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2008-06-10 8:04 AM
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Sounds like you need to go get in the water. Even if you really really don't want to be there... if you're motivated enough to race you have to find the motivation to train. Gotta do it, bro. There's just no other way.


2008-06-10 8:36 AM
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Hey folks, good to see this is still a lively thread. I am doing ok, going thru a stressful period here at work, as our annual reviews are coming up. i really dont know how things are going to go, and it really starts wearing me down. My shrink keeps telling me to plug along, keep a positive attitude, and exude confidence. Tell ya, its tough sometimes. I am still taking my floxetine, it does seem to help, I am not near as completely wigged out as I was six or eight months ago. Life aint peachy, but most of the time it doesing f-ing suck either.

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2008-06-10 4:28 PM
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gir - I'm 48 and I've been fighting meds my whole life. What a waste. I just can't do it on my own and the meds allow me to do the things to feel better - eat right, work out etc. We try to struggle on our own, but others don't work so hard just to get through the day. Don't let yourself struggle and loss the energy and time that you could be using for fun, productive things.
I'm tired a lot, suspect it is from my many allergies. Blame antihistimine, but am more tired without them (from allergies). I've stopped blaming things on meds, if I need them I'll deal with whatever issues follow, though the ease of living that can come with them is worth it to me. I hope you find your way.

Teedie - I am often running out of meds, and man it's a . I know how you feel. Get back on ASAP!

I haven't been posting as I was in Fl with my mom. She was having some med. procedures in hospital and wanted someone with her. She is such a baby, which kills me as she was totally not there for me as a kid and now she demands my care. She is trying to make things up to me (being generous with money, apologizing etc.) but I just can't stand her. I spent days sitting in the hospital and when I'd leave at night I just had an urge to kill myself. Felt numb with a heaviness on my chest. I guess I'm holding in rage at her and I am so disconnected from my feelings.
Oh well.
She lives in a retirement community and I managed to get in some good workouts on the treadmill and exercise bike.

Meds don't do everything, but I am able to see the dysfunctional things she does and see that I do them too!!! She'll freak and through clenched teeth say "I can't stand it, I can't stand it". I told her of course you can, you have not choice. She only sees the neg. and regrets every decision she makes and blames others for her regreted choices.
I am horrified to say that I do those things. Considering how I haven't lived with her for 30 years I don't know how that happens.

I'm just really clear that I don't want to do those things and when they pop up, I have calmly told myself what I would tell her. Can't regret the past, it will pass etc. I am commited to catching myself and reprogramming my habitual unhealthy attitudes and behaviors.
2008-06-12 9:48 AM
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Hi,

I haven't been around lately. Have had the worst time of my life.

Found out that one of my brother's in law had stage 4 mouth cancer. He had surgery in April and was still in hospital when, three weeks ago, my other brother in law died suddenly of a brain aneurysm.

I am in the US and he is in the UK. I just worry so much about him. He used to be very close to his brother and now he is all alone. He can't even talk at the moment as half of his tongue was taken out because of the cancer so he is having to re learn how to speak.

I feel so bad my whole body hurts, especially my fingers and toes. I am compeltely exhausted and devastated. I can hardly walk. The weight of the world is on my shoulders at the moment.

I thought about asking for some meds but I am afraid that the side effects will affect my (non existant at the moment) training.

I was doing well with my running, things coming into place, now everything is gone.

I just want to sleep until the pain I feel goes away.

Sorry, rant over.

Best wishes to everyone on this thread.
2008-06-12 10:40 AM
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Spider - 2008-06-12 9:48 AM Hi, I haven't been around lately. Have had the worst time of my life. Found out that one of my brother's in law had stage 4 mouth cancer. He had surgery in April and was still in hospital when, three weeks ago, my other brother in law died suddenly of a brain aneurysm. I am in the US and he is in the UK. I just worry so much about him. He used to be very close to his brother and now he is all alone. He can't even talk at the moment as half of his tongue was taken out because of the cancer so he is having to re learn how to speak. I feel so bad my whole body hurts, especially my fingers and toes. I am compeltely exhausted and devastated. I can hardly walk. The weight of the world is on my shoulders at the moment. I thought about asking for some meds but I am afraid that the side effects will affect my (non existant at the moment) training. I was doing well with my running, things coming into place, now everything is gone. I just want to sleep until the pain I feel goes away. Sorry, rant over. Best wishes to everyone on this thread.

Spider,

I'm sorry for all you are going through. Believe me, I know the feeling of carrying the weight of the world. So let me ask a question. If you are avoiding meds because of the effect on training you aren't doing, why are you avoiding the meds? If you aren't training, meds can only help...right? Of all of the side effects I've had on meds, not training wasn't one of them. I've had severe reactions to all anti-d's I've been on except for Wellbutrin and Cymbalta. Neither of these have weight gain or sexual side effects. In fact, when I first got on Cymbalta, I lost weight.

