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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ernestov - 2011-11-08 8:44 PM I never said I was leaving. C'mon!, this is just getting more interesting now. Gabe, more swim. Join a squad, preferrably one of pure swimmers. You will be in the slow lane but it doesn't matter, because you're so driven that you will move up quickly. Trust me here, you should kick your swim up to 7 or 10K a week for IMTX. E, agree that I need to bump up my swimming and also my biking soon, will look into it! Also, you almost got me hooked into trying yoga, until your final disclosure at the end about farting in front of the ladies Today: morning run 6.67 mi, 00:55:35 Total 9 Days; 08:37:34
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ernestov - 2011-11-09 9:01 AM chris2533 - 2011-11-09 7:51 AM ernestov - 2011-11-09 7:39 AM I'm getting a little tired. But I'm done for the day. I didn't want to run yesterday after swimming, but did and felt good while running (8:58 miles at a 132 heart rate). Same thing for this morning on the trainer. Legs hurt at first. Got much better later in the ride and kept the heart rate constant at 132. As for the cycling class, it is going ok. She is trying to do heart rate training, but my weak link is not my heart. My legs give out well before my heart rate gets too high. (and they give out well before the guys with tree trunk legs in the class). But the class can't hurt. If I go from zero to about 2.5 hours per week on the bike, I have to be building those muscles, although I don't really see it yet. chris2533 - 2011-11-09 7:27 AM You're gonna be hard to catch (and Mark is right behind you), but we'll all try. How do you feel? Fitter? Is the spin class paying off?ernestov - 2011-11-08 9:44 PM Ernesto, I didn't actually think you were leaving. I was just making trouble. Today: 1 h (and 1 second!) bike trainer ride. Total: 9 days. 11:10:19I never said I was leaving. C'mon!, this is just getting more interesting now. Bingo! One more time right on the money. One has to differentiate between cardiovascular fitness (you have a LOT) and muscular fitness (which for cycling you don't have much of). The good thing is that the latter is easier to attain. I'm pretty confident that you will be MUCH faster on the bike if you keep training through the winter. On a different note, make sure you give yourself recovery time. If you feel tired, just do a thirty minute spin, run or swim at an easy pace. It will give me a chance to catch up too! jk... The volume is great but the biggest effect comes from adaptation to frequency which will not happen on tired muscles. EV, I am big a spinner. Thats how I took my baby steps (exactly 12months ago) for the sport. Are you saying, spin works more on the cardiovascular or muscle? I always felt that spinning built my anaerobic fitness whereas actual riding built my quads and calves. Or is it working other way? Edited by ironbaby 2011-11-09 4:21 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Day 9, run after work (6 miles in 47'41") total is 8:11'58". Small potatoes for some people in the thread though! Tomorrow we'll be a third of the way in the challenge. I've never seen your logs so updated! Edited by ernestov 2011-11-09 7:48 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ironbaby - 2011-11-09 4:20 PM You have to separate muscle fitness from cardiovascular fitness, and in muscular fitness there's a division in three classes of fibers A (anaerobic or slow twitch), B (white fibers or fast twitch) and C (adaptable fibers). All workouts recruit ALL types of fibers, but in different proportions.ernestov - 2011-11-09 9:01 AM chris2533 - 2011-11-09 7:51 AM ernestov - 2011-11-09 7:39 AM I'm getting a little tired. But I'm done for the day. I didn't want to run yesterday after swimming, but did and felt good while running (8:58 miles at a 132 heart rate). Same thing for this morning on the trainer. Legs hurt at first. Got much better later in the ride and kept the heart rate constant at 132. As for the cycling class, it is going ok. She is trying to do heart rate training, but my weak link is not my heart. My legs give out well before my heart rate gets too high. (and they give out well before the guys with tree trunk legs in the class). But the class can't hurt. If I go from zero to about 2.5 hours per week on the bike, I have to be building those muscles, although I don't really see it yet. chris2533 - 2011-11-09 7:27 AM You're gonna be hard to catch (and Mark is right behind you), but we'll all try. How do you feel? Fitter? Is the spin class paying off?ernestov - 2011-11-08 9:44 PM Ernesto, I didn't actually think you were leaving. I was just making trouble. Today: 1 h (and 1 second!) bike trainer ride. Total: 9 days. 11:10:19I never said I was leaving. C'mon!, this is just getting more interesting now. Bingo! One more time right on the money. One has to differentiate between cardiovascular fitness (you have a LOT) and muscular fitness (which for cycling you don't have much of). The good thing is that the latter is easier to attain. I'm pretty confident that you will be MUCH faster on the bike if you keep training through the winter. On a different note, make sure you give yourself recovery time. If you feel tired, just do