Gun permit holders published (Page 6)

If it is in my house it is locked up! That is why I have locks on my house.

Not federally, and if you have a problem with it, then take it up with your state legislature. There there are procedures, and regulations in place for that regardless. If you feel it is too leinient, then write some letters.

Here's the deal Tony.... a mass shooting takes place and your soutions have nothing to do with stopping mass shooting. You want to ban certain types of guns, you want to regulate responsible people more. You want to fine criminals more than what they already are for breaking a law they don't care about in the first place. All you want to do is ban guns... not adress an actual problem. And banning guns won't happen, and it actually would not "stop" gun violence in America.

If anyone was serious about gun violence, they could end it overnight with the stroke of a pen. Legalize drugs and stop funding criminal organizations. You want to restrict more people from legally owning guns and stiffer punishment for breaking them... no sweat of my nose and those that live a life of crime already accept it as the price of doing business. Anyone with any violent crime conviction can't own a gun... fine by me, I'm good.

But how do we stop a crazy person from snapping and illegally obtaining weapons and go into a place and shoot up 5 year olds... well good luck. Let me know when you find a solution because so far all the things you have argued about would not have stopped SH. In the mean time, build more prisons, and leave schools unprotected for the next guy.

We have the "make my day" law in Colorado. If anyone enters your house, you can kill them no questions asked. Deadly force is authorized by them merely crossing a line. So my house is locked, I have two dogs, and criminal knows he can loose his life entering my house, he forces entry, risking his very life... but punishing me with 20 years in prison is somehow going to stop gun violence in America???

Brooklyn, I only say that becuase I beleive I read he actualy is a CC member and has a .357.  I could be wrong but one of the employees of the paper does have the CC and the gun..I think it was the Editor.  Why did I say it that way?  I guess you want to take this argument down the road of one of those published will retaliate?  Well, maybe they will, maybe not.  It may be a gun owner from another state.  It could be someone who doesn't like Editors who publish list but they may not even own a gun.  But you are niave if you think the Editor will not face reprecussions in some manner.  In fact do you think all the employees of the paper wanted their info published which has now happend?  Who caused that to happen? 

When you start down the road of publishing list, in the nature it was done, you start something that was better left alone and nothing good comes of it.  Who's next, as I said Jews (that didn't go well the first time), how about those guilty of dui in your county, how about rape victimes, how about blacks, how about known gays, how about people with aids?  You see, it's not good and I promise you nothing good happens.  Furthermore I am almost certain when the paper published this is was more about getting in the news that reporting it.  Job well done.

Tony, I know you are an intelligent man. You are funny too. And if we sat down and watched a baseball game, I bet we would get along fine.... but falsly representing what I wrote in black and white, going off on irrational rants, and calling me stupid... really does you no good trying to get your point across. If this is all you have... then pardon me if I do not agree with the laws you want to impose on me.

Officer :  "How did they steal your gun?"

Citizen:  "beats me, I guess they stole my safe too"

Later....during interrogation of Burglar

Officer: "How did you get the safe out of the house?"

Burglar: "What safe?"

And that's the end of that....virtually NO WAY to prosecute the victim of a Burlgary on the word of the burglar.

Next!!! 

Irrational rants and argument based on emotional reasoning. I never said no punishment, and I never said let them out sooner than later.... you did.

He is already punishable for having the gun. He has already attempted murder. Most states now have 3 strike laws and he is probably well into his 5th. Criminals get sentenced to 5 consecutive life sentences, and 300 years of time... sure... throw another 100 on the pile. I'm sure we will be crime free in no time.

Uh.....sorry, no you won't.

I do not put my gun in a safe when I leave the house. Nor am I going to start. That automatically makes me stupid. I am getting a rifle though and if it makes you feel better, I have thought about what I will do with that... because sitting in my closet for no reason is not a good idea, and it isn't for home defense. I might have to store it in pieces.

No, that is exactly what happens here. Nobody is charged with a crime. And MMD law specifically disallows civil suits against those that use it on an intruder. I think it is a great law. If you enter a house illegaly, you risk your life in Colorado. It's a really simple law.

Even still, I don't care if I have the authority, I still am not going to shoot somone in my house just because. They have to be attacking me or what ever... if they turn and run... I'll let them. I don't want to shoot anyone, I just want them out of my house and my family safe.... but even if I shoot them in the back running... still legal in my home in Colorado. It's a really simple law. Don't enter someone's home illegally, and you don't have to worry about dying.

See Tony, here are at least two points we can agree on, possibly for different reasons but lets look at where we agree.