It's hard to train carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders. Let the meds lighten the load. 

2008-06-12 10:46 AM
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Just a quick update, it looks like my wife is in her final stages. We don't know if we have 2 weeks or 2 months. The docs are now talking about stopping treatment and hospice. We are meeting with her primary oncologist later today to see what he says. In the Phase 1 clinical trials (absolute cutting edge meds) they have nothing else to offer. Her cancer is now in her brain, both lungs, bones, muscles, skin, pancreas and both kidneys.

I've had to tell my kids (12, 10 and 8) that their mom is dying. That is the absolute worst conversation I've ever had in my life. I can't imagine there are any that are worse.

Surprisingly, I'm doing OK. Obviously I'm hurting and reeling - but not spiraling downward. I'm training when I can. I'm signed up for 3 races (2 sprints and a half ironman) that may or may not happen now. The HIM almost surely won't since I can't get the training hrs in now because of caring for my wife and when she's gone I'm an only parent. As badly as I want the HIM, my obligations and priorities have to be elsewhere right now. 



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OH mman,


I am so sorry to hear that. You are such a great guy.

Thank you for your post. I will talk to my doctor.

I wish you and your children all the peace and strength in the world.

Don't worry about the HIM now. You will have lots of time to concentrate on them when things settle down. You are young and strong.

All the best.
2008-06-12 3:44 PM
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mman - my heart is aching for you, and tears at the thought of that conversation. I am sure that there is nothing harder, and I am sure that your children were not surprised by the news, and have been a great source of comfort to you and your wife. Kids are just built that way - they are amazingly intuitive and empathetic.

Cancer just sucks, I am sad whenever I hear of someone struggling with it. But your family seems to take that struggle and lift yourselves above it, to a place of pure love where the important stuff really matters. Hold on tight and let go gently, all in their right time. The hospice folks will be an incredible support - they are angels right here on earth.

We'll be with you in spirit, and I know you will get your HIM. If it is truly important to do it now, ask for what you need - childcare, respite, etc...and accept it as it will be given I am sure. If you decide to wait, then it will be there, and I bet that the race folks would be happy to defer your entry. Take care of you, and rest in love always and any ways.

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(((((mman)))))
You are in my thoughts. Wish there was something I could say that would lighten the load. Kids are supposed to lose their parents (not the other way around), but not this early in their lives.
At least you and your wife gave them a strong loving family for the formative years and you and the kids will continue on as a strong loving family.

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2008-06-13 3:13 PM
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mman - 2008-06-12 11:46 AM

I've had to tell my kids (12, 10 and 8) that their mom is dying. That is the absolute worst conversation I've ever had in my life. I can't imagine there are any that are worse.



Holy crap. I can't imagine myself in your shoes - don't want to try. I'll keep your family in my thoughts and prayers.

If you don't do the races you don't do the races. Your children need you now way more than you need to race now. There will be future races for you.
2008-06-16 12:02 PM
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Got in a run today. I've only been getting one workout a week in. I'm really focused on following my training plan this week. Off to a good start.
How are the rest of you all doing?

(((mman)))


2008-06-16 3:31 PM
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Checking in, haven't been on in weeks and weeks. I had a really rough patch where things started to feel like they were coming apart. My relationship with my boyfriend is essentially broken, but now is limping along. I started my new job, but along with that comes a whole new can of worms. I moved from one county to another, and its apparent to me that my new county doesn't like my old one and is taking it out on me in bits.

I tried to keep up jogging when things started going south, to try and fight off the bad feelings, but it didn't take long to just end up in bed all day. On top of all that I've gained weight back plus some, which doesn't help me or my relationship. I need to get back to exercising and training, I need to focus on something positive again.

 

Mman: It's always hard to tell someone that their loved one is dying or has died. And it is unimaginably hard being in that situation where your loved one is dying and explaining it to someone else, let alone your children. My thoughts are with you, as well as all the strength I have. I hope your family will be strong for eachother. 

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MuscleMomma - 2008-06-16 1:02 PM

Got in a run today. I've only been getting one workout a week in. I'm really focused on following my training plan this week. Off to a good start.
How are the rest of you all doing?



Glad to see you and Pepperee back! Now get out training even if it's just light jogging.

Since you asked, I've been busting and leaving bits of it on the road behind me. First tri coming up 7/13. For the first time this week I feel almost ready.
2008-06-17 11:35 AM
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Hi everyone,

(((((Mman))))) I am thinking of you and your family.


