Election 2016 (Page 69)

I was originally opposed to the recounts; you lost, get over it.  But now that Trump has declared millions of people voted illegally and there's serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire, and California, clearly we need a full recount. Every state, every county. Shoot, let's just throw out the first election entirely and all vote again. LOL

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!  I knew the left would somehow blame republicans......you can't help yourselves. 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!  I knew the left would somehow blame republicans......you can't help yourselves. 

Maybe I should have used a sarcasm font?

Seriously, you don't find the humor and hypocrisy in all of this? Of course the recounts are a joke. But ffs, both sides are now claiming massive voter fraud.

Go back a few weeks and you'll see conservatives worrying about electronic voting without a paper backup, Trump saying the election is rigged and he wouldn't accept the results if he loses, people posting videos of electronic votes for Trump that were automatically switching to Clinton, and the whole time liberals were saying there's absolutely no voter fraud. Then all of a sudden Trump wins, the left claims voter fraud with electronic voting and want the paper backups checked, Trump and conservatives say we must accept the results and move on.

Meanwhile, since the left is clinging to this theory that Hillary should be president because she won the popular vote (even though they're flat out wrong because that's not the system we have), Trump is now proclaiming there were millions of illegal votes. Millions. 

Someone needs to tell Jill Stein to shut up and accept that Trump won the swing states. Hillary needed to step up and say she disavowed the recounts. Someone also needs to tell Trump to shut up and admit he lost the popular vote, he still gets to be president. But screw it, if both sides think there was massive cheating then I fully support throwing out the election results and starting over. Preferably with two new candidates!

I was originally opposed to the recounts; you lost, get over it.  But now that Trump has declared millions of people voted illegally and there's serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire, and California, clearly we need a full recount. Every state, every county. Shoot, let's just throw out the first election entirely and all vote again. LOL

The Democrats really don't want that to happen.  I feel pretty confident that there were several million illegals that voted in states like Florida and California.  It is becoming pretty obvious what the strategy was with illegal immigration from a DNC standpoint which is to make it so anyone with a pulse can vote (no ID's or verification) and then get as many dependent people as possible into the country.  It's pretty disgusting when you really think about it.

Before you call me a conspiracy theorist, Obama himself was actively encouraging illegals to vote prior to the election because it makes them "American" and that there would be no legal ramifications.

The recent talking point that you mention is pretty funny when it comes to justification for Clinton meddling in the election.  I know you're being somewhat tongue in cheek, but the liberal elites are dead serious.  The irony of this whole thing IMHO, is that any semblance of leniency Trump had towards Clinton post election is likely gone now and this will ultimately land her in jail.  #oops

No he didn't. You're buying in to one of the fake news story that you guys spent all Thanksgiving weekend bashing. Only it came from Fox News instead of CNN. Obama did an interview where he was talking about legal Latino voters being scared to vote because they're afraid of retribution for their illegal friends and family. Neil Cavuto cut short the president's answer to make it sound like he was saying illegals should vote. Here's the full interview, with the illegal voting issue staring at 3:30. Here is what Cavuto aired. Conveniently cutting out Obama's very next sentence of "If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote." He followed that up by saying Latinos need to vote because "You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote."

That is not encouraging illegals to vote, it's encouraging Latinos to vote in order to help their illegal friends. But it absolutely was fear-mongering on Cavuto's part.

you crack me up Bob.  Did you watch the video you just linked? 
I haven't even watched the Fox segment you're referring to and saw the raw youtube you linked.
Her exact question:
"Many of the Millennials, dreamers, undocumented citizens, and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country are fearful of voting.  So, if I vote will immigration know where I live, will they come for our family and deport us"

Obama's exact response:
"Not True, the reason is, first of all.  When you vote you are a citizen yourself and there is not a situation where the voting rolls are somehow transferred over and people start investigating and etc.  The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for.  If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, you have an even greater reason to vote. "

At the most, you can assert that Obama is an idiot and thought she asked a question about people with illegal family members, but it was quite clear what she asked and what Obama said in response.
Your response of: "Obama did an interview where he was talking about legal Latino voters being scared to vote because they're afraid of retribution for their illegal friends and family." is spin at it's finest.

I don't now about voting laws in any state but my own......but I've dealt with quite a few "illegals" from Mexico.  They have ID's (usually in a name other than theirs), pay taxes, pay rent , and live among us pretty much minding their own business until/unless they get in trouble with the law.  The majority, like all majorities of any race/ethnicity, never get in trouble so it never comes up.  I would think it would be relatively easy for them to vote if they wanted to.

Spin at it's finest. Sigh. Here is his entire answer.

"Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote."

"And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard."

So where in all of that does he tell illegal aliens to go out and vote? The second sentence, which was directed at the interviewer who is also a citizen? If you listen to his entire answer, he twice says go vote and be the voice of people who can't legally vote. Why would people who can't legally vote have to count on you to make your voice heard if they're already voting by the millions? LMAO!

