Election 2016 (Page 67)

That's the thing.....I can show you videos of Black Panthers calling for all out war during a BLM protest.  I know some of the leaders of the BLM movement....they are not Black Panthers and don't want that.  The Black Panthers have said they are part of "the movement".  No.....it's not the same. Same with "alt-right" and Nazis. 

Here's the craziest thing I have seen lately......now the ultra left (can I call them "ult-left"?) is starting to tweet that the media is normalizing Trump and they are catching hell for it.  Go figure. Same shoe, different foot.

It's nuts on both ends of the spectrum........don't go there.  The rest of us are just trying to live our lives and put a stop to the stupid......no matter what color, race, nationality, etc.  It's not easy since the loudest voices are the dumbest ones....and the ones getting the most play.

You do realize the "alt-right" term has been used for years by a lot of different groups and gradually evolved into some fringe areas.  It's like the Tea Party was pretty main stream with a lot of support from both sides when it started, but quickly was taken over by the social conservatives and got a little whacky.

I know you're just grasping at straws because Trump won, but you're out in the fringe weeds my friend.  I know the feeling, so I'm trying to help you but I hope you're not sucked in too far. 

Now that I think this through I can't believe the president would lock out the press.  It's truly unprecedented.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  Same shoe.

I'm not talking about who's invited to White House press conferences.  I'm talking about more fundamental changes -- for example, Trump has previously said he wanted to "open up" libel laws.

I know what you're saying but there does have to be some level of accountability for the press.  When they blatantly lie for the purpose of torpedoing a political candidate then they are no longer the media, they are a corporate entity libeling an individual for their own gain.  There has to be a recourse of some sort, and libel laws don't seem unreasonable.  As the left likes to say, if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. 

oh so you agree the media should be held accountable for torpedoing Hillary based on her emails, which they covered more than every thing trump did wrong combined.

You misinterpreted my post. "When they blatantly lie for the purpose of torpedoing a political candidate".  The media can absolutely destroy anyone as long as they're doing it with facts and the truth.

Hillary's email server was not a lie, and nobody in her campaign even suggested as much.  The media as a whole gave her a complete pass on the laws she broke.

HUH?!?!?!  Man......what channel are you watching???

And Dave, Hillary's base torpedoed her and nobody, including HRC paid any attention.  I told you a year ago that people were tired of being called racists,m bigots, homophobes, etc. just because they disagreed with the left's policies.  There is not a single person w ho knows me who would say those things about me, yet I (AND MANY OTHERS) had to listen to it non-stop from the Liberal base.  It cost her the election.  The funny thing is, the left learned nothing from it and had doubled down on the rhetoric since the election.  If it continues, your party is done.

I was just pointing out how ridiculous the idea of "holding them responsible" is.  Whoever is in power can say "CNN did this!"  "Fox did this!"  and then punish them.  Say goodbye to free press if this is the case.

I agree......we just need to figure out who to truly blame.....because the left is crying they torpedoed HRC and the right is whining that they are trying to sink Trump. 

Here's what REALLY needs to happen.....the news media needs to get out of the commentary business and just report the forking news in a straightforward and unbiased manner.

amen.

All valid points. It's interesting that both Trump and Clinton made disparaging remarks about each other......but only Clinton made disparaging remarks about the other candidate's supporters. (the basket of deplorables....and then went on to call them racists, homophobes, islamaphobes, etc)  REALLY dumb for someone as experienced as Clinton.

I wish Brit Abroad aka "His Royal Smugness" would come back and weigh in. 

Good posts JMK and I agree.

I've been telling people that Hillary had a plan to win and the plan was to do nothing more than attack Trump.  Apparently her and her team felt it had a better chance of winning than her trying to convince people her plan was better.

I also feel the "basket of deplorables" was a Romney'esq level mistake and I don't feel she ever really apologized for it.  It seemed as though she and a lot of her supporters more doubled down on it than walked it back.

Ultimately though I feel the true beginning of the end with her campaign was the original FBI statements by Comey (in June I think).  The polls sharply turned towards Trump at that point.  Then when you started throwing in the Wikileaks emails the whole thing masterfully played into Trumps corruption accusations.  It was pretty clear to people that she was being held to a different standard than us regular folks.

Trump had the worst political bomb I've ever seen with the Access Hollywood tape, and his polls suffered badly when it hit, but he slowly recovered back to where he was pre-tape by the end so in essence it didn't hurt.

Either way, I have to say I kind of like the path the DNC is heading down.  They seem to believe that we're all just racists and homophobes and are going to try and shame us more into voting for the Democrat next time around.  Good luck with that. 

Because he hasn't raised any eyebrows yet.  He's raising eyebrows for those that don't support him, but that's to be expected.

I've seen nothing but great picks so far and he's doing what he said he'd do to this point.  Obviously he's not president yet, but when he is I can assure you that myself and most of his other supporters will be raising a lot of heck, if he turns into another "regular politician".

Also, be aware that the media and Soros are doing everything they can to spin and discredit him as a flip flopper in the media.  If you watch the news he's backed away from every campaign promise, but it's been a lot of garbage thrown at the wall hoping something sticks.