Hi,

Struggling here.


wishing everyone all the best.
2008-06-23 10:22 AM
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It was a good weekend here. How about for every one else? Check in!
2008-06-23 10:34 AM
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Hey everyone. Doing OK here. Good days and bad, but to be expected. my wife starts a new clinical trial this week, but there's really no hope of it doing anything. She's clearly going down hill, though has had a better week this past week. I am getting a job offer this week which is good. It will be hard to leave her during the day (I've been officeing from home for several years now).

I hope everyone else is doing OK.

Thought for the day: Decide what you are fighting. Are you fighting for something or against something. If you are fighting against something, it is in control. If you are fighting for something, you are in control and on the offensive. Whatever your challenges, put them on their heels by  fighting for a better life instead of fighting against your demons. The change in mindset is huge!

 



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mman and the rest of the gange - I've been thinking about you all a lot lately. Mman especially. To come here and offer us support at this place in your life is HUGE, and I am honored and grateful.

That perspective on things is something that really resonates with me. I'm going to put that into my bag of tricks. I am having a sorta down week or two, but mostly because I am working with a new type of therapy/therapist and I'm on purpose bringing some old crap into the light of day to deal with and let go of. Sort of like picking off the top of a boil. You know that a lot of gross stuff is coming out, but after that you can really heal, not just scab over.

Real healing of this crap is my vision...feels like I'm on the path.

Hope you guys are on that road, too.

Hugs!!!!!!!
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Hey mman, thinking of you guys. Hang in there.

I am still here too. Lots and lots of anxiety, which really starts turning me toward depressive thoughts. I am in limbo here: we are supposed to get our annual performance reviews at work any day now (by end of June) and I really dont know what will come down. Its real possibiltiy I may be asked to leave. Scared as hell, but fighting off the fear since I can turn it into reality. At the same time, I had an interview a couple weeks ago at another place. I felt it went well, I dont know. But, they have not made any decisions yet, so I dont know if I got the job. I dont know if no news is good news or if it means they are still looking for someone better than me for it. So i feel like I may be losing one job, but might have another in the wings, but I do not know, and at the same time I am afraid of having nothing. This makes me feel like a failure.

Anyway, thats where I am, but I am trying to focus on the now, the known and the positive, rather than obsess over the unknown and the negative. Its hard.

Hope everyone else is OK
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ChicagoMan65 - 2008-06-24 12:16 PM Hey mman, thinking of you guys. Hang in there. I am still here too. Lots and lots of anxiety, which really starts turning me toward depressive thoughts. I am in limbo here: we are supposed to get our annual performance reviews at work any day now (by end of June) and I really dont know what will come down. Its real possibiltiy I may be asked to leave. Scared as hell, but fighting off the fear since I can turn it into reality. At the same time, I had an interview a couple weeks ago at another place. I felt it went well, I dont know. But, they have not made any decisions yet, so I dont know if I got the job. I dont know if no news is good news or if it means they are still looking for someone better than me for it. So i feel like I may be losing one job, but might have another in the wings, but I do not know, and at the same time I am afraid of having nothing. This makes me feel like a failure. Anyway, thats where I am, but I am trying to focus on the now, the known and the positive, rather than obsess over the unknown and the negative. Its hard. Hope everyone else is OK

Have you called and followed up on the job? Fight for it! Make sure they know you are the man (or the ChicagoMan) for the job! I don't know what kind of position it is, but I'd recommend you follow up and make sure they know you want the job and they'd be an absolute fool to hire anyone else but you.

I understand the feeling of failure that can come from not having a job. My story is too long to tell here, but I'm an entrepreneur who's had my share of missteps. Remember that Ray Kroc talked to over 100 banks before getting the 2nd McDonalds funded. The Colonel was well past his 50s when he founded the first KFC. Donald Trump was $1 billion in debt when his empire collapsed in the early 90s. If having job struggles makes you a failure, you are in good company. The point is, just because you fail doesn't mean you're a failure. It means you tried.

Keep your chin up no matter what happens.

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You guys are all very kind. Thank you so much for the encouraging words and the support. I can't tell you what it means.

Ironically, for a man who's fought depression all of his life, I'm a fairly optomistic person. Many will ask "Do you see the glass half full or half empty?" For me the answer is Both. I can see the half full part when I work at it (usually it's less than 25% full). It's often hard. But, the half empty part isn't bad to me -- it's opportunity. Sometimes when I look at my situation, I can focus on the negative stuff - watching her die, the bills, the lonliness when she's gone, raising kids alone. I can't tell you how many times I've cried over these things. But I try to focus on other things - I won't need a huge vehicle anymore. Things that the kids and I enjoy, we can do (she's not a camper). We've learned to live more fully to enjoy every moment. And, because of all of this, we've gotten to see a great side of humanity that many don't get to see.

Gang, it's hard to see the good - especially on the bad days. But it is there. While pain and suffering are a part of life, they are not something God intended for us. On the days when you can't find one good thing, look at the one bad thing as an opportunity to get better.