The irony of this whole thing IMHO, is that any semblance of leniency Trump had towards Clinton post election is likely gone now and this will ultimately land her in jail.  #oops

Spin at it's finest. Sigh. Here is his entire answer.

"Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote."

"And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard."

So where in all of that does he tell illegal aliens to go out and vote? The second sentence, which was directed at the interviewer who is also a citizen? If you listen to his entire answer, he twice says go vote and be the voice of people who can't legally vote. Why would people who can't legally vote have to count on you to make your voice heard if they're already voting by the millions? LMAO!

So now we jail our political opponents for daring to do something that makes us unhappy? Awesome, That sounds like a great way to make American great again!!

So now we jail our political opponents for daring to do something that makes us unhappy? Awesome, That sounds like a great way to make American great again!!

If she didn't do anything wrong, then she has nothing to worry about.  However, you and I both know that she DID break the law so it's pretty obvious that she will go to jail if Trump decides to not hold back his justice department.  This is a far cry from the faux outrage of "jailing political opponents"

Uh, no. No I don't know (and I've done a lot of digging and reading through wikileaks and everything else, so it's not for lack of research). And neither do any of the people who have investigated her in the past, and failed to put her in jail.

To me, this type of witch hunt is a waste - "Hey, let's investigate Hillary Clinton AGAIN for millions and millions of dollars!!!" It's a total waste of time and energy, and our president elect should be putting his energy into being a successful president, and not carrying out some sort of vendetta against his political opponent.

I would rather see Donald Trump focusing on filling his cabinet with quality people, and educating himself on intricate foreign policy and environmental issues during this time period. While I understand he was voted in precisely because he is anti-establishment, the fact that he has no political experience does mean that he has a lot to learn to prepare for his imminent inauguration, and I would hope he is taking this seriously instead of assuming he can delegate the entire job to his cabinet and vice president. It's hard to feel positive about the pending presidency when our president-elect insists on tweeting something inane in response to every small thing that offends him. It's embarrassingly unprofessional. Or course, I don't expect you to understand this, since you apparently view him as the greatest thing to ever happen to this country. 

Why do you keep conveniently omitting the question that was asked to him?  Did she ask him about illegals voting or did she ask him about people who have illegal family members?
Let me help you, she specifically and unambiguously asked him about people who are in this country illegally voting and he then answered her question.

See what he did there? That's slick. Smooth as butter. You don't have to like the man or his presidency, but there's no denying that he can rope-a-dope his way through an interview.  

Uh, no. No I don't know (and I've done a lot of digging and reading through wikileaks and everything else, so it's not for lack of research). And neither do any of the people who have investigated her in the past, and failed to put her in jail.

To me, this type of witch hunt is a waste - "Hey, let's investigate Hillary Clinton AGAIN for millions and millions of dollars!!!" It's a total waste of time and energy, and our president elect should be putting his energy into being a successful president, and not carrying out some sort of vendetta against his political opponent.

I would rather see Donald Trump focusing on filling his cabinet with quality people, and educating himself on intricate foreign policy and environmental issues during this time period. While I understand he was voted in precisely because he is anti-establishment, the fact that he has no political experience does mean that he has a lot to learn to prepare for his imminent inauguration, and I would hope he is taking this seriously instead of assuming he can delegate the entire job to his cabinet and vice president. It's hard to feel positive about the pending presidency when our president-elect insists on tweeting something inane in response to every small thing that offends him. It's embarrassingly unprofessional. Or course, I don't expect you to understand this, since you apparently view him as the greatest thing to ever happen to this country. 

And that right there is why I voted for Trump.  I've had about all the "slick" I can handle.

No, she lead in to a question with some rambling sentence, then asked a question about herself. And Obama directed his answer to her. Because he's a polished politician with a silver tongue. 

"Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?"   "Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself."

See what he did there? That's slick. Smooth as butter. You don't have to like the man or his presidency, but there's no denying that he can rope-a-dope his way through an interview.  

And yes, I see how conservatives can cherry pick her saying that undocumented citizens are citizens with him saying when you vote you're a citizen, then screaming that he wants illegals to vote. I can also cherry pick a hundred different Trump statements taken out of context. Did Trump really say veterans with PTSD are weak? No, but I can selectively quote him to strongly imply that he did.

It's why I voted for Johnson. Hillary danced around the truth with her constant lying. Trump un-apologetically punches you in the face with his constant lies. Gary was a dopey, honest guy. Allepo? WTF is that? Ahh shoot, I should have known that. When do you ever see a politician apologize for not knowing something? 

It's why I voted for Johnson. Hillary danced around the truth with her constant lying. Trump un-apologetically punches you in the face with his constant lies. Gary was a dopey, honest guy. Allepo? WTF is that? Ahh shoot, I should have known that. When do you ever see a politician apologize for not knowing something?