1. Having your firearms locked up, this is a good idea no doubt. The two main reasons I feel this way are I don't want to come home at the same time my house is being burglarized and surprise the guy at about the same time he's found a gun "laying around". The second reason is I want to make it as time consuming and difficult as I can for someone to steal that item.

On that topic, I'm on the fence as to what laws should force me to keep them in a safe and I would be even more concerned about the wording of an actual law. If the language could be written in an acceptable manner I would be willing to trade that for having the ability to put my firearms in my backpack and ride to the range on my bike without being in fear of committing a felony.

2. I also agree that owning a firearm in of itself is a big responsibility, carrying one for self defense ups that responsibility tremendously.

Tony, I wasn't aware that felons could legally posses, own or even reside in the same household where firearms are kept. Could you expand on that.

Thanks.

Edited to fix quotes

At least in Colorado... a felon can live in a house there is a gun, if they do not own it. If they are on restrictions for such things on probation, that's on them. If they borrow a car, and the owner of the car leaves their gun in it and the felon is stopped, they will be charged with possesion as a proir offender. In Colorado, if a gun is in the home, and the felon uses the gun to save their life, or the lives of others, then they cannot be charged with a crime. If you are a gun owner, it is always a good idea to know your states gun laws. And no, I'm not a felon... but I do know some.

I had a fun conversation with my wife's cousin on Christmas eve.  When he was 16 he went to a local gun shop and bought a 20 ga. shotgun.  The guy asked him if his parents were ok with it and he said yup and he walked out with the gun.

My best friend and I used to go riding around on our bikes with our Ruger .22's strapped on our backs.  We'd go out in the fields and shoot rodents and sparrows.  Even had the DNR come up on us once and told us to make sure we don't shoot rabbits because they have a season and we were ok with everything else.  lol

My how times have changed.

Not that I want to go out of my way to help Tony prove any points, but I do have a friend who had three felonies that just got his gun rights restored about 3 months ago.  He had a felony assault, drug, and theft conviction.  They were three separate convictions but all over 15 years ago.  He owns his own business now and has a family.  He used to be into drugs and is what anyone would consider an upstanding citizen at this point in his life.

He filed for a set aside with restoration of rights (or something like that) and it was granted by a judge.

So, he now has his full rights back.  Technically I don't think you can call him a convicted felon with a gun though because his felonies were set aside.  (splitting hairs)

I do think there are cases were people who had felonies in their past should be able to get their rights back, and that's why there is a process for them.  Either through the courts with a set aside or through the politicians with a pardon felons who turn their lives around should have avenues to restore their rights.  Also, neither of these avenues are easy or cheap.  It took my friend a good couple of years.

The thug who is still actively committing felonies is not going to be applying for either of these programs.

That is not how it was for the one person I know. But I never knew that was going on, and I do not agree with it one bit. At some point I think it is good if you pay your debt and change your life and can get back some rights.... but that... NO.

Trinnas and Powerman: please see below post froma a police officer posted 14 days ago.

Responsible: Based on or characterized by good judgment or sound thinking

You are intelligent people.  Based on other posts I've seen from both of you over the years, I find it hard to believe that you really think leaving a firearm behind the locked door of house is responsible or good judgement.

Yeah, but that police officer is a "Lefty"  haha. 

I'm about as pro gun as they get and I do lean more on the side of mandating safes for gun storage.  I honestly don't know how it would/could be enforced and Left Brain gave a great example of how it could never be prosecuted.  Heck, even if there's a misdemeanor offense with a $100 fine and 3 days in jail for having your gun stolen then it would get a percentage of people to invest in safes that would help the overall theft problem.

Yes he is and probably doesn't care much for me using his words the way I did.  But I did it anyway.  It just struck me as a good example of how no one did anything "wrong", but it created a problem none the less.  One that could potentially have been much bigger.  I don't see how it could be enforced and I'm not sure much effort needs to be put on enforcement of such a restrictions.  I've always maintained that education is the key.  Teach people the repercussions and they should be able to come to the conclusions on their own.  Drill it into their heads during gun classes and it will take care of itself.

It depends. I do not disagree in any way guns should be kept safe. We disagree on what is considered "safe".

My mom in law, my wife or me is usually home. I work rotating shifts, the MIL does not work, and the wife works when ever. I have two dogs that are great guard dogs. I have had dogs pretty much 95% of my life, and no home I have ever lived in has ever been broken into... with us home or gone. EVER. It's because of the dogs, not the gun. I personally believe my gun not in a safe with 3 grown adults and two dogs and MMD law in Colorado... is perfectly safe. I'm sorry I just do. I will have another one that does not need to be used readily, and I will probably have to come up with something for that. Not sure what.