a thirty minute spin, run or swim at an easy pace. It will give me a chance to catch up too! jk... The volume is great but the biggest effect comes from adaptation to frequency which will not happen on tired muscles. EV, I am big a spinner. Thats how I took my baby steps (exactly 12months ago) for the sport. Are you saying, spin works more on the cardiovascular or muscle? I always felt that spinning built my anaerobic fitness whereas actual riding built my quads and calves. Or is it working other way? A spin class is definetely a fast twitch, high end workout that develops both cardiovascular and muscular fitness. A Saturday long easy ride develops both cardio and aerobic endurance, as well as fat glycolisis. To put it simple, white (anaerobic) fibers can work really hard for very short periods and slow twitch fibers (red or aerobic) can work for incredibly long periods at a lower intensity. Adaptable fibers are a whole different chapter but that is way lenghtier to explain. But to make it simple the C kind of fibers are the key between being an average athlete or an elite one. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Chris, Your cycling cadence is very steady but somewhat low as evidenced by your workout today. Aim for a higher average, the strenght will come alone without you calling for it. The strenght without the neuromuscular training will not translate to speed on race day, and even though there is no magic number for cadence, nobody should do less than 90RPM, some pros spin at 105 all the time like Lance Armstrong, pretty much the guy that invented high cadence and not smashing gears. There's not one pro at the Grand Tours nowadays that doesn't have a high turnover. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Chris: I'm interested in what type of cycling class you are doing? Looks like you are using your own bike with I assume a Garmin sensor for speed and cadence? Do you have to provide your own trainer as well? If I go to a class its typically at Life Time Fitness - I wish they would get spin bikes that gave speed/cadence/power, etc. I think I understand the reasons they don't but it doesn't stop me from wishing. That's why I've started doing much more on my trainer in the basement - I just got a secondhand wheel from my local bike shop and am going to get the cassette installed on it tonight so that I have a wheel just from my trainer tire and then a wheel I can swap for riding outside. -Mitch |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ernesto: You mentioned you used to run in Adrenalines. Those are the shoes I have ran in since I started running in 2007. Were you a moderate pronator? Just gauging my feet against someone who has transitioned to a more minimal shoes. I have a slightly flat left foot and that is the foot that pronates the most. I know you addressed the transition process - do you recall how long it took you? Mitch |
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![]() | ![]() ernestov - 2011-11-09 8:32 PM Chris, Your cycling cadence is very steady but somewhat low as evidenced by your workout today. Aim for a higher average, the strenght will come alone without you calling for it. The strenght without the neuromuscular training will not translate to speed on race day, and even though there is no magic number for cadence, nobody should do less than 90RPM, some pros spin at 105 all the time like Lance Armstrong, pretty much the guy that invented high cadence and not smashing gears. There's not one pro at the Grand Tours nowadays that doesn't have a high turnover. Ernesto, I wasn't doing lower cadence (79 rpm) because I was trying to muscle through the workout, but instead because I was taking it easy. I do the same thing on my runs. That is, if I'm running marathon pace or faster, I definitely get the feet going at 180 steps per minute (for some reason when talking feet everything is doubled because you count both feet) or faster. But if I'm running slower, say 9 or 9:30 miles, the foot pace slows down. Of course, for the bike, if I want to take it easy, I could still do 90 rpm or faster, but just shift to an easier gear. I will try that next time. BTW, I have always in my head the best song for 180 beats per minute. Sorry if there is an ad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEmJ-VWPDM4 2nd BTW. I've heard the same thing about cadence and swimming. The fast guys just get more strokes in. |
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![]() | ![]() dangremond - 2011-11-10 7:32 AM Chris: I'm interested in what type of cycling class you are doing? Looks like you are using your own bike with I assume a Garmin sensor for speed and cadence? Do you have to provide your own trainer as well? If I go to a class its typically at Life Time Fitness - I wish they would get spin bikes that gave speed/cadence/power, etc. I think I understand the reasons they don't but it doesn't stop me from wishing. That's why I've started doing much more on my trainer in the basement - I just got a secondhand wheel from my local bike shop and am going to get the cassette installed on it tonight so that I have a wheel just from my trainer tire and then a wheel I can swap for riding outside. -Mitch My class is at the bike shop I bought my bike. My bike, their trainer. They would even let me store the bike there if I wanted, but I bring it home so I can use my trainer in the basement the rest of the week. The data is coming from my Garmin 305 with a cadence sensor on the bike. I bought the bike mount for the garmin (like a little virtual wrist) and put it in between my aero bars. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() chris2533 - 2011-11-10 7:39 AM dangremond - 2011-11-10 7:32 AM My class is at the bike shop I bought my bike. My bike, their trainer. They would even let me store the bike there if I wanted, but I bring it home so I can use my trainer in the basement the rest of the week. The data is coming from my Garmin 305 with a cadence sensor on the bike. I bought the bike mount for the garmin (like a little virtual wrist) and put it in between my aero bars. Chris: I'm interested in what type of cycling class you are doing? Looks like you are using your own bike with I assume a Garmin sensor for speed and cadence? Do you have to provide your own trainer as well? If I go to a class its typically at Life Time Fitness - I wish they would get spin bikes that gave speed/cadence/power, etc. I think I understand the reasons they don't but it doesn't stop me from wishing. That's why I've started doing much more on my trainer in the basement - I just got a secondhand wheel from my local bike shop and am going to get the cassette installed on it tonight so that I have a wheel just from my trainer tire and then a wheel I can swap for riding outside. -Mitch Nice - that's awesome. Always easier to work with a group - those solo trainer rides in the basement can be tough - especially on the hard workouts. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dangremond - 2011-11-10 7:34 AM I started with a pair of Newtons Distancia and it took about three months and a lot of shin pain.Ernesto: You mentioned you used to run in Adrenalines. Those are the shoes I have ran in since I started running in 2007. Were you a moderate pronator? Just gauging my feet against someone who has transitioned to a more minimal shoes. I have a slightly flat left foot and that is the foot that pronates the most. I know you addressed the transition process - do you recall how long it took you? Mitch |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Chris, At this point, it is better to go an easier gear and higher RPM. Like I said, neuromuscular connections need to be developed before the strenght. Strenght is nothing, if it was important for us endurance athletes all those dudes that can squat 600 lbs could beat us on a bike, but they can't. Connections first, speed later. Your brain has to get used to firing those muscles at a higher range. Later in the early spring you can start doing high power training, combined with your rapid turnover it will make you WAY faster. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Chris and anyone else, I also use my Garmin 305 with the cadence sensor while riding indoors and the HR/Cadence data works fine. However, I am at a loss as to why does it report a significantly lower distance vs. riding outside during the same period of time - any ideas?
Day 10: Indoor bike; 18 miles; 01:00:00 Totals: 10 Days; 09:37:34 |
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![]() | ![]() sirgab - 2011-11-10 10:16 AM Chris and anyone else, I also use my Garmin 305 with the cadence sensor while riding indoors and the HR/Cadence data works fine. However, I am at a loss as to why does it report a significantly lower distance vs. riding outside during the same period of time - any ideas?
Day 10: Indoor bike; 18 miles; 01:00:00 Totals: 10 Days; 09:37:34 My cycling teacher comes right out and says that 17 mph on the trainer is more like 20 mph on the road. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() sirgab - 2011-11-10 10:16 AM Make sure the wheel size in your Garmin settings correlates with the real size (which I believe is 700-23 in your case). The actual speed may be less because the trainer is harder than the road. Pushing 18 mph on the trainer is a big workout.Chris and anyone else, I also use my Garmin 305 with the cadence sensor while riding indoors and the HR/Cadence data works fine. However, I am at a loss as to why does it report a significantly lower distance vs. riding outside during the same period of time - any ideas?
Day 10: Indoor bike; 18 miles; 01:00:00 Totals: 10 Days; 09:37:34 I got tired of all that and I'm getting a Computrainer, which should be arriving soon. It is expensive, but the course videos, the real resistance (it modifies it according to actual data obtained from the terrain) and the real speed make it worth every penny. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ernestov - 2011-11-10 1:17 PM sirgab - 2011-11-10 10:16 AM Make sure the wheel size in your Garmin settings correlates with the real size (which I believe is 700-23 in your case). The actual speed may be less because the trainer is harder than the road. Pushing 18 mph on the trainer is a big workout.Chris and anyone else, I also use my Garmin 305 with the cadence sensor while riding indoors and the HR/Cadence data works fine. However, I am at a loss as to why does it report a significantly lower distance vs. riding outside during the same period of time - any ideas?