I'm sure you'll have to remind me of this post at some point in the future. ;-

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mman - 2008-06-24 2:01 PM

You guys are all very kind. Thank you so much for the encouraging words and the support. I can't tell you what it means.

Ironically, for a man who's fought depression all of his life, I'm a fairly optomistic person. Many will ask "Do you see the glass half full or half empty?" For me the answer is Both. I can see the half full part when I work at it (usually it's less than 25% full). It's often hard. But, the half empty part isn't bad to me -- it's opportunity. Sometimes when I look at my situation, I can focus on the negative stuff - watching her die, the bills, the lonliness when she's gone, raising kids alone. I can't tell you how many times I've cried over these things. But I try to focus on other things - I won't need a huge vehicle anymore. Things that the kids and I enjoy, we can do (she's not a camper). We've learned to live more fully to enjoy every moment. And, because of all of this, we've gotten to see a great side of humanity that many don't get to see.

Gang, it's hard to see the good - especially on the bad days. But it is there. While pain and suffering are a part of life, they are not something God intended for us. On the days when you can't find one good thing, look at the one bad thing as an opportunity to get better.

I'm sure you'll have to remind me of this post at some point in the future. ;-

And we will do so with much love and admiration.  You are going through so much, yet you spend time bringing wisdom and a caring attitude to others.  Your wife and kids are very lucky.



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Hi!  I am new to the forum!  I have been reading this thread and I think it is awsome how supportive everyone is!  I have been in your shoes and battled anxiety/depression all my life when I look back.  The physical implications of mental illness are the most difficult for me; fatigue, laziness, hunger, and cravings.  It was also a huge issue in my marriage for many years.  The last three months I think, I have seen an amazing transformation in my mood.  In November I was diagnosed with epilepsy due to a head injury I sustained in September 2006 after about 9 months of mis-diagnosis.  Since we have found the right treatment I feel so much better and now I am training for a tri!  I never imagined I would do such a thing but it has been an excellent motivator!

So, I identify with all your struggles and I admire you all for your dedication to fitness! Keep it up!



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Hello...still here. Trying to stay even keel through anxiety prone waters. Did not get a job I interviewed for and really wanted. In limbo at current job, waiting for annual performance review which could realistically be "time for you to move on...." Pressure at home to take on a big remodelling project, while job situation is uncertain. Very anxious, fearful, worried. Trying desperately to stay in the now and not dwell on what coulda been, what might be.

Meds are helping, Ive been on prazac close to 6 months now, but it aint all peaches and cream.

Hope everyone else is OK.

mman, good thoughts for you and yours....
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ChicagoMan65 - 2008-07-02 9:00 AM Hello...still here. Trying to stay even keel through anxiety prone waters. Did not get a job I interviewed for and really wanted. In limbo at current job, waiting for annual performance review which could realistically be "time for you to move on...." Pressure at home to take on a big remodelling project, while job situation is uncertain. Very anxious, fearful, worried. Trying desperately to stay in the now and not dwell on what coulda been, what might be. Meds are helping, Ive been on prazac close to 6 months now, but it aint all peaches and cream. Hope everyone else is OK. mman, good thoughts for you and yours....

 

Hey CM,

Don't sweat the job (easy to say, hard to do). Remember that they were putting on their best face in the interview too. When you would have gotten there, I'll bet they weren't all they said they'd be. There's something else out there. Also, sadly in this marketplace, there are no "certain" job situations. Even being self employed has uncertainty.  Big companies fall. Small companies get bought. Be happy you have a job today...and never quit looking for the next one. I've owned my own company and worked for a company with 70,000 employees. Enjoyed them all but they are still just jobs.

And even if it was the perfect job. Screw em! Their loss and stupidity for not hiring you.

Just my $0.02. Keep your head high.

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Hey everyone.

Just a quick update and asking for thoughts, prayers, vibes, whatever. I brought my wife to the ER on Friday. They admitted her to the hospital and ran tests. The cancer has taken over, despite being on chemo. they are stopping treatment and sending her to hospice. we don't know if she has 2 days or 2 months, but its not long. the doctor said she might make it 2 months but that was being very generous. my gut says 1-2 weeks. she told me on Thursday that she thought she was dying. She never complains and said her fatigue is a 10 and pain is a 7 (on a scale of 1-10, 10 being worst). they are hoping I can take her home 1 more time but no guarantees. she wants to die in a hospice or hospital - not at home.

yesterday (when we found out) i had  meltdown, but regained composure pretty quickly. now i'm numb. i stayed with friends near the hospital last night. my kids are with other friends. i haven't told them yet. we are waiting to talk to a social worker and our pastor today for advice (just me or both of us, neutral location, etc.).

lots of hard days ahead. the support that i receive through bt has been phenomenal. thank you!

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