T2 was longer! Yeah! I only added 4 mins to my time from last year! I feel so much better!

Oh and sorry i haven't been logging or on here...Students moved into the dorm last week and i had parents at my desk crying, on the phone yelling and everything in between! I am fried and fried. Also, I found a running group in my town Whooo hoo! Sciatic pain is still there I am just building slowly...but not as slowly as i thought.

Two words: Bad A$$!

Proud of you for even stepping on the starting line of the race, then having the grit and guts to go through and finish. You should be proud of yourself.

As someone who's been in many positions where people whine and cry and yell at me, You have way more patience than I do.

What's next? any racing/training left for the year, or do you just go to maintenance, or do you take time off hoping for healing with you nerve?

I have an OLY in three weeks...ran almost 10 miles the other day .....well honestly ran 6 walked 4....and I am training with a group on Tue & Thur doing running and core work...kicks my butt each time! So glad to "see" you again on here.


Hi Cynthia,

Glad you're running again, good luck with TRIrock I'm only doing the sprint.

Octavio


2013-09-06 8:40 AM
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Hey Octavio - great to see you posting again! I hope all is well with you!
2013-09-06 8:44 AM
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Happy Weekend to you all!

I'm getting ready to leave for my race tomorrow. I'm gonna stay at a friends house so the drive up to maine is not quite so long on Saturday morning. I'm excited to be participating (racing isn't the right word since I really haven't been training specifically for this race) - races are a lot of fun.

Anyone else doing anything fun this weekend?
2013-09-06 8:56 AM
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Happy Weekend to you all!

I'm getting ready to leave for my race tomorrow. I'm gonna stay at a friends house so the drive up to maine is not quite so long on Saturday morning. I'm excited to be participating (racing isn't the right word since I really haven't been training specifically for this race) - races are a lot of fun.

Anyone else doing anything fun this weekend?


Good hunting, my friend.

I'm headed to Wisconsin tonight, to volunteer at IMWI on Sunday.
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Thank you! Your registration is complete.
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Congratulations! You have now completed the first step of the registration process for the Race Ready Package – 2014 IRONMAN Wisconsin/ IRONMAN 70.3 Racine. You have paid and reserved a spot for both events.



Yay! I just signed up for an Ironman! . . . uh oh . . . I just signed up for an Ironman . . .

I'm going to go ahead and coin the term Irondread - that feeling when you realize you won't be seeing the south side of 11:00pm for the next year.
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Hey Octavio - great to see you posting again! I hope all is well with you!


Hi David,

Sorry I have not been posting, I try to keep my log up to date but sometimes I try to catch up on the thread ansd I run out of time to post. I guess I should add it to mu weekly goal uh!

I was looking at your log and boy do you put a lot of detail into it! I need to start doing that so I can get some feedback from you guys.

Congratulations on your decision to do an IM, I'll be cheering for you during your training and I hope I can pick up anything I can from your experience. Good Luck!


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Originally posted by Qua17 Happy Weekend to you all! I'm getting ready to leave for my race tomorrow. I'm gonna stay at a friends house so the drive up to maine is not quite so long on Saturday morning. I'm excited to be participating (racing isn't the right word since I really haven't been training specifically for this race) - races are a lot of fun. Anyone else doing anything fun this weekend?

Tear it up and it sounds like you are prepared for FUN!

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Originally posted by mirthfuldragon
Thank you! Your registration is complete. You will receive an email confirmation of your registration shortly. Message from the Event Director Congratulations! You have now completed the first step of the registration process for the Race Ready Package – 2014 IRONMAN Wisconsin/ IRONMAN 70.3 Racine. You have paid and reserved a spot for both events.
Yay! I just signed up for an Ironman! . . . uh oh . . . I just signed up for an Ironman . . . I'm going to go ahead and coin the term Irondread - that feeling when you realize you won't be seeing the south side of 11:00pm for the next year.

2 feelings come to mind...fear and excitement.  So cool that you are all signed up.  Now you and DQ are set to rock.  When is the 70.3?

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Sprints in the pool this morning and just got in a slow 30 min run.  It's freaking hot! 91.4 deg, heat index 105.1 deg, 64% humidity.  Got that little tid bit off the local news website.  Lots of fluids in me and feeling good.

I will now refer to my mantra....Suck it up Nancy Boy! 

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Thank you! Your registration is complete.
You will receive an email confirmation of your registration shortly.
Message from the Event Director
Congratulations! You have now completed the first step of the registration process for the Race Ready Package – 2014 IRONMAN Wisconsin/ IRONMAN 70.3 Racine. You have paid and reserved a spot for both events.



Yay! I just signed up for an Ironman! . . . uh oh . . . I just signed up for an Ironman . . .

I'm going to go ahead and coin the term Irondread - that feeling when you realize you won't be seeing the south side of 11:00pm for the next year.


Awesome!!!
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