Day 10: Indoor bike; 18 miles; 01:00:00 Totals: 10 Days; 09:37:34 I got tired of all that and I'm getting a Computrainer, which should be arriving soon. It is expensive, but the course videos, the real resistance (it modifies it according to actual data obtained from the terrain) and the real speed make it worth every penny. Ah...this is what makes triathlon sooo much fun and frustrating at the same time - the need/want to buy "toys". My daughters (and wife) laugh as I drool over bikes or as I look at wetsuits (still need to buy one) or lust after the latest electronics. But, that being said I am lucky because my wife gets it that my passion (while obsessive at times) results in good health, a stress outlet, and active lifestyle model for my girls. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() dangremond - 2011-11-10 2:13 PM I like to think about it as money that I will not spend in medical treatments later on in life. That plus all the other benefits... It keeps me sharp, energetic and positive almost all the time. The last few years I went through so much turmoil in all life aspects that I think triathlon is what kept my sanity.ernestov - 2011-11-10 1:17 PM sirgab - 2011-11-10 10:16 AM Make sure the wheel size in your Garmin settings correlates with the real size (which I believe is 700-23 in your case). The actual speed may be less because the trainer is harder than the road. Pushing 18 mph on the trainer is a big workout.Chris and anyone else, I also use my Garmin 305 with the cadence sensor while riding indoors and the HR/Cadence data works fine. However, I am at a loss as to why does it report a significantly lower distance vs. riding outside during the same period of time - any ideas?
Day 10: Indoor bike; 18 miles; 01:00:00 Totals: 10 Days; 09:37:34 I got tired of all that and I'm getting a Computrainer, which should be arriving soon. It is expensive, but the course videos, the real resistance (it modifies it according to actual data obtained from the terrain) and the real speed make it worth every penny. Ah...this is what makes triathlon sooo much fun and frustrating at the same time - the need/want to buy "toys". My daughters (and wife) laugh as I drool over bikes or as I look at wetsuits (still need to buy one) or lust after the latest electronics. But, that being said I am lucky because my wife gets it that my passion (while obsessive at times) results in good health, a stress outlet, and active lifestyle model for my girls. Many people I know say that they cannot believe all the stress I can handle, this is my secret. |
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![]() | ![]() Today: Swim 32:50, Run 37:09 Total: 10 days, 12:20:18 |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Here's the tally for the group: Mark 11 days (one day ahead, cheater) 12:44'30" Chris 10 days 12:20'18" Gabe 10 days 9:37'34" Jackie 10 days 9:16'54" Me 10 days 8:51'10" Barry 10 days 8:34'42" Mitch 10 days 7:44'58" Jennie (?) Aki (?) So at least we know that seven of us are firm and commited to the challenge, today we're a third of the way into it. Some of you may be starting to notice certain positive changes. Edited by ernestov 2011-11-11 7:12 AM |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ernesto congrats on the florida ironman perhaps i can come and see you race. im in pensacola, not to far away caint believe it sold out in 16 min>
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ernestov - 2011-11-10 3:56 PM dangremond - 2011-11-10 2:13 PM I like to think about it as money that I will not spend in medical treatments later on in life. That plus all the other benefits... It keeps me sharp, energetic and positive almost all the time. The last few years I went through so much turmoil in all life aspects that I think triathlon is what kept my sanity.ernestov - 2011-11-10 1:17 PM sirgab - 2011-11-10 10:16 AM Make sure the wheel size in your Garmin settings correlates with the real size (which I believe is 700-23 in your case). The actual speed may be less because the trainer is harder than the road. Pushing 18 mph on the trainer is a big workout.Chris and anyone else, I also use my Garmin 305 with the cadence sensor while riding indoors and the HR/Cadence data works fine. However, I am at a loss as to why does it report a significantly lower distance vs. riding outside during the same period of time - any ideas?
Day 10: Indoor bike; 18 miles; 01:00:00 Totals: 10 Days; 09:37:34 I got tired of all that and I'm getting a Computrainer, which should be arriving soon. It is expensive, but the course videos, the real resistance (it modifies it according to actual data obtained from the terrain) and the real speed make it worth every penny. Ah...this is what makes triathlon sooo much fun and frustrating at the same time - the need/want to buy "toys". My daughters (and wife) laugh as I drool over bikes or as I look at wetsuits (still need to buy one) or lust after the latest electronics. But, that being said I am lucky because my wife gets it that my passion (while obsessive at times) results in good health, a stress outlet, and active lifestyle model for my girls. Many people I know say that they cannot believe all the stress I can handle, this is my secret. Precisely why I exercise after work, to let go of the stress of the day! Day 10, 59:46 ran 5 miles Total, 8:34:42 |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() 10 days down 9:16:54. Yes, I'm noticing that I'm not as tired as I thought I would be without rest days. Chris, On your question about 3 separate run workouts. One time I noticed that Ernesto did that, so I thought that was what I was supposed to do. Especially since I walk for 15 min before and after the actual running part. I just figured out the lap button a few days before you asked about it. |
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